Second Wines/Labels of Bordeaux and Other Wines.-Episode #140.

December 5, 2006

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Wines tasted in this episode:

This is a much anticipated episode where Gary Vaynerchuk tastes through the second labels of major wineries to see how their second wines stack up. Gary tastes through wines from California, Italy and of course Bordeaux where much is made of second label wines.

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  1. about 5 months ago

    Sharon

    Ooh, what was thay you were saying about Peyton and Eli? :-)
    If you’re ever in Groton, MA, (outside Rt. 495 belt) check out Gibbet Hill Grille. They even have a fairly imaginative wine list:
    http://www.gibbethill.com/index.htm

  2. about 16 months ago

    Alos Diallo

    I really like this episode, I had actually wondered about many of the second wines and how good they are. Nice Job!

  3. about 17 months ago

    thomas korent

    This is really late - considering the time the episode went “on air”…my favourite second wine was a 2001 Lucente - the second wine to Mondavi and Frescobaldi’s Luce. In Europe only about 25$ - in Canada 27 Canadian Dollars. Spectator said 92 points. I, for once, agree. And, at that price…I say quite a value - especially considering that because of the relatively low merlot percentage, you should best drink this wine after 2010 - and that’s an ageing potential I haven’t seen in many second wines…can’t wait to open the rest of the case…

  4. about 18 months ago

    Redhawk

    Jumping in late, but what the heck

    QOTD: Does the “regular” Shafer cab count as a second to Hillside Select? If so, that’s my pick. If not, it’s maybe a tie between ‘96 La Criox de Beaucaillou and ‘01 Pagodes de Cos (OK–edge probably to the Pagodes). I didn’t care for my bottle of ‘96 les Forts de Latour–too vegetal.

  5. about 18 months ago

    David Canada

    Best so far……2000 Les Forts de Latour but it needs another 10 years still!

  6. about 18 months ago

    phig

    Due date?

  7. about 18 months ago

    JayZee

    QOD: The best second label wine I have ever had is the 2000 Carruades de Lafite. It is drinking really well right now. I give it a solid 90 points.

  8. about 18 months ago

    Kirkland M

    1st time lurker posting. QOTD - “The Orphan” by Justin is a 2nd label favorite of mine. Do a port tasting! I got spoiled as my first taste was a 1963 Quinta do Noval.

  9. about 18 months ago

    Louisiana George

    i guess you would consider 1977 Mondavi Napa Cab to be the 2nd to the Reserve.

    poking around ebay a few years ago, bought a bottle for about $40 without high expectations. took it to supper with my wife for an anniversary. decanted at the table and was fantastic. good from the start and evolved into about 4 different wines over about 2 hours. loved it, especially for the price for a 25+ year old wine.

    Louisiana George

  10. about 18 months ago

    Caesar D

    Great show Gary,

    My best second wine (that I can remember)? Was the 2001 Ornellaia Le Serra del Nuove. Comparing cost to the Ornellaia’s first wine “Ornellaia”, the QPR factor kicks in.

    CDF

  11. about 18 months ago

    Lawrence Leichtman

    $38 for the second line Ornellalia seems a bit too high unless you think that it beats other $40 wines. I have had the second line wines from every one of the major Bordeaux’s and have never been impressed other than the second line from Lafitte tha I think Carruades de Lafitte but it is no longer any bargain often going over $200 itself. One of my favorite restaurants with a great wine list is Bridges Restaurant in Danville , CA http://www.bridgesdanville.com

  12. about 18 months ago

    JR Laz

    Tony - no math expert, but it’s pretty tough to start an 8 1/2 month countdown for human gestation, unless Gary is going ‘immaculate reception’ on us. : )

    39 weeks is normal gestation, and typically one learns at about 6 weeks in. That’s 231 days. Baby theory is out unless Gary is working some serious MJ mojo or something (”He shoots….he SCORES!!).

    - Laz

  13. about 18 months ago

    waibeans

    Heck yea with the juggling! Haven’t commented here before, but had to do it after seeing that! Friggin awesome Gary. Keep it up!!!!!

    see you in the forums,

    Wai

  14. about 18 months ago

    Roberto

    Raspberry jam Blackberry pie Blueberry Dark Cherry Choccolate and more…. and Jammie Marmellade !! Jammy Jammy Jammy !!!
    How Much jam is in your Basket >>??
    Spred it and eat it….instead then Drink it !!!

  15. about 18 months ago

    Boucher

    Hey Gary,

    Next time you are in NYC, venture over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn
    to have some lovely food and wine at Stonehomewinebar.
    The Chef has past experience cooking in the kitchen at Veritas.

    http://www.stonehomewinebar.com

    cheers JB

  16. about 18 months ago

    Tony S.

    64th! Great episode, I love second labels cause they’re way cheaper and are sometimes almost as good. Thanks for doing that. I’d have to say that my favorite second label, that I can think of is probably the Pavillion Rouge de Margaux. Freakin’ rad. I had the 2000 a while ago and I can still taste the finish. It was so silky smooth. Yummy.

    Allright man…take care.
    Go Bears!
    T

    ps…I’m guessing about 257 days until your baby is due? 257 days is around 8 and half months away, so…it’s just a guess. Or is that a count-down until the 2007 NFL Training Camps open up?

  17. about 18 months ago

    Steve B

    Used to be Liberty School when Caymus still owned them - they’ve gone down a little since the split.
    I second Kahuna’s mention of Hawk Crest.

    I blogged about Second Labels wines back in August. Check it out
    http://blog.thegrapenuts.net/?p=36

  18. about 18 months ago

    Abel

    Bahans Haut Brion is the second label of Haut Brion.

  19. about 18 months ago

    Abel

    Okay, so I guess I am not a lurker anymore. Hard to say which is the best second label wine I have had. One of the problems I have noticed with second wines is that they tend to be highly inconsistent - even within the same vintage. For example, I once had an outstanding Pagodes de Cos, but when I later tried a second bottle of the same vintage, I was very disappointed. What do you think the source of this problem is? Is it that the winemakers are not as careful with the 2nd labels, or do you think the problem is with the people involved with the wine after it leaves the vineyard (e.g. distributors, retailers, etc.)?

  20. about 18 months ago

    Susan

    QOD:
    The rest of the story:
    You may be getting a Salsarita’s near YOU soon. They are now in over 15 states.
    Salsaritas Web Site:

    http://www.salsaritas.com/

    :)

    Web site for Mama Ricottas:

    http://www.americascuisine.com/restmenu.cfm/cityId/13/restId/688

    AND

    Web site for City Tavern:

    http://www.city-tavern.com/ct/

    I hope some of you can find a Salsarita’s in your town soon!
    :)

  21. about 18 months ago

    Adam

    Also… (I posted above)….

    My favorite second label bottle…

    Crossbarn Cabernet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. about 18 months ago

    Adam

    Recently went to BLT Prime in NYC… wow! Highly recommended!! We also enjoyed a bottle of Hollywood & Vine Cabernet Sauvignon “2480″ with dinner, could have been a 2003, I don’t remember. Everything was a hit!!!

  23. about 18 months ago

    The British Doctor

    QOTD: I think Clos du Marquis (though not strictly a 2nd wine) is always great value, I also had a 1996 Reserve de la Comtesse - excellent stuff!!

    I think someone said La Mission Haut Brion - my undertanding is that this is a seperate chateau, not a 2nd wine of Haut Brion
    just to make it confusing you have

    Château Haut-Brion
    Château Larrivet-Haut-Brion
    Château Laville-Haut-Brion
    Château La Mission Haut-Brion
    Château La Tour Haut-Brion

  24. about 18 months ago

    Miguelo DiMarco

    $!$!$!$!$!$!$!$1000 bucks for a bottle of wine? That’s about $40 an ounce. I hope you didn’t rinse any glasses with that stuff.

    Some favorite restaurants in NYC:

    The ~”Cuba”~ restaurant in the Village on Thompson for traditional Cuban food and live music
    http://www.cubanyc.com/cuba/media/cubarestaurant.html

    AND

    ~”44 Southwest”~ for Italian located on 9th/44th - SouthWest corner
    http://www.menupages.com/restaurantdetails.asp?neighborhoodid=0&restaurantid=3661
    (a menu is accessible from this page)

  25. about 18 months ago

    Don S.

    QOTD - I’m with KUHUNA - Hawks Crest is my favorite second label.

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