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1. December 5, 2006

   hugh

   Gary,

   I thought the Roseraie was Gruaud Larose’s 3rd wine, with Sarget de G L as the second.
   Can u check that for me!! The 1996 Sarget was a good value at about $20…

2. December 5, 2006

   Pete J.

   Yquem’s 2nd Y was a revelation. How about a vertical on Ch. Pontet Canet?

3. December 5, 2006

   KAHUNA

   I will go cheap and I do not know if this is a second wine- probably not but Hawks Crest by Stags Leap year to year pretty darn good- Wouldnt know a 2nd Frenchy if it fell out of the rack and onto my toe-

   By the way Peyton had a wopping one more win through his first 36 games than Eli has- but of course you are a dopey Jets fan with a dopey fireman leading a dopey cheer-thank god Jets is easy to spell because with their boonesfarm drinking fan base they probably couldn’t spell anything else- A bald man in a firehat riding another man -looks a little Brokeback Mountain to me in that stadium.

4. December 5, 2006

   Mitch

   Gary;
   What’s with many of the major Bordeaux chateaux releasing multiple second wines with different names, different labels, and different release dates? I bought Sarget de Gruaud Larose on futures years ago! It was featured at the time as Gruaud’s second label. Now they have released Roseraie de Gruaud and they don’t blink an eyelash. It may be good for revenue, but in my opinion not very fair to the consumer who would like some clear idea of what they purchased.

   On another note, Darioush has to produce among the most oak-ridden wines on the planet. Wine educators should buy the stuff to use as a sample of oak-madness for the education of novices.

5. December 5, 2006

   Brad

   Pavillon rouge ‘03- numero uno 2nd wine.
   I heard that Eli Manning comment by the way…what did I tell you before about bashing the Giants? Actually, speaking of second wines, how about New York’s SECOND team- the Jetties? I guess Eli is no Ken O’Brien now is he? I’m tellin’ yah, if you keep talking Giants trash, the next thousand dollar bottle you buy will be corked!
   Check out the Metro Cafe & Wine Bar on 21st and park. http://www.metrocafenyc.com/

6. December 5, 2006

   QueSeraSyrah

   I was wondering if someone was going to use Tony Romo as an analogy when you made that backup QB remark.

   Solid episode Gary. QOD- Carraudes de Lafite would have to be on the top of my list for secondary wines (it’s a short list though). One that I’ve had recently that I felt showed up it’s big brother was the 2003 Faust Cabernet Sauvignon. I’ve been unimpressed with Quintessa, but the Faust (I picked it up based on recommendation and didn’t even know it was related to Quintessa until much later) was a much better value and wine in my opinion.

7. December 5, 2006

   Ken

   Gary,
   Good show.
   Is the Le Serra Nuove Ornellaia really at middle $20? You link has it at $37.99.

8. December 5, 2006

   KAHUNA

   SQTD-Peasant

9. December 5, 2006

   jon777

   Hey Gary — Great episode! Very interesting… I learn something new in every ep of WLTV, but this one was particularly interesting. As someone who looks for QPR at every turn, 2nd labels hold a particular appeal. Look forward to the side by side testing — hopefully some time before the heat ep!

   So to continue the backup QB analogy: The Ornellaia Le Serre Nuove is Tony Romo — Unhearalded initially young, but based on the early reviews has huge potential

   The rest of the wines were Steve DeBerg wines. Veteran, solid, gets the job done — not spectacular, but solid.

   QOD: Honestly haven’t had any memorable 2nd labels to date. Look forward to trying the Ornellaia.

   QOTD2 (restaurant – hidden Gems): Cucharamama in Hoboken is OUTSTANDING south american cuisine. You should definitely check it out one night on your way back into the city. Great wine list as well… From Zagat: F25 S27 D22 $41
   “Maricel Presilla’s “amazing” Hoboken South American a block away from her sister restaurant, Zafra, “will delight your senses” with “powerful flavors” and an “ingenious use of ingredients” revealed in the “phenomenal” fare that’s backed by “sexy”, “swanky” sub-equatorial decor; “small” and sometimes “tough to get into”, those who don’t mind “waiting” are glad they did.”

10. December 5, 2006

    TampaSteve

    Gary, glad you gave the Ornellaia Le Serre Nuove 2004 two thumbs up, I ordered this last night when I saw it come up on WL. I had even posted a “heads up” on the forum about it. I was turned onto this wine in Italy this summer by the sommelier at Locanda dell’Amorosa in Sinalunga. I thought it was fantastic. The wineries in Montalcino were telling me that 04’s might be the best Brunellos they have ever seen. We shall see. I also just read a article by James Suckling of WS how the 04 Barolos and Barbarescos are rocking. Look forward to more 04’s from Italy in the future.

11. December 5, 2006

    JR Laz

    Brandon – did you see GV look around at his walls at one point like something was missing? I wonder if it was code. Great episode, but noticed the sterile walls when he did that. No comment on the pickles, who donated those?

    What is the “257?” countdown, has anyone figured that out? Probably obvious to the regulars, but I’m stumped.

12. December 5, 2006

    cgf

    Gary-
    Cool theme and great episode.

    QOTD: opus overture (i think 2002). had it with a bunch of friends on a road trip. drank it with grilled steaks in a buddy’s backyard after a long day of driving. Don’t remember the wine as much as the experience.

    I will see YOU next time.

13. December 5, 2006

    Mark D

    Knight’s Valley = Peter Michael Les Pavot’s second wine

14. December 5, 2006

    Mark D

    Fav second wines:
    1) Knight’s Valley (select vintages great, some have been thin)
    2) La Mission Haut-Brion..yummy

15. December 5, 2006

    Brandon M

    QOTD: Les Forts De Latour
    Seems to be made solid everytime…but not cheap either.
    Where’s the leather chair?
    That has got to come back some time!

16. December 5, 2006

    JR Laz

    Hingrman – do you ever spend time watching the episode, or do you just enjoy posting repeatedly for kicks? Maybe your server is having problems, I’ll be nice now.

    The POINT is GV clearly said the price was mid-20’s and rated it a 92 pt ROARING value….my point is that at $38, it’s a solid value, but not exactly enough to empty my cart full of Dead Arm and Magpie.

    QOTD – Best 2nd wine was Overture (Opus) from the 96/97 vintages. It rocked!

    Laz

17. December 5, 2006

    Rick "The Model" M

    Very interesting episode. First time I have ever heard of second wines. Check out The Pearl Oyester Bar on Cornelia and Bleeker.

18. December 5, 2006

    Mets fan 13

    Thank you for doing an episode on 2nd wines, something I am very interested in (I own some Opus Overture, Napanook, Meyer, Caravan) – often very approachable from a price perspective. Was debating about whether to jump in on the Ornellaia when I noticed you got it in. Can’t wait to see the follow-up comparing the little brothers to the big ones.

19. December 5, 2006

    Matthew L

    Great show Gary. I didn’t really even know about second wines. I appreciate the explanation. With that said, I have nothing to offer for today’s QOTD. I’m still just chasing after 1st wines. It probably wouldn’t be surprising if I’ve actually had 2nd wines, and just didn’t know it.

    Cheers!

20. December 5, 2006

    hinrgman

    #11

    Whats the point???

21. December 5, 2006

    hinrgman

    Top 10

    Top 10

22. December 5, 2006

    JR Laz

    Ornellaia at mid-20’s Gary? Where do I sign up? The site lists it at $38. Not a bad value at that price, but mid-20’s would definitely be screaming QPR!!

23. December 5, 2006

    Erich

    Top 10, 2 in a row.

24. December 5, 2006

    hinrgman

    Top 10!@!!!

25. December 5, 2006

    hinrgman

    Top 10!!

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