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	<title>Comments on: California Red Zinfandel: the tastes, flavors and thoughts. Episode 63</title>
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		<title>By: WA Ambassador</title>
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		<dc:creator>WA Ambassador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m still not totally on board with white zin yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m still not totally on board with white zin yet.</p>
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		<title>By: &#124; californiaredwine.info</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#124; californiaredwine.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ThomasS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThomasS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin zin, never have had it because you almost can&#039;t get it over here, and when you have you almost surely end up with junk for an atmospheric price :( . Told you to open a WL-shop over here, THAT would change the wine world!
Worst experience? Mmm, on a fair; huge importer of Italian wines in Belgium I am regular customer of, went to their stand and tasted some wines. There was a bottle of A. Longo Cacc&#039;E Mitte di Lucera 2004. Great wine everybody says (by now, I a sure it is), so we wanted to taste it. Nose was oxidized, being carefull I first had it sniffed by my pal, said the same immediately: oxidized. So we where pretty sure about that (you know the faulty Port and pigeon droppings smell). So I said (very politely): could it be that this wine is oxidized? WOW, what did I say? And those two guys started to get out their glasses, whirling the wine around as if it was something of juice clean of a god&#039;s ass, as to say, you know: we are the real &#039;connoisseurs&#039;. I HATE that, really I HATE that (it already showed that new nothing about it, they didn&#039;t even know the varietals (out of 8 wines) ...  but you know, on a fair you always have these quick earners). And of course: No, it wasn&#039;t. Horse shit! Grrrrr ... .
Know what? A week later, I got a message for a special personified reduction for the next three months ... . You know, this is so ridiculous. Just because they disrespect the (into their eyes) &#039;average&#039; customer, they have to make it up with some &#039;reduction&#039;, instead of just apologizing at the very moment. There is nothing wrong with an oxidized wine, is it? It&#039;s no one&#039;s fault ... . Really HATE that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin zin, never have had it because you almost can&#8217;t get it over here, and when you have you almost surely end up with junk for an atmospheric price <img src='http://tv.winelibrary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  . Told you to open a WL-shop over here, THAT would change the wine world!<br />
Worst experience? Mmm, on a fair; huge importer of Italian wines in Belgium I am regular customer of, went to their stand and tasted some wines. There was a bottle of A. Longo Cacc&#8217;E Mitte di Lucera 2004. Great wine everybody says (by now, I a sure it is), so we wanted to taste it. Nose was oxidized, being carefull I first had it sniffed by my pal, said the same immediately: oxidized. So we where pretty sure about that (you know the faulty Port and pigeon droppings smell). So I said (very politely): could it be that this wine is oxidized? WOW, what did I say? And those two guys started to get out their glasses, whirling the wine around as if it was something of juice clean of a god&#8217;s ass, as to say, you know: we are the real &#8216;connoisseurs&#8217;. I HATE that, really I HATE that (it already showed that new nothing about it, they didn&#8217;t even know the varietals (out of 8 wines) &#8230;  but you know, on a fair you always have these quick earners). And of course: No, it wasn&#8217;t. Horse shit! Grrrrr &#8230; .<br />
Know what? A week later, I got a message for a special personified reduction for the next three months &#8230; . You know, this is so ridiculous. Just because they disrespect the (into their eyes) &#8216;average&#8217; customer, they have to make it up with some &#8216;reduction&#8217;, instead of just apologizing at the very moment. There is nothing wrong with an oxidized wine, is it? It&#8217;s no one&#8217;s fault &#8230; . Really HATE that!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, it&#039;s time for bit of wine geekness regarding the origins of Zinfandel.

Zinfandel has been assumed to have come from Europe at some time, but the origins were uncertain.  However, the work of Prof. Carol Meredith of UC Davis and her colleagues have come to a very clear conclusion.   Zinfandel was not known to exist anywhere in Europe until about thirty years ago, when it was discovered that Primitivo in southern Italy was the same cultivar. This has been shown to be true using DNA markers and the work repeated in several independent labs.  However, it appears that although the two grapes are genetically identical, Zin did not come to the U.S. by way of Italy.  

The Dalmatian cultivar Plavac mali was suspected to be closely related to Zinfandel. Continued work demonstrated that Plavac mali was an offspring of something genetically identical to Zin crossed with another Dalmatian varietal, DobriÄiÄ‡.  Given these results, further exploration of other Dalmatian varieties eventually turned up a vine strongly resembling Zinfandel in a vineyard in KaÅ¡tela, a coastal town near the city of Split. Genetic analysis revealed that this vine, subsequently determined to be the rare cultivar Crljenak kastelanski, has the same genetic profile as Zinfandel. 

Crljenak kastelanski is almost extinct in Croatia. Several vines have now been found but only in mixed plantings with other varieties. The search for more extensive plantings of Crljenak kastelanski is continuing along the coast and coastal islands. 

The question of how it got from there to here is still unanswered.

The above notes are modified from the abstract of the following paper, published in:
ISHS Acta Horticulturae 603: VIII International Conference on Grape Genetics and Breeding
&quot;THE IDENTIFICATION OF ZINFANDEL ON THE DALMATIAN COAST OF CROATIA&quot;
Authors:  	E. Maletic, I. Pejic, J. Karoglan Kontic, J. Piljac, G. Dangl, A. Vokurka, T. Lacombe, N. MiroÅ¡evic, C. Meredith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, it&#8217;s time for bit of wine geekness regarding the origins of Zinfandel.</p>
<p>Zinfandel has been assumed to have come from Europe at some time, but the origins were uncertain.  However, the work of Prof. Carol Meredith of UC Davis and her colleagues have come to a very clear conclusion.   Zinfandel was not known to exist anywhere in Europe until about thirty years ago, when it was discovered that Primitivo in southern Italy was the same cultivar. This has been shown to be true using DNA markers and the work repeated in several independent labs.  However, it appears that although the two grapes are genetically identical, Zin did not come to the U.S. by way of Italy.  </p>
<p>The Dalmatian cultivar Plavac mali was suspected to be closely related to Zinfandel. Continued work demonstrated that Plavac mali was an offspring of something genetically identical to Zin crossed with another Dalmatian varietal, DobriÄiÄ‡.  Given these results, further exploration of other Dalmatian varieties eventually turned up a vine strongly resembling Zinfandel in a vineyard in KaÅ¡tela, a coastal town near the city of Split. Genetic analysis revealed that this vine, subsequently determined to be the rare cultivar Crljenak kastelanski, has the same genetic profile as Zinfandel. </p>
<p>Crljenak kastelanski is almost extinct in Croatia. Several vines have now been found but only in mixed plantings with other varieties. The search for more extensive plantings of Crljenak kastelanski is continuing along the coast and coastal islands. </p>
<p>The question of how it got from there to here is still unanswered.</p>
<p>The above notes are modified from the abstract of the following paper, published in:<br />
ISHS Acta Horticulturae 603: VIII International Conference on Grape Genetics and Breeding<br />
&#8220;THE IDENTIFICATION OF ZINFANDEL ON THE DALMATIAN COAST OF CROATIA&#8221;<br />
Authors:  	E. Maletic, I. Pejic, J. Karoglan Kontic, J. Piljac, G. Dangl, A. Vokurka, T. Lacombe, N. MiroÅ¡evic, C. Meredith</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary,


I&#039;m not trying to be a know it all, but I thought I&#039;d mention the guys at UC Davis have actually determined that the Zinfandel/Primitivo grape is actually a clone of the Crljenak grape, which was native to Croatia. Regardless of where it came from though, it makes damn good juice, if you like the style. 

My pals and I watch the show and we&#039;re enjoying it very much, but we sort of feel like just watching you tasting wines and scoring them isn&#039;t really as satisfying as learning about the other aspects of wine. We think your viewers may enjoy episodes such as an in depth series on how to taste, how production affects the wine (Steel vs. oak aging, what malolactic fermentation does, old vines vs young vines.... etc..), flavour profiles of specific grapes and regions, climate effects on sugar and tannin levels, hot vs cool climate wines..... all those good things which have been touched on very lightly, but could use more. 

For example, we partake in several tastings per year, and we always find that there&#039;s a few people per tasting who can easily distiguish a St. Estephe from a Grave, but they never go into detail about how they know it. It feels like it&#039;s a big secret! Revealing some of those &quot;secrets&quot; would be a great few episodes, I&#039;m sure.


Just my two cents worth. In the end, we think you&#039;re doing great, and who are we to criticize you?! 

Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be a know it all, but I thought I&#8217;d mention the guys at UC Davis have actually determined that the Zinfandel/Primitivo grape is actually a clone of the Crljenak grape, which was native to Croatia. Regardless of where it came from though, it makes damn good juice, if you like the style. </p>
<p>My pals and I watch the show and we&#8217;re enjoying it very much, but we sort of feel like just watching you tasting wines and scoring them isn&#8217;t really as satisfying as learning about the other aspects of wine. We think your viewers may enjoy episodes such as an in depth series on how to taste, how production affects the wine (Steel vs. oak aging, what malolactic fermentation does, old vines vs young vines&#8230;. etc..), flavour profiles of specific grapes and regions, climate effects on sugar and tannin levels, hot vs cool climate wines&#8230;.. all those good things which have been touched on very lightly, but could use more. </p>
<p>For example, we partake in several tastings per year, and we always find that there&#8217;s a few people per tasting who can easily distiguish a St. Estephe from a Grave, but they never go into detail about how they know it. It feels like it&#8217;s a big secret! Revealing some of those &#8220;secrets&#8221; would be a great few episodes, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Just my two cents worth. In the end, we think you&#8217;re doing great, and who are we to criticize you?! </p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A guy I know that often has &quot;interesting items&quot; for sale gave me a bottle of Hungarian sparkling wine to sample.  It was really not bad at all, and I sprung for a case.  At $2 a bottle, why not?  I brought the case to a New Year&#039;s Eve party and was greeted like a hero.  I gave the bottles out among the other party goers and kept a bottle for myself.  Bait and switch?  This was bait and a dozen bottles of mildly carbonated horse piss with about a pound of sugar added.  I hid my bottle behind the couch, with several others, and slunk home in shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A guy I know that often has &#8220;interesting items&#8221; for sale gave me a bottle of Hungarian sparkling wine to sample.  It was really not bad at all, and I sprung for a case.  At $2 a bottle, why not?  I brought the case to a New Year&#8217;s Eve party and was greeted like a hero.  I gave the bottles out among the other party goers and kept a bottle for myself.  Bait and switch?  This was bait and a dozen bottles of mildly carbonated horse piss with about a pound of sugar added.  I hid my bottle behind the couch, with several others, and slunk home in shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim F I agree with your statement about Lenz my wife and I have enjoyed a number of their wines. I&#039;ll check out Macari and get back to you thanks for tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim F I agree with your statement about Lenz my wife and I have enjoyed a number of their wines. I&#8217;ll check out Macari and get back to you thanks for tip.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My worst wine experience has to be the homemade zin we made in Nyak last Fall. We bottled it in March and I didn&#039;t taste it until May. &quot;Fungal jockstrap&quot; comes to mind. Way beyond sweaty socks. Needless to say...I&#039;m out of the business. I think I&#039;ll just buy my zin from you from now on. PS...do you think it had anything at all to do with Nyak?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My worst wine experience has to be the homemade zin we made in Nyak last Fall. We bottled it in March and I didn&#8217;t taste it until May. &#8220;Fungal jockstrap&#8221; comes to mind. Way beyond sweaty socks. Needless to say&#8230;I&#8217;m out of the business. I think I&#8217;ll just buy my zin from you from now on. PS&#8230;do you think it had anything at all to do with Nyak?</p>
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		<title>By: TimF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed R - I was just out on Long Island a few weeks ago (took the ferry over from CT when I was visiting my parents).   My wife kept saying she wanted to go to Bedell.   We went to 6 wineries that day and Bedell was by far and away the worst of the bunch.   Absolutely horrible.   I didn&#039;t like a single wine they poured -- and you&#039;re right, they were pretentious.   I really liked the Merlot that Lenz was pouring and Macari&#039;s Block E was unreal.
TimF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed R &#8211; I was just out on Long Island a few weeks ago (took the ferry over from CT when I was visiting my parents).   My wife kept saying she wanted to go to Bedell.   We went to 6 wineries that day and Bedell was by far and away the worst of the bunch.   Absolutely horrible.   I didn&#8217;t like a single wine they poured &#8212; and you&#8217;re right, they were pretentious.   I really liked the Merlot that Lenz was pouring and Macari&#8217;s Block E was unreal.<br />
TimF</p>
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		<title>By: Ed R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day I was out tasting at some of the local vineyards on Long Island and I made a comment about the inflated tasting prices to the employee and asked if anyone ever complains about this recent price surge and the woman stated, &quot; not on the weekends, but during the week you have some griping.&quot; Needless to say I was there on a Thursday and the woman&#039;s subtle shot was at the locals and you got to love how someone who is pouring wine for $5 an hour can get super snooty just because she serves wine to the rich and famous on the weekends two months a year. Did I mention Bedell sucks.
 Question for you, why does anyone buy over priced long island wine anyway when there is so much more out there?
 Keep up the good work , been with you since the begining, wine novice learning a lot. 
Thanks,
ED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day I was out tasting at some of the local vineyards on Long Island and I made a comment about the inflated tasting prices to the employee and asked if anyone ever complains about this recent price surge and the woman stated, &#8221; not on the weekends, but during the week you have some griping.&#8221; Needless to say I was there on a Thursday and the woman&#8217;s subtle shot was at the locals and you got to love how someone who is pouring wine for $5 an hour can get super snooty just because she serves wine to the rich and famous on the weekends two months a year. Did I mention Bedell sucks.<br />
 Question for you, why does anyone buy over priced long island wine anyway when there is so much more out there?<br />
 Keep up the good work , been with you since the begining, wine novice learning a lot.<br />
Thanks,<br />
ED</p>
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