Red Burgundy Wine Tasting.

Red Burgundy Wine Tasting. – Episode #104

October 10, 2006

Wines tasted in this episode:

Watch today as Gary tackles four red burgundies. Tune in today and see what Gary thinks of these four, one of the great wines of the world. More viewer questions answered and a new QOD.

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October 11, 2006

Big Billy from Big D
Brandon, sounds like a good solution to me…
and may the best Vayniac win. I mean rule.

Chin chin
October 11, 2006

Brandon M
Gary…the “Our Favorite Episodes” at the bottom is a nice touch! Is this a pre-cursour of more to come? Our favorite wines, movies, songs, etc etc etc?

B
October 11, 2006

Brandon M
OK…I will do ONE mass email to everyone, including Vaniacs, and those that bounce will be taken out of the vote.

B
October 11, 2006

Big Billy from Big D
Brandon, why don’t you send a mass Email inquiring about whether the owner actually voted.
I would bet that the seemingly legitimate looking, but nonetheless bogus Email addresses will bounce back.

If anything, we may be the object of a prank.
October 11, 2006

SS Chris
Big Billy, as I stated at the end of my posting, it was a joke!!!!

I thought it funny (& slightly maniacal) that I actually looked up the definititions

It really doesn’t matter to me…CHEERS!!

P.S. You may be correct that it was only 12 people using VaynIACs. But there were only 2 or 3 using Wine Librarians…couldn’t help myself!! LOL
October 11, 2006

Brandon M
To the defense of Big Billy in Big D….

I have gone through the DB with a fine tooth comb, and the votes for Wine Librarians look pretty legitimate. They are not all AOL, HOTMAIL, and the like. They are actually from private companies, public companies, government sites, and private home sites as well. I can email all of them and ask for a response, but I think that violates the “Email only for voting” rule. I CANNOT stand spam and do not want to become a part of it.

Here’s what I’ll do….TWO SHIRTS….that should solve it…Wine Librarians Vs. Vaniacs…hell lets have a football game!
Now I have allready recieved some great designs for Wine Librarians, so this tells me there are A LOT of people who REALLY want it….I haven’t recieved any design ideas for vaniacs, not that I’m asking for them, but the wine librarian crowd seems a bit more motivated.

After reading my previous post I realized that I may have alienated all those viewers who don’t neccesarily post. These may be the voters who want Wine Librarians so I do need to take it in to consideration in my decision. Again, as MarcT said, this is my decision for the shirts I am producing, you can certainly make your own if you want, it would be fun to trade!

Just my three cents!

B
October 11, 2006

Brandon M
I would like to ask the BLOG about Vaniacs…
It seems to me that most who actually puts time into posting likes Vaniacs, and it did recieve a TON of legitimate votes. I’m doing shirts no matter what the only question now is Vaniacs or Wine Librarians, and I think I know the answer.

MarcT…haven’t found it yet, still looking.
Also a great idea on the shirts. I think that it would be cool if we traded and everyone had their own designs. If we all see one we like, we could make it the official shirt.

Tony…No I.P. Addresses were captured. I guess I thought I wouldn’t need to, stupid me!

Last night….eleventh hour. I need to get out of a rut. I think I am going to start buying only two bottles of each wine so that I can constantly experience different tastes. The Eleventh Hour is REALLY REALLY good, but it is the same this week as it was last week, so I’m thinking about buying one to two bottles at a time.

I, again, have had a local store tell me that you should always buy by the case for the aging potential, having enough to enjoy, and getting the case discounts, but I REALLY don’t see the need anymore….besides…I am officially out of room!

B
October 11, 2006

Julius
For those interested in tasting, or ordering for that matter (based on today’s email), the Moris Farms Avvoltore 03, pleased be advised that the WL website incorrectly designates it as a Marche IGT. It’s actually from Tuscany.
October 11, 2006

Julius
To add a little something to what phig said, there are some great values in Burgundy as you go south of the Cote d’Or to the Cote Chalonnaise and specifically Rully and Givry.
October 11, 2006

Big Billy from Big D
In response to TShirt Voting Comments

Ep â€œAnother Look Backâ€, Comment 173 by Brandon Opened the voting with the propagation of http://www.vaynervote.com/.

I then voted for Vaynerchucklers and wondered where the nominated names not using the Vayner prefix were. I posted this question. Brandon then within an hour posted that the full list we subsequently used as a ballot was now available.

Ep 100 Comment 39 I posted the ONLY comment before the close of the.vaynervote.com/ website on Sunday where I mentioned Vayniacs. Here it is:

â€œFor those of you who believe your love of wine and WLTV is a matter of Free Will, unending intellectual curiosity, and sensory pleasure I recommend:
Wine Librarians

For those who believe that their condition may be more described in faux medical terms I recommend:
Biblio-OenoPhiliacs (also known as BOP)
those Wine Librarians so infected should be known as BOPPERS. (BOP PERSons)
For those who believe that their relationship with WLTV should be described in the Journal of Psychiatry I recommend:
Vayniacs
I wonder if it is a crippling disorder?

Foe those who believe only in unquestioned authority figures, and wish to prostrate themselves in that servitude I recommend:
VaynerNationâ€

For the remainder of the election period I posted a few comments with each succeeding episode, all containing the hyperlink to the polling site, quippish comments in support of Wine Librarians or Terroirists all in the spirit of fun. I openly admitted in one comment about the voting process, when Brandon brought up the issue of bogus emails, that I had invited some friends and family to support my choices and check out WLTV. I know we picked up a few new viewers as a result. Brandon quite satisfactorily explained the nature of the bogus email addresses.

With the sending of my Email to family and friends I only hoped to get Wine Librarians and Terroirists in the Top 5. At that point Vayniacs was running well ahead. I didnâ€™t send another Email to gain more support, and was happy to let the electoral chips fall where they willed.

The big influx of votes came on Saturday afternoon.

All the â€œsociopathâ€ stuff came two days after the balloting ended, in response to Vayniac-whining about Wine Librarians not being belligerently aggressive enough name. I guess out of a fear that someone in a biker bar would attack a Wine Librarians shirt wearer ordering Opus One because they would be perceived as weak. My advice – donâ€™t wear a Wine Librarian shirt, or order Opus One in a biker bar.

The possibility does exist that Wine Librarians is the electoral choice of people who come without commenting to WLTV for information about wine, coupled with the convenience of having the wine actually available for sale at a competitive price. Not because GV antics about the Jets or the Yankees, or blood sport banter. Instead they just tolerate that stuff to get at the wine information. Maybe what happened in this election was that rationality prevailed.

Most of the use of Vayniac came from than a dozen or so people using it constantly. That strikes me as the more Rovian approach – an endless calliope of echo chamber effect talking points from one source. Repetition is one mark of â€œThe Big Lie.â€

Chris, my name is not Rove, but my middle name is â€œYellow Dogâ€, if you know what that means. Thatâ€™s not the easy way in Texas today.

I did not stuff the ballot box, and furthermore I wouldnâ€™t have if I could have. I am only involved here because I wanted to be entertained and informed, while trying at times to be entertaining with my comments. In fact, when it looked like Wine Librarians was going to lose I researched the horses that ran behind Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont – 31 lengths behind. If Wine Librarians had lost I wouldnâ€™t have whined. I am not that invested.

Be of good cheer
October 11, 2006

phig
Obviously, I’m glad you finally got around to doing the Burg episode. I do however, have some seious nits to pick. To all of you out there, do not buy any of the wines on this episode. First of all, aside from the 2000, they are from a freakish year that gives a completely atypical sense of what Burgundy is about. Second of all, they are all pretty mediocre producers (well, Gouges is pretty good, and Magnien can be good on occasion). Third, these wines are badly overpriced. Gary is right. Burgundy is a crap shoot as anyone who has ever tried anything on a whim knows. And the more you spend the more likely you are to get burned. That being said, there is a lot of very mediocre, not to say bad very very very expensive bordeaux, napa valley wine and so forth–and don’t get me started what passes for wine coming out of places like auz. No, if you want to try burgundy, look for, for example, some of the 2002 beaunes coming from Jadot, or something like the 2001 Matrot Blagny which can be found for a song if you look around–wines that will cost you 20-30 bucks. 1999, 2001, 2002, 2004 all have some interesting wines (though the 2004 reds are proving to have some screetchy acidity–the whites are classics) that are worth looking for. But look in santenay, marsanay, beaune, and other smaller appelations. Learn to like to stuff. It will often be very light (not have “great color”) quite high, or very high, in acidity, incredible food wine, and when you get to know it, the kind of elegant thought provoking beverage that Gary speaks of–just not the wines he tried which all sound like syrah in a pinot wrapper. Few burgs tend to have power or color associated with them (though they occasionally do). Perfume, high-toned, terroir, mineral etc those are terms I hope for. Again, delighted it happened, disappointed at the choices and don’t agree with the assessments. Can’t have it all. And as the man says, you have to decide for yourself.
October 11, 2006

ML
Gary,

Please taste the Sutter Home Fre Merlot. Library Code: 13401

The winery tasting notes are very intriguing: “It should appeal especially to dealcoholized wine drinkers seeking some of the health benefits of red wine along with the sophistication of a world-class varietal”

Oh, and Wine Librarians on a t-shirt is lame. Vayniacs is far more clever…and cooler.
October 11, 2006

Bill Ross
QOTD – How about Moris Farms Avvoltore 03. Miami goes 0-6 SU and 1-5-0 ATS
October 11, 2006

Tony
Oh, and Brandon, Jhan and I would be happy to accept your invitation. I can’t wait for the ride in your Bentley!
October 11, 2006

Tony
I agree that the sudden jump in Wine Librarian votes is suspicious. I think we may have had two people stuffing the ballot box – one (not so smart) for Vayniacs, and another (smarter, using real-looking email addresses) for Wine Librarians.

Brandon, you didn’t happen to capture the IP address of each voter did you? That might simplify the process of determining which votes are ballot stuffers.

We may end up having to take this to the Supreme Court.
October 11, 2006

MarcT
BrandonM…Have you found a replay video on the internet yet? I have been searching so I can show my friends that didn’t watch the fight. No luck yet on fight #3
October 11, 2006

MarcT
OK…here is an idea.
Everyone that thinks they have what it takes should come up with a t-shirt design with what ever VaynerName they are, then we can all have a demo or a few demo shirts made on our own and we can show them off at the parties. Then if we have a few we can trade them and share our stories with each other at the parties kind of like trading your jersey with your opponent after a soccer game. That would make all of us do a little work and take the shirt design and upfront cost off of BrandonM. It is great that he is willing to do the work but we should contribute.
Then after the parties we will have pictures of shirts and stories to go with them. We can then try another vote to decide which shirt we would all like to have and sport on the streets. Because no matter how cool the VaynerName might end up being, the shirt might end up looking like (and maybe smelling like) crap and only wine should SMELL like crap
BTW…I am going to do this no matter what and I will have shirts of my own come party time!!! I look forward to trading a shirt or two with some other people as well.

Again, I am a VayneOPHILE on my own no matter what our great community ends up being!
October 11, 2006

Mike S.
2005 Tensley Colson Canyon Syrah. It would definitely be infanticide, but, man, Tensley makes a good Syrah.
October 11, 2006

SeanM
How about:
Riondo Prosecco
Library Code: 26597
October 11, 2006

Italian Stallion
sweet # 100
October 11, 2006

Safsam
I second the motion for tasting the Ramey Diamond Mountain Cab.
October 11, 2006

DaveL
The sudden explosion of Wine Librarian votes is suspicious, but I came to the naming party too late to worry about it. I would have nominated VAYNER-CHUCKLEHEADS! (…”No way, Dave, that has negative connotations!” …….”Shut up, I like it. When it comes to wine, I am indeed a dunce, looking to be educated by GV.”
October 11, 2006

Greg
What happened to the gravatars?
October 11, 2006

Eugene
Gary,
Thanks for tasting red Burgundies. Next time could you bring something less expensive?
It appears that red Burgundy prices range from $14 for generic Bourgogne to $70 for premier cru (I am not talking about very expensive stuff here). There must be some sweet spot at around $20-25?

QOTD: Please taste whatever you have from Ferrari Carano-whites and reds. Their cab, Sienna, fume blanc etc.

Also, could you invite one of the big wine critics to WLTV or to the store? It would be nice to meet Mr. R. Parker and having him compare notes with you.
October 11, 2006

Greg
QOTD: I’ve been drinking a lot of Long Island wines recently. About the only LI wine I could find on the site is Bedell’s ‘01 Merlot. Can you taste that?
Any chance that you could add New York under the “Type:” drop down box on winelibrary.com? It seems like NY wines are gaining popularity, but as far as I can tell there is no good way to search for them on winelibrary.com.

I’d be willing to throw my hat in to be an event coordinator for the NYC WLTV Party. I’ve planned many large bar parties for friends, so this is right up my alley. Since I work in Manhattan and live in Jersey City, I’m always out in NYC.