Rose Rose Rose Rose…Roseeee Roseeee

Rose Rose Rose Rose…Roseeee Roseeee – Episode #243

May 25, 2007

Gary tastes some Rose wines, yes non White Zinfandel’s. Have a great Memorial Day weekend everyone!

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Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Las Rocas Garnacha RosatoOther Spanish Blush Wine
2006 Loan Raven’s RoseAustralian Rose
Guigal Cotes Du Rhone RoseOther French Rose Wine
2006 Copain Le Printemps RoseOther Cali. Rose/Blush/W.Zin

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150 Responses

May 25, 2007

Harold
Nothing says summer better than Rose.
May 25, 2007

Kent I
Episode 98!
May 25, 2007

jorge
Episode #98 04 Razon Valsacio
May 25, 2007

craig
2 days in the top 10. or top 5 for that matter…
May 25, 2007

Drewnior24
uh…5th? 6th?
May 25, 2007

waibeans
top ten times ten
May 25, 2007

JJW
Top 10. Love the episode — roses are just beginning to get the attention they deserve. Thanks Gary.
May 25, 2007

Bossman
I’ve been robbed, I logged on and there were no comments, nor anyway to leave one.

I emailed Gary and rec’d an out of the office message (June 15th? without warning us?).

Well maybe Brandon and Bobby got my email before Kent posted.

C’est la vie, the days are warm but the night’s are still chilly.

QOTD – what any 25+ year married man would answer: the Missus
May 25, 2007

mbannon
Nothing’s holding me back from the pink! I love it! Just had some last weekend, maybe I’ll have another this weekend. Can’t top it for pure refreshing fun.

And I LOVE the shirt, ha! That was a classic line.
May 25, 2007

MikeyB
qotd: bring on the pink- i’m jumpin in! but give us some really good ones gary – don’t leave us hangin with just the copain!
May 25, 2007

Lb in KS
I’m with Bossman…..WLTV/Cork’d was being funky as a dirty sock soaked in cat pee….. not a lot of cat pee, just that little bit at the very end
May 25, 2007

John Blue Label
GV,
Another Mind expanding episode. Dispelling the myth that all pink stuff is junk. Will have to try some.
QOTD: The “mystique” of pink stuff = white zinfandel is, correct was, holding me back. Will give it a whirl!!!
JW
May 25, 2007

jorge
Bossman is correct, I was able to get in after much struggle with the answer, but got beaten by a few minutes. When I started there were no comments.

QOTD: No stinky pinky stuff for me, the devil wears pink, ooops got to go, she is home now.
May 25, 2007

cdavis
episode 98!
May 25, 2007

manual
i’m bringing out the roses this weekend. mainly from Languedoc/Roussillon (the area that first got me interested in the pink). thanks for the episode. the Loan Ravins sounded interesting to me.

that accent sounded jersey to me.

QOTD : no fear here, i dive right in… i love the pink

cheers GV. have an awesome weekend!
May 25, 2007

Rempshaker
Pink is my favorite color…(Aerosmith)
May 25, 2007

Montrose
QOTD: I had a nice rose some years ago, and every one I have tried since (including the Guigal) has been garbage.
May 25, 2007

Kathleen Lisson
I’m sitting on the deck of my soldier boyfriend’s apt. by Fort Benning drinking some local stuff – Chestatee Rose by Three Sisters Winery in Dahlonega.
Owner Sharon Paul sold me on it when I visited the winery yesterday – a mix of Pinot Blanc, Chardonnay, Cab Franc and Merlot.
Cab Franc Rose is like my boyfriend, big and burly soldier man, but with a soft spot in his heart for lil’ ole’ me. I can still smell you, burly cab franc, but you’re all hugs and kisses for me today!

Everybody thank a soldier this weekend!
Kathleen
May 25, 2007

DaveyDonut
Well Gary… no, I’m certainly not afraid of “the pink”… RosÃ© on the other hand, I dunno. I guess there’s that whole stigma associated with white zin. that we’re all a bit afraid of. However, with expanding my pallet in mind, I purchased some French RosÃ© just the other day. I will give it a shot in the next week or so!

David
May 25, 2007

mas
QOTD: Not scared of the pink – make my own every year!
May 25, 2007

Kent I
Hooray, I was the first to answer! So exciting!

I can’t say I’ve ever had a rose. Because pink scares me. I do like that roses tend to be cheaper though, so it’s only a matter of time before this weak will of mine gives in…
May 25, 2007

Quaker Prison
How prophetic am I? Last show, I mentioned that this was the summer of the rosÃ©, and then out you come with a rosÃ© show. I think you owe me some money or something.

I have had the Guigal and I would describe the finish as “astingent”–like liking the floor of a hospital examination room (not fun, but sometimes you have no choice).

Stick to rosÃ©s from Tavel, CostiÃ¨res de NÃ®mes, or Provence.
May 25, 2007

Samantha H.
The only “pink” that I have had have been really sweet fruity wines that I wasn’t a huge fan of. So, not knowing what was what has been the biggest thing holding me back from trying any new ones!
May 25, 2007

Quaker Prison
Forgot a couple of things.

QOTD: Once you go pink…

And “Le Printemps”= Spring

Summer is “l’Ã©tÃ©”
May 25, 2007

aktormedic
Right on breaking out the Copain! However…my ABSOLUTE favorite RosÃ© is Domaine de la MordoreÃ©, both the CDR and the Tavel…for 14 bucks…fantastic. Also the Pibarnon and Tempier are interesting wines…

Just for info – (sorry I feel like the only one caring about and/or mentioning your French Pronouncation issues…)

Pronouciation wise: Copain = Ko Pahn (more or less)
Le Printemps = Lu Pron ton

And the accent…somewhere between Bergen and Union Counties?
May 25, 2007

auspuff
We drink lots of rose here in Holland in the summertime, i,m actually just finishing a bottle of Bullas 2004 (spain) tht we opened yesterday on the beach It,s one of the nicer supermarket roses.

Thanks for this episode! allthough I will probably not be able to get the Copain Le Printemps anywhere in The Netherlands
May 25, 2007

Grasshopper
Sensei,

Have a great time in LA, who will play you in the movie? Would be great QOTD and would bring some interesting answers…..maybe a young howie mandel, when he still had hair…:)

True, am little afraid of the pink and it does come from the white zins my Mom always drank out of a box! Promise to try a dry one but I agree with others…you have to do better than hit 25% with the pinks. You might have to do another episode and find us a couple more winners. 1 out of the 4 was not great…

Hope everybody has a great holiday weekend…pop the cork on a nice bottle and toast our fallen soldiers!! We are Lucky!

Grasshopper
May 25, 2007

BotaBag
Episode 98?
May 25, 2007

BotaBag
Too late!!! Good episode.
May 25, 2007

Neil
Ep 226? Just guessing here. I do remember the cherry/venison reference.

QOTD: California Rose I have enjoyed: Cuvaison Vin Gris, Flora Springs Rosato & Lazy Creek to name a few and a whole bunch of French ones whose names I can’t recall in the 9.00 to 12.00 price range. Nothing wrong with Rose on a hot summer day. Nothing wrong with Blanc De Noir sparkiling either.
May 25, 2007

C.W. Miller IV
This was definitely an episode filled with ups and downs, man. I was pretty excited during your intro to discover RosÃ©, then completely let down by the first few wines you tasted, then brought back up again by your excitement over the final wine. Looks like I might need to get myself a bottle of Copain for this weekend and showcase the pink proudly.

A(nswer)otD: Dude!?! What holds me back? It’s pink!!! I can’t drink that and be taken seriously! Or can I?
May 25, 2007

3dvw
QOTD: no holding back… I have a rose on occasion…. as long as it’s dry i’ll give it a try.
May 25, 2007

Wave
QOD.You said it yourself.They just dont “bring it”.With all the great alsace,albarino,pg, nz sb,loire.Why bother? It’s like everyone is trying to atone for wz.Who cares if a shameless sweet wine is what rose means to 99% of the wine drinking public? Has Roger Godell gotten ahold of the wine media and forced everyone to make good on this decades old travesty.Every wine publication and media outlet seems to be shoving this “new concept” of pink wine down my throat! I’ve had a fair share of rosee and my conclusion is much like this episode.One out of several are decent.VERY hit & miss.My fear of rose is “why is it being so heavily promoted lately”.Wharehouses full of the stuff?Wineries looking to make some $$ off of run off? All said ,I will try and find the Copain!!
May 25, 2007

TommyBoBo of WI
Anything pink I’m drinkn’ will have bubbles. Haven’t found a Rose` I like, and with ALL the reds and whites I’ve learned about since my intro to WLTV,,, I won’t have time.
Thanks for giving us the info,, and really like the 14-20min eps

Safe travels!
May 25, 2007

organicguy
Thanx for the alternative summer white/red. Just wish you had found or tasted a few more that appealed to you….maybe do an ep. that’s top heavy with rated 88’s and upward???? QOTD….remember Mateus rose’, many a bottle went down in the 60’s and 70’s….afraid to say it was probably the last time I had one…will try the Copain…
May 25, 2007

Harley Stan
It’s friday and no couch. Anyway interesting episode. Have great memorial day weekend
QOTD- I am not afraid of the pink, I have had a white merlot on several occasions( can’t remember the particulars) but it was cheap and fun.
May 25, 2007

Alos Diallo
Nothing the last one I tried however was not good at all, and have had to shy away as the money is tight. Riesling is just a better bet these days, but I will give it another chance this weekend.
May 25, 2007

palla
Great episode. BTW “printemps” means spring not summer.
May 25, 2007

Orion Slayer
Too bad the Spanish rosÃ© wasn’t a winner. I’m really liking the Spanish wines I’ve had recently (a great 2002 ViÃ±a Real Crianza last night!) Does anyone have a recommendation for an enjoyable Spanish rosÃ©?

QOTD: What makes me leary of rosÃ© is the fear that I’ll taste something like white Zinfandel I had a Malbec rosÃ© lately that was dry and delicious. If I could find more like that I’d be happy!

Kathleen, please thank your soldier friend for all of us. If not for the soldiers who have served in the past and present, we wouldn’t enjoy the freedom we do.
May 25, 2007

sfgiants55
So I’ve always enjoyed the pink stuff, but more so in the sparkling world. I feel rose sparkling wine adds another level of complexity to this already great genre.

I have some pinks the cellar and will be sure to open a couple this summer.

No holding back here.
May 25, 2007

Tipcee
thanks for the enthusiastic review of Copain. i just bought 3 of them to try them out thru the summer.
does anyone know what temp. a rose shows best? Room temp.? chilled? help please!
May 25, 2007

Dublin
I’ve had some really nice rose in the past, need to revisit it again this summer. I know they are different wines completely, but I LOOOOve a Rose Champagne!!!
May 25, 2007

mike p
Great episode! love dry rose. Became unafraid about 2 years ago visiting Santa Monica Ca. sitting in The Lobster on Ocean Ave overlooking the pacific and the pier my brother inlaw ordered a bottle of Comander Parysal(butchered the spelling)just great with their signature dish a 2.5 lb olive oil marinated grilled lobster been hooked since. Nothing better for summer drinking.
May 25, 2007

E
QOD: the fact that you didn’t do this show a few months ago before it got too hot to ship so I could grab some of that Copain for the summer … picked up a bunch last year and they were somewhat hit or miss–one of them even had Tannat in it! But the Chateau Guiot was definitely a keeper–creamy strawberry nose but still honestly dry. Something for everyone.

Tipcee: slightly chilled and you should be fine.
May 25, 2007

Justmarsh
QOD:

Didn’t you already say it? A-R-O-M-A-T-I-C-S

No really. Rose is ok. Speaking of pink wines, isn’t it about time the Champagne boy does some pink bubbly? That’s right I’m calling you out.
May 25, 2007

Andy
Gary , we have always loved the pink stuff.. Found wine by drinking Glen Ellen white zinfadel and went there on our honeymoon. We found in Napa & Sonoma the world of wine. Thank you for the great ROSE …..

Cheers,,
May 25, 2007

Andrew Zander
QOTD: Nothing! RosÃ© isn’t my favorite wine, but it’s great for the summer and ever since I had a 100% Cab. Franc RosÃ© I became a believer.
May 25, 2007

ChrisR
Excellent episode but you illustrated why I often shy away from Rose. 3 out of the 4 you tasted were passzzzesssz. I’ve been burned by too many bad roses. When its good, its lovely and I really enjoy it, but I never know what to buy. Even decent ratings for Roses seem to be a bad barometer – Look at Jay Miller’s praise for one that you rejected. (By the way, Jay Miller is great but I fear he is too enthusiastic. I never agree with every critic, but I’ve recently stumbled on too much desparity from Miller and I’m starting to not trust in his ratings. Gary V, Parker, Tanzer and Wine Spectator are true and true. I mean that sincerely. I think those 4 are the only ones I can still trust.

Anyway, thanks again for finding a good Rose in the bunch. I’ll try it for sure. I’m not afraid of the pink, I’m just afraid of wasting money on bad wine.

PS…BANFI’S ROSA REGALE is the bomb!! That’s the best pink I’ve ever tasted on the planet. It is sooooooo good and delicious and refreshing and ocean breeze, raspberry and roses that I could drink it everyday like water. With only 7% alcohol, you almost could.
May 25, 2007

Dave Canada
Love those T-Shirts….tell me you ship to Canada!!!
QOTD – I was in the Languadoc last year and fell in love with some of these wines but have been underwhelmed by some of the crap rose that is coming out of Ontario….I need to look elsewhere as we just don’t get enough of these through our Licqour control board.
May 25, 2007

jonochicago
Gary, Prentemps is Spring, not summer! Summer is L’ete.
QOTD: Like everyone else- generally they taste like s@#t.
May 25, 2007

portman
Here’s my $.04 worth.

3 passzzzez out of 4, and you’re wondering why we as a collective group are afraid of the pink? If excitement to the pink is to found out there, then stack the lineup on a show with rose that you’ve liked before. Also, rose is not so easy to find, especially in the barren wine markets of Maine. Up here it seems that half the shelf space is devoted to jugs and boxes. The vendors that actually stock quality wines are few and far between, and the selection is limited due to the few consumers up here too. Sigh. I’m moving to Springfield, NJ. I’m almost willing to bet that the population of your county is close to the entire population of the State of Maine.

A good presentation nonetheless. However, I am still afraid of the pink.

Mike
May 25, 2007

big_al
I have yet to find one I like. If I want something refreshing for the summer I’ll stick with Pinot Grigio or a nice Riesling Kabinet
May 25, 2007

Jimmy B
QOTD: Not afraid of the pink. As a matter of fact the Pink Panther was my favorite cartoon character! Banfi Rose Regale – absolutely marvelous.

PS: GV you need to make a trip down New Orleans way since I see you like to travel. It will definitely expand your palate with Cajun food!
May 25, 2007

TimF
That shirt is so, so wrong.

Rose, rose, Rochelle, Rochelle.

Heat on a rose is bad chicken — mess you up!

You should have thrown a pinot rose in there. Those are my fav.

Timmy? Why is it always poor little Timmy?

It’s watermelon RIND.

Wow, 0 fer 3. Let’s see if the cleanup hitter can knock get on base.

Marzipan?

I love red wines in clear bottles for some reason. No idea why.

I’m guessing that Kahuna is going to make a lot of “pink stuff” references…

QOTD: I’m not intimidated by pink stuff.
May 25, 2007

Susan
Gary-
WOW!!!Love rose and you found one that is not expensive!!!!
I am twice as happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did try a rose recently that is great!!!
May 25, 2007

amgryger
QOTD: I am afraid of the pink, because it is pink. 80% of my wadrobe is black. However, because Im a sucker for nebbiolo I’ve been tempted to try this one, “”Il Mimo” Nebbiolo Rosato, Cantalupo.” Anyone ever have it?
May 25, 2007

Cam
QOTD: What’s been holding me back is the whole idea that rose is a “pink girlie wine,” and I’m not that kinda girl. But hey, rose got a huge article in Wine Spectator, and now Gary’s telling me not to fear the rose, I’m gonna give it a whirl.
May 25, 2007

eugene
Rose, Rose……….

Would James Bond drink Rose? Champagne-may be.
So why should I?

How about kitchen blend? Get a bottle of red and a bottle of white, mix to your taste. I should try this!
May 25, 2007

Jennifer
Fishtank pebbles…good stuff, Gary.
QOTD: I reckon nothin’s holding me back from the pink.
May 25, 2007

Capt M
Long overdue and awaited episode. In fact, do another one on rose. There are so many; many of them tight on the nose. They pair great with asparagus (and mayo or blue cheese dressing), and/or artichokes. Pair well with most salads in fact. Pairs well with lobster. Gary, don’t take long before doing another episode on rose.
May 25, 2007

t_moderne
How can anyone be afraid of pink? I like the Kosta Browne Pinot Rose. Nice. And let’s not know the white zinfandel. Yes it is sweet and tastes like strawberry cotton candy – but it is a way to introduce people to wine beyond wine boxes or sangria or wine coolers.
QOTD – Very few GOOD pink wines make it to the shelves near me. Tavel? faggetabout it. The only pink I ever see is candied mass produced stuff. Or high end (did someone say Expen$ive) Champagne.
May 25, 2007

vivaitalia
What holds me back is I don’t have a ton of money so when I go buy something, I usually stick to what I know because i hate dropping 20 or 30 bucks on a bottle of something and not even being able to drink it. I’ve seen a pink sangiovese around that really intrigues me. I think i’ll have to go get it this weekend. Thanks for trying to get all of us to expand our horizons. I wish you would’ve gotten into what a rose wine is. How it’s made differently from reds and whites. I think alot less people would be leary of them if they knew they where made from the grape varieties that they already drink.
May 25, 2007

KenP
GV,
What, no Tavel? And Provence?
‘Printemps’ means springtime, ‘ete’ is summer, BTW. (I have to figure out how to add accents.) And Spanish Roses, I’ve heard they are often blends of white and red wines. Wouldn’t doubt Las Rocas does this.
Good ep. Love the pink.
May 25, 2007

caleb
everyone knows real men drink rose
May 25, 2007

Doc Dan
QOTD: THe color makes me think I am going to be drinking wine coolers!!
May 25, 2007

Winodontist
Thanks for always showing us new things.

QOTD: I am a bit scared of the pink. At a restaurant I would guess people would think I was drinking white zin, so no way. But at home I would probably have enjoyed that last one you tasted.
May 25, 2007

Shadowbird
QOTD: Nothing is hold me back. I’ve never had a dry rose before, but I am fond of white zin (gasp!) myself.
May 25, 2007

Winodontist
Just coming to your defense here GV, but some were writing in their comments about how you don’t pronounce French words properly. But in doing so they spelled PRONUNCIATION wrong 2 times. Maybe that’s like the pot calling the kettle black!
May 25, 2007

Shadowbird
BTW, thanks for this episode, GV. I did get one possible purchase out of it, that being the Printemps.
May 25, 2007

Robin
I’m afraid of rose wines because many years ago when I first started drinking wine I was given a really tasty rose that came in a really big bottle and it made me physically ill, not just for 10 or 15 minutes, but for hours. It happened twice and now I approach rose with extreme caution.
May 26, 2007

Trish da' Dish
I’m not exactly “skeered” of the pink…what often holds me back is what you just illustrated on your show. The pink, for me, is riskier on the wallet than the red and the white. I don’t buy Roses unless I’ve tried them, or someone who I trust has. Even if a lot of Roses are affordably priced, I am just too cheap to fly blind and risk repeatedly throwing out 3/4 bottles (like you essentially just did, G-Man!
May 26, 2007

1855class
way to banish the stigma of pink!
i also wanted to bring up how wonderfully rose’ pairs with food.
qotd: im not afraid…
May 26, 2007

Jen
QOTD: I have embraced the pink, my friend. Never fear! Lovin’ this one: http://www.curtiswinery.com/documents/fs_05_heritage_rose.pdf
Really interesting!
May 26, 2007

Justin S
My .02; I’m tired as crap

QOTD: I actually enjoy rose but probably wouldn’t drink it in public due to the girly factor.
May 26, 2007

JOEinLA
QOTD: I’m with Trish da Dish…every once in awhile you may come across a nice crisp dry Rose…and then maybe forget about the 10 before that that were junk.

I think that’s why Spectator and Parker and now GV’s reviews are so welcome…because you’re not “flying blind” anymore. At least SOMEOne had the wine and threw some opinion in to the mix….

I’ll take Northern italian whites any day for summer..Alto Adige…!
May 26, 2007

YoungDave
I think my laptop’s LCD screen is on the way out– it looks like all of today’s wines are PINK!!

QOTD: What am I afraid of? The sugar monster and his science-project friend Dr. Chemicals. That’s what I’ve experienced with a couple of the Rose wines that I’ve had in the past. However, as always, I’ll continue my quest to never buy the same wine twice until I’ve tried everything…even a GOOD Rose (I know their out there- maybe the Mulderbosch 2006 Rose of Cabernet Sauvignon??
May 26, 2007

vibemore
I drink pink. SO what? The “Curse of the Dreaded White Zin” has run its course as more and more people are becoming familiar with the Lady.
May 26, 2007

Kirk
QOTD: There is nothing holding me back….I had an amazing rose from Chinon the other day to celebrate the beautiful weather here in Maine. It’s fancy & cursive….but it looks like J M Raffault 12.5% it was lovely…

Also great to see you reviewing a Copain wine here Gary. When are we going to see Maynard on the show again???
May 26, 2007

TSchampaert
Drink pink too, yet, I’ve indeed always been scared of this untill I had the first good one (Chilean, Syrah, with an awful label).
QOTD: Putting me off was the RosÃ© d’Anjou hype when I was still a small boy: cloying, flabby, sweet, … awful wines.
May 26, 2007

Lars
QOTD: No quiche…no rose’ . Hey I’m a man! A lumberjack. Okay, I’ll have to give some a try. Just don’t ya be tellin’ anyone about it, der.
May 26, 2007

Robert F
QOTD: I can’t say I’ve ever had a rosÃ© that I liked besides rosÃ© champagne (i’ve never actually tried white zin). That’s probably what’s holding me back from trying more. The failure rate is just too high. Living in the Anjou for 4 months has also kind of traumatized me.
May 26, 2007

ciaobarbara
I like rose wines…but I do agree that with another comment – talking about how they are made. What makes them rose’s or what the difference between a rose and blush wine is. Are some made by blending white wine and red or just the skin to juice contact. Blends or straight up one grape type…so many things to know.
I try anything so nothing holds me back…except a bad review.
May 26, 2007

wtvLurker
deer kill episode #98 during 2004 Razon Valsacro segment – priceless.

do i get the t-shirt?
May 26, 2007

PDA
Gary – Love the dry rose for summer, its perfect with so many things. Love your show! Podcasts are perfect for the subway!
May 26, 2007

Karl Laczko
QOTD – not afraid at all, been drinking some serious Spanish Rosados for the last year thanks to the Wine Warehouse down the road from me. Unfortunately for most of you it’s in the U.K. (Spanish Spirit, if you’re in the UK check it out at http://www.spanishspirit.com ). One of their best is the Vidal del Saz, http://www.bodegasdelsaz.com – if you can find it in the USA buy it (as long as you like dry, berry-laden Pinks).
May 26, 2007

Burton
HMMMMM!!! Just curious about how alicante bouschets hay day was in white form???? Is is not one of the few varitals that has red skin and red juice??? PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!!!
May 26, 2007

VOLVONUT
SPENT MANY $$ ON ALMADEN VIN ROSE IN COLLEGE (EARLY 70′S) READ CHEAP ! GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE AND MOVED ON TO REDS. TASTES CHANGE.
May 26, 2007

maggiej
QOTD: don’t drink it often because it reminds of wine coolers I used to drink in college, BUT my mind is open.
May 26, 2007

Wine Lush
I drink rose all the time, but I could of told you in advance about the Las Rocas, I wouldn’t cook with it. If you want a rose a man could get into, do 1+1=3 Rose imported by Aurelio Cabestreros, its got a lot of good ratings and awards. Huge nose and finish.

BTW: All Europeans drink rose in the summertime by the jug fulls, there are other wines other than big california cabs out there in the world.
May 26, 2007

Mike Hale
QOTD:

Unfortunately If I am being honest … I have never tried Rose because of the perception it has. Looks like a Wine Cooler, most people say the taste is horrible, never had anyone introduce me to a good quality Rose – didn’t know they existed.

But, trying to keep an open mind … and plan on buying a Rose for sampling with my next order! Your fault!!
May 26, 2007

FredinNYC
Gary: You seem always to be in such a great mood. I’ll have what you’re having!
May 26, 2007

Sheridan
In the old days I used to find some delightful rose’s from Portugal. Have you checked those out?
It’s true that white zin has become an abomination, but when it was a new kind of wine in the pop market, some makers made a dry style like the european rose’s that were not bad at all.
May 26, 2007

Pat Mc
QOTD Not afraid of pink but drank a lot of Mateus in college (when the corkscrew broke we used a pair of scissors) — remember when it was the expensive wine?

Friend of mine had a wine tasting party for her husband’s birthday – had the 2005 Domaine Tempier Bandol. VERY nice rose. But she also had a Lafitte so who remembered to finish the rose?
May 26, 2007

chuck
Gary,
long time lurker first time caller, what about some Italian rosato say a regaleali, laprima scelta leven
May 26, 2007

FredinNYC
QOTD: I never have rosÃ©, mainly because, like others have expressed, it reminds me of my poor college days when Mateus and Lancers were the coolest!
May 26, 2007

Spanky
Not scared of the pink either. I live in Texas and when it begins to get warm, red’s can feel heavy on a Sunday afternoon. My friend has been drinking rose’s lately so I figured I’d see what it was about (ever trying to expand the pallet). Have come across Belle Glos Pinot Noir Blanc ($17) and Folie a Deux Pink ($9). Both are quite lovely, not too sweet, and leave no ill effects. I’ll be unscrewing the cap on a Montes Rose of Syrah (Chile) for the first time this evening.

Real men drink pink!
May 26, 2007

Jeff
QOTD: Nuthin’. I’m not scared of it at all. Went to a “try-before-you-buy” tasting today, tasted two exceptional rose’s and took one home with me to have on Monday.
May 26, 2007

Valentin
I would love to drink more roses but 99% of them are disappointing. Instead of fruit or other nice flavors there is nothing or sometimes a flavor like wet cardboard.
May 26, 2007

r3dwine
I love rosÃ© – whether it’s slightly sweet and fruity or dry. The only thing I am waiting for is warmer weather. Here in the SFBay area, we have had a somewhat cool spring – but come August, I’ll think pink!
May 26, 2007

Dave-from-Katonah
QOTD – not afraid..just avoiding…Maybe b/c there are so many bad pinks – as evidenced today!!!
May 26, 2007

Bobinnati
QOTD – probably ignorance, not fear. The only rose’s I’ve ever had have been alcoholic Kool-Aid and I just don’t want to drink junk like that. I did not really know that there were pink wines out there that I might enjoy.
May 26, 2007

aaronT
Not afraid of Rose wines at all. But that is a fairly recent development. I was tasting at a winery (can’t remember which) and they poured me some pink stuff (gasp). Not one to waste, I tried it and (gasp again) didn’t hate it. Since then I’ve had several “pinks” that I found quite decent, and am looking forward to opening the bottle of Mary Elke Rose in the wine fridge.
May 27, 2007

nougat
Just finished a bottle of 2003 David Bruce Petite Sirah – my score: 91, and a bit better than my “house reds”. The very best rose I’ve tasted are as enjoyable as my house wines. I will try the Printemps though. Thanks for the knowledge!
May 27, 2007

Martijn
Not much exposure to rose. My parents were big French white and red drinkers in the 70’s and 80’s when I was growing up. Perhaps the light red color somehow sends a message to the brain that it is a “weak” red. Upon tasting, one starts to associate it with a white wine. Serious identity crisis going on here. We need to accept rose as a class of its own. Go pink!
May 27, 2007

Burton
Has anyone found out how a varital that has dark skins with dark juice can become a white wine???
May 27, 2007

Dave H
Burton-

All grape varieties have essentially clear juice. The color of red wines comes from the skins, which are left in during fermentation. White wine-producing varieties tend to have yellow or green skins, but it’s basically irrelevant because the skin is filtered out before fermentation. Pink wines are produced from red varieties by leaving the juice in contact with the skins for a while before filtering them out.

White wine made from red varieties is called “vin gris” because a little bit of dusty pinkness does come through, but they are considerably lighter than normal pink wines.
May 27, 2007

Burton
There are a few dark skin grapes that have dark juice that are the exception to rule. Alicante Bouschet is one of those. I wasn’t even born in the era GV was referring to with alicante bouschet being popular in a white form. Nothing suprises me when it comes to manipulating “world class” wine…(powdered tannins, reverse osmosis, acidification, chaptisation….). I understand those but not sure about making white wine with red skins and red juice. I hope I can find out.!
May 27, 2007

Burton
to further elaborate on manipulation because most dont know: powdered artificial tannin, Penfolds Grange; reverse osmosis,certain First Growth Bordeaux; acidification, great german wines in a hot year i.e. 2003; chaptisation, great burgundies when a cool season happens and grapes dont ripen. Dont take me the wrong way. Some wines succeed in difficult vintages but some wineries have to save their ass using “artificial” methods.
May 27, 2007

wm mole
GV, thanks for WLTV live at Le Meridian. You are the best! a most enjoyable evening. Loved every second! Glad you survived the “LA welcome back” Thanks again bigtime.
May 27, 2007

Tom T.
QOTD….Not scared but frightened thanks to the boxed wines out there.
I like the pickles t-shirt better than the deer one. Hope you come out with it soon.
May 27, 2007

Jim in Atlanta
Not scared of roses. They are great for summer instead of drinking heavy reds. Just need to convince others it is safe to get into them. Thanks for featuring a few.
May 27, 2007

GottaGoDrink
Hi Gary- I’ll give the Copain a fling. Sounds very interesting.

QOTD- Now you have me drinking Rose, so I’m not afraid anymore.
May 27, 2007

Dominus
Gotta love the profile of “pink pebbles at the bottom of the aquarium after little Timmy goes to fishy heaven.” LOL

I’m a fan of the Provence roses so the Copain is a must buy. Plus, it has the nicest label.

QOTD: If ANYTHING every scared me of the pink stuff would be the infamous Beringer White Zinfandel. And since I have thrown, no, catapulted the monkey off my back (Peyton reference) and tried other roses, that is the only thing that held me back.

Have a great Memorial Day everyone and give thanks to the men and women who defend our country and our way of life.

Salute!
May 27, 2007

J Crazy
you mentioned “sugarfied” in the episode and that leads me to a question I have about wine additives: I was recently told by a winemaker that it’s illegal to chapitalize the wine by adding SUCROSE but is completely legal and, in fact, a somewhat common practice to add FRUCTOSE in the source of concentrated fruit juice. Really, how common is this? and do you think it takes away from the “art” of the craft and the quality of the wine? Also, thoughts on Mega Purple?
May 27, 2007

Dusty
one of the main reasons i don’t drink the pink stuff is because at the wine store that i worked at when i turned 21, all of the employees were red wine drinkers. i heard nothing really very good about many white wines, and especially nothing good about any pink wines. and i guess their bias has spread t o me. but after that show, i’ll see what i can do about remedying that.
May 27, 2007

J Crazy
QOTD: Pink Flamingos scared me. Scared me to my core. So much that it took hours and hours of therapy and a lot of help from my wife before I could even watch this episode. Thank you Gary for curing my fear of pink…although John Waters and Divine are two I don’t think I’ll ever get over.
May 27, 2007

Sarah L
QOTD: I’m not afraid of the French stuff it’s the US pink that scares me. I don’t know whether it will be sugary american white zinfandel style or french dry style. That’s why I prefer the french; I know what I’m getting.
May 28, 2007

Trmx2
I was a little reluctant on rose at first. But this episode defintely opened my eyes! Thanks Gary! Tori Mor vineyards in Oregon, make a great Rose.
May 28, 2007

Bill V.
QOTD – Nothing’s holding me back, Gar’ — don’t you remember many months ago, when I was singing the praises of Lancers Rose’ and Velveeta cubes?!
Man, that’s lip-smackin’ snackin’!!

Bill V.
May 28, 2007

wolfie
i’ll echo the sentiment of others on the hit & miss problem rose seems to have. i’m not afraid of it at all – i’ve currently got a few bottles of it on hand. but the problem is when i open them, the majority will smell a little fruity and kinda taste like chemicals. i’m sure the great ones are out there…. but they’re not in the stores in my area.
May 28, 2007

jason carey
there are so many good roses out there.. its a shame .. Guigal and rocas are so mass produced
here are a few good ones..
Les Porceiux : Provence
Clos Roche Blance: Loire
Vina Tondonia: spain
Domaines Fontsainte: Coteaux du Languedoc

many great ones from Provence,Tavel, Languedoc, Its sad that only one of the 4 you tried was any good
May 28, 2007

wm mole
Big Friggin WLTV LA bust party Sat night! GV comes thru bigtime after getting ripped by his limo driver and LAPD! Wow! What fun!
May 28, 2007

TagWorld Brian
Gary,
I can’t believe you came out to LA to party, and didn’t even ping me. I’m grieving today (here in sunny Santa Monica).

Definitely not afraid of the pink. Ask my wife. But as for rose, I’ve been meaning to try it. I actually own a 2005 Domaines Ott rose and a 2005 Etude Pinor Noir rose, but I haven’t had occasion yet to bring either one out of the fridge. Looking forward to it soon though.
May 28, 2007

wm mole
I sort of like the rosee’s, like Fiddlehead’s Pink Fiddle free run pinot, OK, but probably better soaked to fullness, but then of course, it would be different if it hadn’t have been bled.
On another note:Dateline Hollywood:Wine lover GV questioned for T-shirt infraction in LA, stay tuned for more.
May 28, 2007

Elliot Essman
I recently tried a half bottle of Swiss ChÃ¢teau D’Auvernier Oeil de Perdrix NeuchÃ¢tel 2005, free-run 100% Pinot Noir. Magnificent, and made me interested in going pink, though I wonder if I will be disappointed unless I get excellent guidance, or lucky again.
May 28, 2007

Kathy
I am scared of the pink because I drank too much of it out of a box in the 80’s and early 90’s
May 28, 2007

Mick Pegg
Love the show. I just hosted a Rose tasting with some friends this weekend. We tried a Coppola Sofia, a Snoqualmie Cirque de Rose, an A to Z Rose from Oregon, St Michelle’s Nellie’s Garden, a Pares Balta and a St Lauren’s Syrah Rose. Being from Washington State you can see my Northwest bias. I tried to get a bunch of die hard Cab drinkers to admit that Rose’s were a nice drink on a nice day on the deck. They didn’t buy it! In fact, with eight of us drinking and six bottles only the St Laurent got finished. In aggregat scoring the A to Z came out on top. Given its good score in the Spectator it wasn’t a surpising outcome. I thought the St Laurent had the best complexity. Anyway, thanks for the great shows and the great inspiration. Keep it up! – Mick Pegg
May 29, 2007

mike gengos
Gary-
Le Printemps means spring time and is pronounced pran ton, sort of. BTW love th pink sancerre from upstairs…nice
Mike
May 29, 2007

Halden
QOTD: I am afraid of the 10$ magnums of White Zinfandel that my wife and her classmates used to drink on Friday Nights.
May 29, 2007

brooklyni
not scared at all. drink the pink a lot, although i also wish some had more aromatic qualities. great episode, but not one rose from provence?
May 29, 2007

Sangio
Expanding our horizions, great show. Bought a case of 2003 Alderbrook Rose last year. Excellent wine syrah based. We gave some away for Xmas presents, received compliments by all. Have a few left, enjoyed them and will more Rose’s this summer.
May 29, 2007

DK44
Good show.

QOTD
I’m trying to “think pink”. Enjoyed a few at tastings even have a couple on the rack. I just don’t seem to reach for them when serving. Maybe we need more warm weather in Chi-town.

Next BBQ, promise.
May 29, 2007

Matt the Lurker
QOTD – Pink is the new black.
May 29, 2007

JayZee
Gary, I’m sure a BILLION people have already told you by now, but “printemps” is French for “spring” while “ete” is “summer”. Still, nice episode. Too bad only one was worth getting.

QOTD: The 850 bottles of red in my cellar are holding me back a little, but I do have some Tavel in the cellar as well and it is really nice with BBQ on a warm spring/summer day.
May 30, 2007

Mark K_NJ
QOTD: Nothing at all. I opened a served a 2006 Sophia Rose from Francis Ford Coppola over the weekend and it was a big hit. Purchase for $11.99 here in Central NJ and really liked it. FFC does many wines very well.
May 30, 2007

grape_ape
Glad to see the positive review on the Copain, I bought a bottle on a whim in the store a few weeks ago, guess I got lucky!
June 2, 2007

Lawrence Leichtman
Not at all scared on Pinks. Tavel Rose was one of my first tastes of non-Concord Kosher wines. That said I have had lots of bad pinks and am always looking for new ones. I have tried Roses made from almost every red grape. Many don’t cut it. The last one you reviewed sounds like a keeper so I will have to try a three-or 9-pack. At 12 bones not a bad deal at all and great with evening barbecues (well all but the brisket) what was that accent? New Joisey?
June 3, 2007

Mike Erdely
Not a big fan of Roses in general, but Jason from the Olney Beer and Wine recommended a sparkling Rose to go with ham for a family dinner and it was a huge hit. I wish I could remember what it was.

QOTD: Well, as I just mentioned, I’m not TOO scared of the pink stuff. But, usually it just reminds me of White Zinfandel. If I wanted Kool-Aid, I’d drink Kool-Aid.
June 3, 2007

Michael H
I tend to like Roses, but prefer a good white as it seems to have more on the nose and palate than a rose. I will continue to seek out some good roses that can stand up to a nice white.

QOTD — A couple of things — (1) Absolutely the fear that everyone around you thinks you are drinking white zin, and (2) I usually can’t get the aromas or flavors out of the pink stuff like I can with whites…
June 8, 2007

Sam I
I love the Jose Reyes (Mets) reference but you really should have sung it.

QOD: I’m scared it will be sweet. And if it is, I don’t want my girlfriend liking it then being stuck drinking sweet wines. I don’t have much of sweet tooth to begin with in fact sweets quickly make me feel ill. I know I know that’s strange but I was that kid who’s Halloween candy lasted almost untouched till the next year. I’ll probably pickup the Copain but Gary you’re really tapping me here and I’m also scared about one other thing. That other thing is that I won’t be able to pay my bills if I keep spending money at Wine Library at this rate. I need a frequent buyers card for you… some rewards points or something
June 9, 2007

CellarDweller
I noticed the Guigal Cotes du Rhone in the store today, and picked it up. I’m just starting to think about developing my palate, and so I *had* to know if that ‘deadly-chemical’ thing GV mentions would come through for me.

In a word, yeah. Yeah, it did. But I’m learning something, and that makes it kinda worth it! Not really, but kinda.
June 15, 2007

ChrisR
Hmmm, I’d almost be tempted to try a rose. I guess I still have some crappy pre-conceived notion that prevents me from actually taking that first step and buying a bottle.
July 18, 2007

Donald Pipkin
I have tried a few Rose wines from Europe and the U.S. and I just don’t get the rose craze.
July 30, 2007

Veronica
am having the Domaine du Dragon. A rose with cinsault and GSM. great for the summer.
August 15, 2007

nyc621
It’s tough. My husband doesn’t love the stuff, so it’s hard to sneak it in. However, I’m always expecting great things from rose and they never seem to deliver. Good example is the first wine tasted…had that a few times, gross. Also, I find the roses have these watery, flabby, flat, sad finishes. It’s like, can you give me some more? Please?! Going to seek out the last rose. Here’s hoping!
September 10, 2007

Kevin
A recent summer trip to Paris converted me. I really dig RosÃ© now, if I’m in the mood for a refreshing, crisp treat.
April 3, 2008

Chris
Le printemps means “spring” not “summer.”
July 10, 2008

Dessert Wine Nerd
Phew, 1-4. I was sure it was going to be a 0-4 day, and well all know how depressed you get when its an 0 fer day. QOTD: Nothing is holding me back. Ive had some rose wine, but Im obsessed with the sweet stuff. I have a few reds, though. But damn my sweet tooth.
June 24, 2009

Adrian
Is white zinfandel a rose?
June 30, 2009

Phredd
QOTD: I’ve found a couple of Rose wines that are pretty good. Fort Ross Rose of Pinot Noir was good. Rose wines don’t tend to be my favorite profile, though. They tend to be a little tight on the nose and a bit unfocused on the palate for me. Maybe I just haven’t had a really good one yet. I try to have one Rose at the table every Thanksgiving, though, just to keep trying. Dry rose does tend to complement turkey nicely.