Episode #38 – Mixed bag of California red wines

April 26, 2006

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2004 Bad Fish Pinot Noir Reserve

Bogle Cabernet Sauvignon

2002 Lunada Cabernet – Merlot Sonoma County

2003 Franciscan Cabernet Sauvignon

2003 Girard Petite Syrah

Today Gary vaynerchuk tastes through 5 different red wines from California. Watch as Gary spits through 1 Pinot Noir,2 Cabernets,1 meritage and a Petite Sirah.

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  1. April 27, 2006

    Julius

    In response to Rich S, I agree that the scoring system is sometimes treated with too much attention. But when it is used it should match the description of the wine, including its recommendation. In more than one instance Gary has described a wine is falling short, having flaws, would not recommend it and yet he gives it a score that he himself has indicated represents a very good or above average wine. I would rather it not even be given a number.

  2. April 27, 2006

    Rich S

    I agree with Gary in that people take scores way too seriously. The first thing you have to understand about “scoring” wines is that it is a totally subjective process. What 1 person thinks is a great wine or a 90+ point effort, may not be enjoyed at all by someone else who does not feel the same way and thus would “score” it lower.

    I think the whole point of WLTV is too disseminate information out there about wines that the average person probably has never tried or even heard of and to that Gary is doing a great job. I will admit, I do enjoy the scoring episodes too but just because Gary thinks a wine is spectacular, I may not like it, and vice-versa. I just tend to buy what I like and what I know is good while also trying new wines that fit that same sort of profile.

    Keep up the good work Gary!

  3. April 27, 2006

    Julius

    I am also somewhat confused by your scoring system. here is how Wine Spectator defines their scores:

    95-100 – Classic; a great wine
    90-94 – Outstanding: a wine of superior character and style
    85-89 – Very good; a wine with special qualities
    80-84 – Good: a solid, well-made wine
    75-79 – Mediocre; a drinkable wine that may have minor flaws
    50-74 – Not recommended

    Your describe a wine as mediocre yet give it a score that equates to a WS very good wine with special qualities. In fact, many of the WS recommended “best buys” and “smart buys” are ine the mid to upper 80’s but you will pan a wine and give it a similar score. You also, in a previous show, described your score ranges omitting a “good” range.

  4. April 27, 2006

    garyv

    Steve thanx for the comments the scores that i ended the shows with are the final scores I know what i said when I was tasting. BUT to be honest scores are just a range, I think people take scores to far …meanin an 89 sells slowly but it wold have sold out in seconds had it been a 90. I try to let you know what I think through my tasting notes.

    “the range between wines you don’t really like and ones you rave about is so slim, there is no meaningful correspondence between scores and commentary.”- I will look at that and try to do a better job, sorry man!

  5. April 27, 2006

    Steve

    Your scoring is perplexing. Bogle gets 87 and 85. Franciscan gets 88 and 87. But more than that, the range between wines you don’t really like and ones you rave about is so slim, there is no meaningful correspondence between scores and commentary.

  6. April 27, 2006

    garyv

    Kids- I see most Petite Sirah’s lasting for 5-7 years easy, as for this monster Girard,10-20 easy!

  7. April 27, 2006

    Doulgas

    Agree with the Girard, a great wine. The reason why i don’t like many PS is that the palette dosn’t deliver what the nose suggests. some of them tend to be a bit lean

  8. April 27, 2006

    kidseyemd

    Hey Gary,

    Would u comment on how u think the Girard P S will age. My experience suggests many petite sirahs of higher caliber will go 5-10 years (at least). Thanks

    Hugh

  9. April 27, 2006

    lizv

    i too am a wltv fanatic! i might legitimately be your biggest fan. i loved this episode. once again educational & interesting while being completely entertaining. keep up the great work! i think everyone would agree that we appreciate how you are incorporating all the comments & emails while still maintaining your fresh style!

  10. April 26, 2006

    scotty

    Gary,
    Tonight’s show and format were great. It might be interesting to use this same format with older wines,(in the 6 yr & older group), that may have went under the radar upon release, but have come into their own.

  11. April 26, 2006

    Bob

    Gary,

    I’m a Wine TV fanatic! So when do you get your own show of the Food Network? I’m still catching up on your back catalog of shows. I’m in South Jersey by Philly and I’m considering a road trip to the Wine Library (maybe when the price of gas drops a bit, so I can buy more wine of course ;-)

    In one of your shows you described the new Wine Room, do you keep all of your wines at 55 degrees?

    Keep up the great work! Truly educational for a budding oenophile.

    Peace, Bob

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