Gary-
Another fabulous episode!
Did not know anything about seconds until this episode.
I am getting such a good education.
Great stuff!
QOD:
Restaurants-
I have 3 favs:
American Fare:
City Tavern – no one has better american food and wine for the money. Entrees start at about $9.00.
Great atmosphere.
Italian Fare:
Mama Ricotta’s –
NO ONE has better italian, it is freshly made every day and large portions and still entrees start at about $9.00.
they have fabulous atmosphere and a bar at the door so you can get a drink while you stand in line. I LOVE the all you can eat garlic rolls and their Chicken Carciofa is to die for! Their tiramisu is SOOOOOOO big!
Mexican Fare:
Salsaritas:
No one has more fresh food for less money. There is real and fabulous cheese in their nachos. Salads with bowls you can eat.
Fabulous burritos, tacos and enchiladas and everyone in charlotte gets their chips and salsa to go.
You can get alot of food for $8.00 (large burrito and a drink). Casual dining atmosphere.
🙂

QOD Langmeil Valley Floor Shiraz as a second wine to the Langmeil Freedom Shiraz… Then how about the Earthworks 2004 Shiraz also from Langmeil as a third wine to the second…

Is there anything else I need to add?

top 100? all set U BET!!

Another gooder gary..keep it up…

side question: Le Crocodile is by far my favorite resturant in Vancouver, BC, Canada ( http://www.lecrocodilerestaurant.com/ ).

QOTD: Just getting into wine so havnt experienced any second wines.

Boston: The Butcher Shop
Phoenix: Pizza Bianco
DC: Cafe Atlantico

QOTD – I’m with KUHUNA – Hawks Crest is my favorite second label.

$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$1000 bucks for a bottle of wine? That’s about $40 an ounce. I hope you didn’t rinse any glasses with that stuff.

Some favorite restaurants in NYC:

The ~”Cuba”~ restaurant in the Village on Thompson for traditional Cuban food and live music
http://www.cubanyc.com/cuba/media/cubarestaurant.html

AND

~”44 Southwest”~ for Italian located on 9th/44th – SouthWest corner
http://www.menupages.com/restaurantdetails.asp?neighborhoodid=0&restaurantid=3661
(a menu is accessible from this page)

QOTD: I think Clos du Marquis (though not strictly a 2nd wine) is always great value, I also had a 1996 Reserve de la Comtesse – excellent stuff!!

I think someone said La Mission Haut Brion – my undertanding is that this is a seperate chateau, not a 2nd wine of Haut Brion
just to make it confusing you have

Château Haut-Brion
Château Larrivet-Haut-Brion
Château Laville-Haut-Brion
Château La Mission Haut-Brion
Château La Tour Haut-Brion

Recently went to BLT Prime in NYC… wow! Highly recommended!! We also enjoyed a bottle of Hollywood & Vine Cabernet Sauvignon “2480” with dinner, could have been a 2003, I don’t remember. Everything was a hit!!!

Also… (I posted above)….

My favorite second label bottle…

Crossbarn Cabernet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QOD:
The rest of the story:
You may be getting a Salsarita’s near YOU soon. They are now in over 15 states.
Salsaritas Web Site:

http://www.salsaritas.com/

🙂

Web site for Mama Ricottas:

http://www.americascuisine.com/restmenu.cfm/cityId/13/restId/688

AND

Web site for City Tavern:

http://www.city-tavern.com/ct/

I hope some of you can find a Salsarita’s in your town soon!
🙂

Okay, so I guess I am not a lurker anymore. Hard to say which is the best second label wine I have had. One of the problems I have noticed with second wines is that they tend to be highly inconsistent – even within the same vintage. For example, I once had an outstanding Pagodes de Cos, but when I later tried a second bottle of the same vintage, I was very disappointed. What do you think the source of this problem is? Is it that the winemakers are not as careful with the 2nd labels, or do you think the problem is with the people involved with the wine after it leaves the vineyard (e.g. distributors, retailers, etc.)?

Bahans Haut Brion is the second label of Haut Brion.

Used to be Liberty School when Caymus still owned them – they’ve gone down a little since the split.
I second Kahuna’s mention of Hawk Crest.

I blogged about Second Labels wines back in August. Check it out
http://blog.thegrapenuts.net/?p=36

64th! Great episode, I love second labels cause they’re way cheaper and are sometimes almost as good. Thanks for doing that. I’d have to say that my favorite second label, that I can think of is probably the Pavillion Rouge de Margaux. Freakin’ rad. I had the 2000 a while ago and I can still taste the finish. It was so silky smooth. Yummy.

Allright man…take care.
Go Bears!
T

ps…I’m guessing about 257 days until your baby is due? 257 days is around 8 and half months away, so…it’s just a guess. Or is that a count-down until the 2007 NFL Training Camps open up?

Hey Gary,

Next time you are in NYC, venture over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn
to have some lovely food and wine at Stonehomewinebar.
The Chef has past experience cooking in the kitchen at Veritas.

http://www.stonehomewinebar.com

cheers JB

Raspberry jam Blackberry pie Blueberry Dark Cherry Choccolate and more…. and Jammie Marmellade !! Jammy Jammy Jammy !!!
How Much jam is in your Basket >>??
Spred it and eat it….instead then Drink it !!!

Heck yea with the juggling! Haven’t commented here before, but had to do it after seeing that! Friggin awesome Gary. Keep it up!!!!!

see you in the forums,

Wai

Tony – no math expert, but it’s pretty tough to start an 8 1/2 month countdown for human gestation, unless Gary is going ‘immaculate reception’ on us. : )

39 weeks is normal gestation, and typically one learns at about 6 weeks in. That’s 231 days. Baby theory is out unless Gary is working some serious MJ mojo or something (“He shoots….he SCORES!!).

– Laz

$38 for the second line Ornellalia seems a bit too high unless you think that it beats other $40 wines. I have had the second line wines from every one of the major Bordeaux’s and have never been impressed other than the second line from Lafitte tha I think Carruades de Lafitte but it is no longer any bargain often going over $200 itself. One of my favorite restaurants with a great wine list is Bridges Restaurant in Danville , CA http://www.bridgesdanville.com

Great show Gary,

My best second wine (that I can remember)? Was the 2001 Ornellaia Le Serra del Nuove. Comparing cost to the Ornellaia’s first wine “Ornellaia”, the QPR factor kicks in.

CDF

i guess you would consider 1977 Mondavi Napa Cab to be the 2nd to the Reserve.

poking around ebay a few years ago, bought a bottle for about $40 without high expectations. took it to supper with my wife for an anniversary. decanted at the table and was fantastic. good from the start and evolved into about 4 different wines over about 2 hours. loved it, especially for the price for a 25+ year old wine.

Louisiana George

1st time lurker posting. QOTD – “The Orphan” by Justin is a 2nd label favorite of mine. Do a port tasting! I got spoiled as my first taste was a 1963 Quinta do Noval.

QOD: The best second label wine I have ever had is the 2000 Carruades de Lafite. It is drinking really well right now. I give it a solid 90 points.

Due date?

Best so far……2000 Les Forts de Latour but it needs another 10 years still!