Second Wines/Labels of Bordeaux and Other Wines.-Episode #140.

December 5, 2006

Wines tasted in this episode:

2004 Ornellaia Le Serre Nuove
2000 Chat Roseraie De Gruaud Larose
2000 Chevalier De Lascombes Margaux
2002 Caravan Cabernet Sauvignon By Darioush

Links mentioned in todays episode.

The Gary Vaynerchuk Wltv Gift Pack #2

This is a much anticipated episode where Gary Vaynerchuk tastes through the second labels of major wineries to see how their second wines stack up. Gary tastes through wines from California, Italy and of course Bordeaux where much is made of second label wines.

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November 7, 2009

Patrick Horn
QOTD: Quilceda Creek 2002 Columbia Valley Red Wine. After drinking this with a dinner theme featuring fresh picked Chanterelle mushrooms, I signed up for their mailing list. Then Parker published his two 100 pt. scores for back to back vintages of the top wine. Glad I tasted this stuff when I did!
September 26, 2009

John J.
their website is tersiguels.com
September 26, 2009

John J.
qotd; Liberty School, lol kidding. I had a great Duhart-Milon Rothchild a couple years back. That may not be the 2nd growth of theirs, now I gotta double check that.
side qotd: Tersiguel’s just outside Baltimore. French restaurant, killer food wines and service. You get fine dining without the snooty pretension. I had the pleasure of meeting their chef, Michel. He’s was/is the youngest person to win Grand Master Chef of America. He won 2 years in a row if I remember correctly. Gary, can we get a charbono tasting episode? How about a vin jaune 1?
January 14, 2008

Sharon
Ooh, what was thay you were saying about Peyton and Eli?
If you’re ever in Groton, MA, (outside Rt. 495 belt) check out Gibbet Hill Grille. They even have a fairly imaginative wine list:
http://www.gibbethill.com/index.htm
March 3, 2007

Alos Diallo
I really like this episode, I had actually wondered about many of the second wines and how good they are. Nice Job!
January 20, 2007

thomas korent
This is really late – considering the time the episode went “on air”…my favourite second wine was a 2001 Lucente – the second wine to Mondavi and Frescobaldi’s Luce. In Europe only about 25$ – in Canada 27 Canadian Dollars. Spectator said 92 points. I, for once, agree. And, at that price…I say quite a value – especially considering that because of the relatively low merlot percentage, you should best drink this wine after 2010 – and that’s an ageing potential I haven’t seen in many second wines…can’t wait to open the rest of the case…
December 15, 2006

Redhawk
Jumping in late, but what the heck

QOTD: Does the “regular” Shafer cab count as a second to Hillside Select? If so, that’s my pick. If not, it’s maybe a tie between ‘96 La Criox de Beaucaillou and ‘01 Pagodes de Cos (OK–edge probably to the Pagodes). I didn’t care for my bottle of ‘96 les Forts de Latour–too vegetal.
December 12, 2006

David Canada
Best so far……2000 Les Forts de Latour but it needs another 10 years still!
December 9, 2006

phig
Due date?
December 8, 2006

JayZee
QOD: The best second label wine I have ever had is the 2000 Carruades de Lafite. It is drinking really well right now. I give it a solid 90 points.
December 7, 2006

Kirkland M
1st time lurker posting. QOTD – “The Orphan” by Justin is a 2nd label favorite of mine. Do a port tasting! I got spoiled as my first taste was a 1963 Quinta do Noval.
December 6, 2006

Louisiana George
i guess you would consider 1977 Mondavi Napa Cab to be the 2nd to the Reserve.

poking around ebay a few years ago, bought a bottle for about $40 without high expectations. took it to supper with my wife for an anniversary. decanted at the table and was fantastic. good from the start and evolved into about 4 different wines over about 2 hours. loved it, especially for the price for a 25+ year old wine.

Louisiana George
December 6, 2006

Caesar D
Great show Gary,

My best second wine (that I can remember)? Was the 2001 Ornellaia Le Serra del Nuove. Comparing cost to the Ornellaia’s first wine “Ornellaia”, the QPR factor kicks in.

CDF
December 6, 2006

Lawrence Leichtman
$38 for the second line Ornellalia seems a bit too high unless you think that it beats other $40 wines. I have had the second line wines from every one of the major Bordeaux’s and have never been impressed other than the second line from Lafitte tha I think Carruades de Lafitte but it is no longer any bargain often going over $200 itself. One of my favorite restaurants with a great wine list is Bridges Restaurant in Danville , CA http://www.bridgesdanville.com
December 6, 2006

JR Laz
Tony – no math expert, but it’s pretty tough to start an 8 1/2 month countdown for human gestation, unless Gary is going ‘immaculate reception’ on us. : )

39 weeks is normal gestation, and typically one learns at about 6 weeks in. That’s 231 days. Baby theory is out unless Gary is working some serious MJ mojo or something (”He shoots….he SCORES!!).

- Laz
December 6, 2006

waibeans
Heck yea with the juggling! Haven’t commented here before, but had to do it after seeing that! Friggin awesome Gary. Keep it up!!!!!

see you in the forums,

Wai
December 6, 2006

Roberto
Raspberry jam Blackberry pie Blueberry Dark Cherry Choccolate and more…. and Jammie Marmellade !! Jammy Jammy Jammy !!!
How Much jam is in your Basket >>??
Spred it and eat it….instead then Drink it !!!
December 6, 2006

Boucher
Hey Gary,

Next time you are in NYC, venture over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn
to have some lovely food and wine at Stonehomewinebar.
The Chef has past experience cooking in the kitchen at Veritas.

http://www.stonehomewinebar.com

cheers JB
December 6, 2006

Tony S.
64th! Great episode, I love second labels cause they’re way cheaper and are sometimes almost as good. Thanks for doing that. I’d have to say that my favorite second label, that I can think of is probably the Pavillion Rouge de Margaux. Freakin’ rad. I had the 2000 a while ago and I can still taste the finish. It was so silky smooth. Yummy.

Allright man…take care.
Go Bears!
T

ps…I’m guessing about 257 days until your baby is due? 257 days is around 8 and half months away, so…it’s just a guess. Or is that a count-down until the 2007 NFL Training Camps open up?
December 6, 2006

Steve B
Used to be Liberty School when Caymus still owned them – they’ve gone down a little since the split.
I second Kahuna’s mention of Hawk Crest.

I blogged about Second Labels wines back in August. Check it out
http://blog.thegrapenuts.net/?p=36
December 6, 2006

Abel
Bahans Haut Brion is the second label of Haut Brion.
December 6, 2006

Abel
Okay, so I guess I am not a lurker anymore. Hard to say which is the best second label wine I have had. One of the problems I have noticed with second wines is that they tend to be highly inconsistent – even within the same vintage. For example, I once had an outstanding Pagodes de Cos, but when I later tried a second bottle of the same vintage, I was very disappointed. What do you think the source of this problem is? Is it that the winemakers are not as careful with the 2nd labels, or do you think the problem is with the people involved with the wine after it leaves the vineyard (e.g. distributors, retailers, etc.)?
December 6, 2006

Susan
QOD:
The rest of the story:
You may be getting a Salsarita’s near YOU soon. They are now in over 15 states.
Salsaritas Web Site:

http://www.salsaritas.com/

Web site for Mama Ricottas:

http://www.americascuisine.com/restmenu.cfm/cityId/13/restId/688

AND

Web site for City Tavern:

http://www.city-tavern.com/ct/

I hope some of you can find a Salsarita’s in your town soon!
December 6, 2006

Adam
Also… (I posted above)….

My favorite second label bottle…

Crossbarn Cabernet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6, 2006

Adam
Recently went to BLT Prime in NYC… wow! Highly recommended!! We also enjoyed a bottle of Hollywood & Vine Cabernet Sauvignon “2480″ with dinner, could have been a 2003, I don’t remember. Everything was a hit!!!