EP 52 Episode #52 – 2005 Bordeaux update, where is the market going?

2005 Chateau Beychevelle

2005 Chateau Brainaire Ducru

2005 Chateau Branon

Today Gary vaynerchuk updates the world where the 2005 Bordeaux Market has gone. What will happen with pape Clement, Pavie, Haut Brion, Mouton, Petrus, Latour, Troplong Mondot, Clinet, Branon and others go? Gary is also tasting 4 great Bordeaux, lets see his reaction to them.

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Do you ever think to yourself, “Self, you are have ’05 Bordeaux barrel samples: Your job is amazing.”

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  • GeneV

    Gary, this vintage makes more sense for you, because when these wines become truly enjoyable, you will be around my age. For comparision, I have shelf of ’96 Pichon-Barons in my cellar which are no where near ready, and ’96 is not said to be as big or tannic as ’05. For me, at 50+, I’m not so sure many of the grand cru ’05s will be ready while I’m still healthy, happy and vertical. I’ve limited my futures play in ’05 to the bottom of the food chain.

  • GeneV

    Gary, this vintage makes more sense for you, because when these wines become truly enjoyable, you will be around my age. For comparision, I have shelf of ’96 Pichon-Barons in my cellar which are no where near ready, and ’96 is not said to be as big or tannic as ’05. For me, at 50+, I’m not so sure many of the grand cru ’05s will be ready while I’m still healthy, happy and vertical. I’ve limited my futures play in ’05 to the bottom of the food chain.

  • http://angoulvant.net/sblog/ Stéphane

    With summer coming, how about an episode on rosé?

  • http://angoulvant.net/sblog/ Stéphane

    With summer coming, how about an episode on rosé?

  • http://www.halcyn.com/ Marc

    Great show again Gary. I enjoy your intensity over this ’05 craze.
    Question…I was told 8 years ago when I first became an oenophile and have heard it a few times since to not rinse your wine glass when tasting to not damage or effect the wine with the water that inevitably remains in the glass. You do not feel this way I guess but do you feel that it is a wives tale?
    Second…Wine Library is the greatest online/call in wine vendor I have found. I recommend you guys to many of my clients, friends, and family. Your prices are consistently lower (even if only a couple of dollars) and your sales staff is doing a wonderful job when I call in to purchase less than a case of the ’05 futures.
    Third…I hope you gave that guy that was hunting you down in this WLTV episode a big thumbs up and a “way to go pal” after you stopped filming!!!
    Keep up the good work.

  • http://www.halcyn.com Marc

    Great show again Gary. I enjoy your intensity over this ’05 craze.
    Question…I was told 8 years ago when I first became an oenophile and have heard it a few times since to not rinse your wine glass when tasting to not damage or effect the wine with the water that inevitably remains in the glass. You do not feel this way I guess but do you feel that it is a wives tale?
    Second…Wine Library is the greatest online/call in wine vendor I have found. I recommend you guys to many of my clients, friends, and family. Your prices are consistently lower (even if only a couple of dollars) and your sales staff is doing a wonderful job when I call in to purchase less than a case of the ’05 futures.
    Third…I hope you gave that guy that was hunting you down in this WLTV episode a big thumbs up and a “way to go pal” after you stopped filming!!!
    Keep up the good work.

  • Julius

    To answer Marc, the amount of wine that Gary is pouring into his glass is more than enough to eliminate any “watering” effect of the rinse. Otherwise, the method commonly used is to pour out the old wine and rinse the glass with a small amount of the next wine to be tasted.

    As for what GeneV said, I agree. I purchase and collect wine to consume and enjoy, not to buy and sell for profit (or leave to my estate). And since I just hit 60, buying 1st or 2nd growth 2005 futures might be more beneficial for my kids than me, especially those that would require 1-2 decades to really hit their stride. So selecting what wines to buy is not only a question of economics but it would be a great help (to me and I’m sure also to GeneV) to know which producers are making their wines in a style that would be very enjoyable in their youth.

  • Julius

    To answer Marc, the amount of wine that Gary is pouring into his glass is more than enough to eliminate any “watering” effect of the rinse. Otherwise, the method commonly used is to pour out the old wine and rinse the glass with a small amount of the next wine to be tasted.

    As for what GeneV said, I agree. I purchase and collect wine to consume and enjoy, not to buy and sell for profit (or leave to my estate). And since I just hit 60, buying 1st or 2nd growth 2005 futures might be more beneficial for my kids than me, especially those that would require 1-2 decades to really hit their stride. So selecting what wines to buy is not only a question of economics but it would be a great help (to me and I’m sure also to GeneV) to know which producers are making their wines in a style that would be very enjoyable in their youth.

  • http://www.halcyn.com/ Marc

    Thanks Julius,
    Good point about rinsing with the next wine. I have done that too with no ill effect.
    If you feel like buying some first growth ’05 futures you could leave them to me in your will. I’m only 28 😉 and I promise I will think of you when I drink them…j/k

  • http://www.halcyn.com Marc

    Thanks Julius,
    Good point about rinsing with the next wine. I have done that too with no ill effect.
    If you feel like buying some first growth ’05 futures you could leave them to me in your will. I’m only 28 😉 and I promise I will think of you when I drink them…j/k

  • http://wine.myfirstforum.com/ Dan

    This is one of the first wine blog I have seen so far. Seems like this ep is all about SELLING Bordeaux 2005 futures. But hey, as what you pointed, spend and drink within your means. II think due to Parker hype and Bordeaux Chateau & negioicant’s greed, I will give the 05 vintage a complete miss… But nice show. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

  • http://wine.myfirstforum.com Dan

    This is one of the first wine blog I have seen so far. Seems like this ep is all about SELLING Bordeaux 2005 futures. But hey, as what you pointed, spend and drink within your means. II think due to Parker hype and Bordeaux Chateau & negioicant’s greed, I will give the 05 vintage a complete miss… But nice show. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

  • http://www.myspace.com/chateaumiller Brandon M

    I asked the rinse question at a winery a couple of weeks ago and they said this:

    Quoting Reidel, the inside of a glass is pourus and will trap the water in it’s pores changing the taste of the next wine entering the glass. This is why Reidel says to rinse the glass with the next wine being tasting.

    I’m not sure if I entirely believe it or not…but that’s what they said.

    B

  • http://www.myspace.com/chateaumiller Brandon M

    I asked the rinse question at a winery a couple of weeks ago and they said this:

    Quoting Reidel, the inside of a glass is pourus and will trap the water in it’s pores changing the taste of the next wine entering the glass. This is why Reidel says to rinse the glass with the next wine being tasting.

    I’m not sure if I entirely believe it or not…but that’s what they said.

    B

  • KAHUNA

    Just stumbled across this- I agree with the Reidel guy

  • KAHUNA

    Just stumbled across this- I agree with the Reidel guy

  • http://info.italoguide.com/cuccarini-nuda.html Aamy

    Nice..nice post.

  • http://info.italoguide.com/cuccarini-nuda.html Aamy

    Nice..nice post.

  • vivaitalia

    The hype has got me extremely curious but I know nothing about bordeaux or the producers or even the appelation system of France so I wouldn’t even know where to start. Maybe a little advice on something in the $25-50 range?

  • vivaitalia

    The hype has got me extremely curious but I know nothing about bordeaux or the producers or even the appelation system of France so I wouldn’t even know where to start. Maybe a little advice on something in the $25-50 range?

  • David Canada

    I have bought huge in this vintage….not the 1st growths cause I can’t print money but bottles like Pontet Canet, Duhart Milon, Domaine de Chevalier, Clos du Marquis, Malmaison, Giscours, Malsecot St. Exupry. There are so many good wines that you don’t need to pay $1000 for. Nice episode!

  • David Canada

    I have bought huge in this vintage….not the 1st growths cause I can’t print money but bottles like Pontet Canet, Duhart Milon, Domaine de Chevalier, Clos du Marquis, Malmaison, Giscours, Malsecot St. Exupry. There are so many good wines that you don’t need to pay $1000 for. Nice episode!

  • WA Ambassador

    Great idea talking about futures. I’ve always wanted to know more about this. If there are any other tips that you can offer about this, I’d really like to see another episode on it.

  • WA Ambassador

    Great idea talking about futures. I’ve always wanted to know more about this. If there are any other tips that you can offer about this, I’d really like to see another episode on it.

  • The Fanjestic

    I’m looking forward to the 06 and 07 futures episodes. Just because I’m hoping the wine prices drop and there are some steals. Maybe that’s wishful thinking.

  • The Fanjestic

    I’m looking forward to the 06 and 07 futures episodes. Just because I’m hoping the wine prices drop and there are some steals. Maybe that’s wishful thinking.

  • wayno da wino

    Dat was so cooool to watch this Episode again!!!!! Thank You, Gee!!!!

  • wayno da wino

    Dat was so cooool to watch this Episode again!!!!! Thank You, Gee!!!!

  • Dan Leavy

    word 52 “might”

  • Dan Leavy

    word 52 “might”

  • yowens

    Cool to see you jump all over a vintage that now clearly is as good as you said it would be, Kudos! QOTD: Nice tie.

  • yowens

    Cool to see you jump all over a vintage that now clearly is as good as you said it would be, Kudos! QOTD: Nice tie.

  • corkscrew

    Wish I had endless $ to buy some of these but now that it's a few years after this episode was done these crazy priced wines from France are now haunting them..will buy these on sale. http://www.winelx.com

  • A dumb Rhein king

    Any barrel tastings coming soon?

  • Allan

    Gary in a tie?? 😛

    That’s a first.

    And funny thing going back to watch the “old stuff”, you were right about the prices reaching even higher levels, as we can see now with 2009.

    A bit shy still, you were yet to find “the real” Gary we all know and love. :)

  • Anonymous

    Love the passion and conviction and how right you were looking back.
    Maybe investing in wine is not a bad idea

  • Anonymous

    Hey Gary! Gary! “I’m tasting Bordeaux!” – absolutely love it

    Im pissed off about Bordeaux, that’s all i have to say

  • Anonymous

    Do you ever think to yourself, “Self, you are have ’05 Bordeaux barrel samples: Your job is amazing.”

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