1st Growth Bordeaux: Margaux,Mouton Rothschild and Haut Brion – Episode #150

December 19, 2006

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Another milestone reached in the history of WLTV, Episode #150! To celebrate Gary tastes and reviews three first growth Bordeaux’s. Sit back and enjoy and thank you to everyone who got us to episode #150.

  • John J.
    Nice episode Gary, noticed you pointed out that alot of folks are requesting episodes you have already done. what a shame.
    Well I have 1 you havent done, and have never even mentioned. In fact I've never heard of anyone do a blog on this wine. Although any material I find on this wine has always given it nothing but praise, sometimes astronomical accolades.
    So Gary my question for YOU is, WHEN WILL YOU BE DOING AN EPISODE ON VIN JAUNES?
  • Ok, ok...I am delurking.

    Currently going through every single episode, in chronological order. Hope to be caught up in a couple months.

    On the Bordeaux front...I'm still kicking myself for not purchasing a second bottle when I bought a '90 Leoville Barton for my former boss ten years ago. I know... second growth, not first... but you get the point.

    Hoping to make a journey to the Wine Library soon.
  • QOTD: Hmmm...a Rothschild wouldn't hurt!!!

    Ha.
  • vivaitalia
    You said the Margaux was perfect and scored it a 96. What could it possibly take to get a 98-99-100? Actually I think 96 is the highest score i've seen in any WLTV episode.
  • TommyBoBo of WI
    Oh, My, GAWD!!!! Can I drink out of the spit bucket??!!
  • Vinacull
    Gary,
    Big congrats on 150, and this was a great way to celebrate. Like the other commenters, I can't believe you were rinsing your glass with 1st growths at about 30 bucks a pop! Back from the old school days, I give this EP a 95. With brutes like this, you could have used some Iron Shiek or Hulk Hogan for tannin support. Cheers, CK
  • Mindmuse
    Dude!, you're rinsing your glass with $30 worth of premier grand cru Bordeaux. Surely you actually own more than one Bordeaux glass. I think I'd use a clean one for each bottle. Are you just doing that to be cruel to us?
  • Joe P.
    Congrats on 150. Sorry I'm late to the party...work, kids, you know. Anyway, thanks for the first-growth treat. It's nice to drink vicariously through you! jp
  • mr.francophile
    Congrats one the big one-five-o! Finally an episode Mr. F can truely apperciate. Nice line up. Glad to see my sleeping beauties are doing well. I may have to pop a margaux in the near future. I found your notes on the mouton quite interesting. Usually pauillac has more mineral tones than what you described, no earth, led pencil, or barnyard? Say it aint so........ Huge mouton fan, im definately curious, but think i'll wait for it to put on somoe secondary flavor profiles, let it get rid of the baby fat a little. Speaking of sediment, were any of the bottles throwing of any sediment, for bordeaux their still young, but would like to know. Cheers!

    BTW- You've chugged d'quem and cristal, you need to drink some fine 1st growth red out of the bottle to round it out, perhaps the margaux, followed by a lil screagle!
  • LXA_Harris
    Congratulations on your milestone! The most expensive wine I've ever had was $22/bottle, so I wish I had some sense of what it was you're talking about with these wines. Oh well. I figure I'm living my wine-loving life through you. Keep on Enjoying!

    On the whole new-world old-world thing.... do you have some very, very, very polar wines (one extremely old-world and one extremely new-world) that are common and under $20? I want to taste side-by-side to truly understand the difference.
  • chito
    Amazing?, Unbelieveable?, Come on Gary , you are just starting. Many, many, many more episodes from now you will know what I mean. As always your motto is reversed, but keep up the good... great work in educating the masses. They are listening.
    Al
  • Jaye
    Chad M - I checked that out. I wonder what that will do for the future of the wine business if that technology is brought into wide use! Imagine classy Bordeaux aged to perfection in 5 years rather than 20! Can't imagine anything taking the place of time though.
  • Chad M
    Gary you mentioned that you were drinking these wines really young. I found a great article on an instant aging machine! Talk about instant gratification. I wonder if it's any good.

    http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/...
  • Tom Kirwin
    Great choices for 150!
  • Well, you outidd yourself but I doubt I will ever taste any of those wines (sigh). I did invest in 2nd and 3rd growth futures in '99 so I'm expecting great things from them in about 10 year or so. Thanks again Gary.
  • Suzanne
    Congratulations on hitting Episode 150.

    But am I the only one who nearly choked every time Gary casually rinsed the glass between those $150 bottles of 1st growth Bordeaux WITH BIG SLOSHES OF $150/BOTTLE 1st GROWTH BORDEAUX?!

    Holy crap.
  • AlanV
    I am a lurker - and I love your show. Congratulations on #150... What do I want to see? Some very easy way to taste some of the wines along with you so I could calibrate tastes and also gain some vocab/taste links.

    I am building a ~300 bottle rack in my basement (in a closet) - not ideal conditions, but looks like I can get between 58 - 65oF and ~30-50% humidity. I would also really like to hear what you think "seminal" bottles are for a cellar of this size, given a middle-of-the-road budget.

    Believe it or not, the Stillers will make it to the playoffs this year - against all odds - but they found their A-game again! Go Phins (they are such spoilers)!!

    Keep up the great shows! Thanks
  • Dale
    Lurker - answer is - Ship to Michigan - If I could buy, I would participate much more. Lame I know, but the truth.
  • Jtk
    Great show! Congrats on 150, Keep up the good work. Cheers~~~
  • Radders
    Gary, what a great episode at 150 so far congrats.

    You've made me a very happy man, very happy! I'll tell you why, I'm a final year medical student at Oxford University in the UK and my final exams end on the 25th of January. I dont have enough space for laying down a huge cellar of first growths but I do have a bit of a collection going - and the king of the collection in my 1999 Chateau Margaux - he's gonna get popped the evening after I finish my exams - some steak, some friends and that bad boy.

    2ndf point, have you thought about marketing your spit bucket assemblage 30% Margaux 20% Haut Brion 20% Mouton and 30% spittle. I'm sure someone would buy it. But seriously, how much did the wine you used to rinse the glass cost $5 a go - couldnt you have used water or a fresh glass - some of us would die for that much good wine =)

    Cheers Gary
  • Large Format Fever
    Hey, coming out of "lurker land". This is a pivotal moment in my life..... Hey Gary, perhaps a large format episode would be cool..... There is nothing cooler than poping a 5L with your great freinds!!! CB
  • JayZee
    Gary,

    I do not feel jealous at all - okay, maybe just a tiny little bit, but not that much. Besides, in my cellar I have a bunch of lesser (than 1st growth) Bordeauxs. The reason is that my wife and I got married in 1999 so I wanted to get a bunch of decent Bordeaux to drink over several years. I have some Le Gay, Pontet-Canet, Leoville Poyferre, Lynch Bages, and Pape Clement. I've tried a few of them and they seem pretty decent thusfar. I think 1999 was at least a decent vintage in Bordeaux.

    Congrats on the 150th ep and hoping for many, many, many, many more...
  • Eric
    I noticed that SS Chris mentioned there are some fans congregating in Hoboken on Thursday night, and I would like to know the specific venue if possible, as I will conveniently be in Hoboken on Thursday night as it is. 'Preciate it.
  • Capt M
    Very, very, very, very nice (and interesting) episode. Such a nice way to commemorate the 150, specially for those of us who CAN'T afford any of these bottles. Tim F, the ending was so hilarious!! I'll get on to working on my Oak Monster, to see if I can come up with something.
  • The Raging Platypus
    Allright, Gary, you were pleading so hard for the lurkers to come out of the woodwork that I actually started to feel bad for not commenting earlier. Y'know, as if a piece of my soul were lost in the dark, swirling depths of your Bordeaux spit bucket, only to be reclaimed if I either marched over to Wine Library to drink the last Vaynerspit-dregs of those first growths, or finally leaving my mark here on this board.

    It was a tougher decision than I expected. =P

    Congratulations on episode 150, and thank you for helping me learn more and more about wine everyday!

    QOTD: Um, could I have my soul back? I keep losing pieces of it after every Giants game.
  • E
    Julius: it's a HUGE wine.
  • Joe Po
    Thanks Julius. I thought I did not hear Gary correctly and then no one commented about the WL math!! Very nice episode, Gary.
  • Portland Guy
    Anyone who includes 'skittles' as a favorable adjective in their tasting notes of a 1st growth bordeaux should be flogged. Where's the shame?
  • Mark B
    Congrats on episode 150. I'm becoming a big fan -- even showing the episodes to my wife and kids every night. My wife thinks you're a maniac ... in a good way ... although I'm not sure that eating dirt last week was the best way to attract lady vaniacs.

    I think you were much too generous to the Haut Brion. Given your description, I can't imagine it scoring above 85 or so if it weren't for the label. You speculate that the wine will eventually come around and score higher in 15 years, but I've seen many wines that were tight, tannic and "untogether" age for years and NEVER come around.

    And now to a point I've mentioned before: Do tastings like this double-blind. Further, if you have three premier crus in the tasting, throw in a ringer and taste them all blind.
  • Dion Hannum
    Gary, congrats on episode 150, it was very informative. I found this site in the L.A. Times, I will forward to all my Wino Buds.

    Dion---Calif.
  • JimVarney01
    Great episode Gary! What would be the best way to get into buying wines like this? Futures? Also, are all bordeaux's capable or mandatory of being cellared for 15+ years?
  • Julius
    GaryV's version of new math: 80 + 30 + 10 = 100 ??????????

    Regarding Pronunciation of French wine names, one suggestion: READ THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!
    :) :) :)
  • franky
    It was greart show. I ran over this by reading LA Times this morning and I want the tote bag.
  • TimF
    SS Chris -- Bed head? How did you know? I was paying tribue to GV's changing hair styles. What was that one episode where it was really out there?

    The number of hits I got on YouTube was much higher this time than for my last spoof. WLTV is really growing...

    Can't wait to see everyone's Oak Monsters...

    Does the Oak Monster live on Oak Island? Isn't that the Money Pit Island? Anyone ever watch "In Search Of"?
  • Joyce
    Gary, congrats on episode #150! When you mentioned that you have other tricks up your sleeve to top Friday's CRAZY episode, I clearly envisioned you jumping out of a plane, pouring a bottle of wine on the way down....catching the flow of wine as it flies by your head! I shook my head, rubbed my eyes, and came back to reality! I put nothing past you! Can't wait for the next 150, and more! Congrats!
  • Sam Zen
    ok, who out there feels like they're willing to put up some cashola for the contents of the spit bucket after this episode? Nice wines G.
  • Nicely done on the Margaux. It's amazing what surprises come from off years like 99...surprised the Haut Brion is still being so stubborn.
    Mouton is definitely the New World's first growth in just about any vintage. Vicariously enjoyed each one through you!
    Bravo Fred Savage...I sent your Jets another jab on the eBob boards, enjoy!
  • john nowitsch
    Gary, great concept and congratulations on achieving 150 episodes. Here's to the next 150!

    Thank you LA TIMES for publishing Gary's ad in today's edition.

    john nowitsch
  • Dave
    #150 - Great content (I don't know if I'll have the opportunity to sample a '99 wine like one of those.)

    What does first growth mean?
    Can you recommend a resource that explains what wines to put down, how long to store a wine and how to store?

    Thanks for tasting some French wines. It's like you are answering an email I sent earlier by doing this show (in addition to the email you already sent.)
  • rich loughrey
    Who has it better than you! Forced to taste Those Pantheons of the Wine World. When I grow up I want to be just like you.
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