Cabernet Franc From Different Places

Cabernet Franc From Different Places – Episode #406

February 12, 2008

Gary tastes 3 very serious Cabernet Franc wines 2 from Loire valley and one from California.

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Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Amirault Bourguiel La CoudrayeBourgueil
2004 Olek-mery Chinon Des TireauxChinon
2005 Larkin Cabernet FrancNapa Cabernet Franc

Links mentioned in todays episode.

Bourgeuil Pronounced Boor-Goy From Loire. – Episode #175

285 Responses

February 12, 2008

LB in KS
uno
February 12, 2008

GrapeStuff
2
February 12, 2008

topkho
top 5 !!!
February 12, 2008

MagnumGourmet
Top 5!! Woo Hoo!
February 12, 2008

*/^_^\*
*gives gary a hug*
February 12, 2008

Fiorentina!
Top 10
February 12, 2008

Adam A.
Top 10!
February 12, 2008

DT
Top 10.
February 12, 2008

thefanjestic
8 is Great!
February 12, 2008

HawkeyeOeno
so glad i made it home and episode was up, even happier because i had just been reading about cab franc.
February 12, 2008

Loweeel
Top 20! GV, I have a VA CF for you next time I stop in. It’s only 75% CF and a whole host of other cool stuff. It’s like drinking red bell pepper juice. You’d love it.
February 12, 2008

Redmeat
top 10?
February 12, 2008

Redmeat
nope ~12
February 12, 2008

Social Project Brian
Love the cab franc. Awesome.
February 12, 2008

Susan
Gary-How did you know that I LOVE Cab. Franc?????
February 12, 2008

jason
top 20
February 12, 2008

Greg Stefos
Good subject matter for today……….
February 12, 2008

GrapeStuff
QOTD: Yes!!! Will have to see what the LWS has to offer, but I will be a good Vaynerbuddy and post my TN on Monday.

Cheers, GV.
February 12, 2008

Rani Haykal
Great Show!!!

I love Cabernet Francs.

QOTD: I actually have quite a few bottles of Loire Reds and will definitely consume one this weekend, especially after this long week with exams and whatnot. Will come back and repost my thoughts at the end of the weekend.

–RH
February 12, 2008

LB in KS
i promise GV, to find a CF and report back to you.
P.S. sorry about the UNO thing, I saw an opportunity and jumped… just dumb luck
February 12, 2008

*/^_^\*
qotd: will do asap. exploring the loire is one of my wine goals for this year
February 12, 2008

MagnumGourmet
QOTD – No I will not go out and try a Loire Valley Cab Franc this weekend. Unfortunately I have a long weekend in Walla Walla planned and that is going to eat up my wine budget for a few weeks. However, I will make an effort to try a LVCF before the end of Q1.
February 12, 2008

Tom T.
I missed the top 20 so no comment today.
February 12, 2008

Fiorentina!
Hey Gary-
Somehow I knew that this ep. would be one that you’d really get into…just like the PV ep.
Probably the most interesting thing I noticed today (and I don’t know why I didn’t notice it sooner) is that you are honest 100% of the time. For instance….after having Larkin’s Cab. Franc…you picked up your stress football and started saying all the things you liked about the wine, until the oak monster came out. Yet, for some strange reason, I know that you wanted to spit out the wine and just say you didn’t like it. Still…as you clearly put it… Larkin is your friend and I can competely understand the “walking on eggshells” approach to evaluating his wine. In the end, I really hope that he appreciates your honesty….everyone has an opinions, but I think that he would value yours alittle more than mine.
PS 120 my 120
February 12, 2008

jason carey
Lets love the old and new world,, as brothers.. not wildly swinging between them, but embrace both.
February 12, 2008

Danny C
QOTD: Will do…I actually tried to get my girlfriend to pick up a Cab Franc from Strong Island, but she didn’t. Oh well…
February 12, 2008

Palmer
harsh. but gotta love the honesty from GV. also gotta love throwing the plus on the 86, never seen that before.

“bitch! I can’t go left!!!”
February 12, 2008

Robin C
qotd: I will try a Loire valley cab franc, but possibly not this week. I’m cooking and selecting wines for Valentine’s Day, and we have a champagne party this Saturday, and I’m still recovering from the cold/flu thing. Also, I’m not excited about the farmer’s market aspect, but I’ll try it.
Get off the web for at least Valentine’s Day.
February 12, 2008

Brandon T.
Loire makes me think of awesome sweet honey oily juice and the vegetables are dirty with soy sauce and green raw beans and red beet roots and i just want to see gary slather cabernet frac grapes all over the excellent bum of a pretty model and they could all laugh and recite poems about the veggies and get close to jouissance with great sexuality?
February 12, 2008

Redmeat
Sorry GV,,,,no room in the budget for a LV Cab Franc this week,,,,this week I am going to a Andrew Will tasting(Chris is even going to be there)and I have only enough for some of his wine,,,,,I will Remember and have one soon, as I have tried our local ones(Washington) and enjoyed them in the past.

Always a bummer to have to tell a buddy his product is not so good,,,,I have friends who are brew masters and have to tell them this from time to time,,,,,never an easy thing to do.
February 12, 2008

VinoPhilosopher
GV drops the B-bomb!…the cab franc makes him crazy!
February 12, 2008

Evan
QOTD: Packing my bags and jumping on that ship with grandpa! I’m already hooked on the idea of smelling a wine that can come close to the heavenly aromas that pour out of my mom’s sauce pots! That means these babies sure have a lot to live up to, though
February 12, 2008

Panosh
Heading out now to try and find one. Will comment later if I do.
February 12, 2008

thefanjestic
Ok – I have to ask – CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A “Bitch I Can’t Turn Left!” T-Shirt?

Best WLTV quote ever.
February 12, 2008

Gonzo
Where’s the WA Cab Franc? Walla Walla has some tastee offerings. Thanks for the ep.
February 12, 2008

Dr T from N. Carolina
QOTD — sorry, still not my flavor profile (all the greeness). Although I do sometimes like the funk — sippin’ a Fer right now that has it big time.

“T”
February 12, 2008

jason
i am still feelin my way through chino and cab franc. i have not given up on it, but it doesn’t tickle my elmo. i bout some charles joguet, les varennes du grand clos 05. i have not tapped it yet, but when it is mature, i look forward to it. i am trying.
it is a tough deal to drop some major constructive criticism on your buddies but i commend you for doing it. it could have been easy to say it is great, buy 2 cases!
QOTD: i will go out and get some. there are some that i have been checkin out.i told myself no french wine for 2 weeks with the exception for vday with some champagne : )
bravo
February 12, 2008

chenrys
We’ve had Cab Franc but not from Loire Valley. It would be an educational experience.

QOTD: Probably not this weekend…Seeing as it is the weekend after valentines day and we aren’t going to have much time to celebrate during the week. We are pretty much looking to enjoy a wine that we both think is DELICIOUS…maybe a zinfandel. But we will look for it in the future.
February 12, 2008

Marc
OK, you twisted my arm…which doesn’t take much! Cab Franc this week is now the plan.
February 12, 2008

Cma82
YEEAAH…every Aussie Shiraz dreams at night of one day becoming a Chinon.

QOTD: I’ll absolutely drink a Loire Cab Franc for you over the next couple days. I think out of the two cases of wine I have in my little “cellar”, five of them are Cab Franc!
February 12, 2008

Dominus
Honesty, even though it may come at the expense of a “friend” is why the Vayner Nation adores you. Thank you for a great show and one that enlightens us.

QOTD: I promise to put some “funk de funk that smells like a skunk in the trunk” this weekend and leave a tasting note.

Cheers!

P.S. You hit the nail on the head, the pill out of the park on the CARM. Glad I waited for it. Very nice. I may take a bottle to a friendly wine tasting soon.
February 12, 2008

Glen... winecrazy.com
Yes….I will.

Can you email me your suggestion?

Thanks brother!
February 12, 2008

Kristen
Mission to be accomplished bro. Will get back with my tasting notes soon!

Cheers,
KP
February 12, 2008

Neil
QOTD: Yes.
February 12, 2008

AngioRanger
Re: qotd: Definitely will try to seek one out this weekend.
Today was a great example of why WLTV rocks (fun, instructive and with honesty and integrity). Saying exactly what you thought about the Larkin bottle took guts but its exactly why I watch. No bs, but straight from the heart. Thanks GV!:)
February 12, 2008

Primo Bo
G – Im drinking Cab Franc tonight. I love the Franc.
February 12, 2008

KVolk
QOTD: If I can find one I will definitely try and report back…not a lot of variety here on the plains.

GV you need to do a show with a live audience this year. Not just the drive by audience you get in the office but a serious vayniac attended live show. I think it would be HUGE!!
February 12, 2008

Benjamin
QOTD: Sorry man, but 1: I can’t drop 20 bucks on a single bottle of wine, 2: the
“old world” taste absolutely does not appeal to me, and 3: there are a million (well, 20-30) other wines that I need to try asap.

Hell, I enjoyed the episode though. Funky vegetables in the rain, wet dog and cow shit- sounds familiar. Maybe if I drink a shot of pure everclear and my tastebuds burn out I’ll enjoy the funk. I’ll bookmark this episode and put it in my “to try in one year” folder.
February 12, 2008

Bota Bag
Dude, that’s like 10 episodes in a row…every day…you know we appreciate that…so Loire cab franc is on the way…thanks GV.
February 12, 2008

Marc Bienvenue
” I promess gary …i gonna try a carbarnet franc!!
February 12, 2008

Social Project Brian
You got it, Gary. I’ll try to have a Boorgoy with my Poorboy this weekend.

Ruthlessly honest about the Larkin, and he’s your buddy! You’re a brave soul – a lesser person might have just avoided trying it on camera, in case he didn’t like it. But that’s why you get the respect, GV.
February 12, 2008

ChiTown
QOTD: I accept the challenge
February 12, 2008

Plminer
Great stuff GV, gotta love the Loire Valley! Way to bag your buddies wine, geeeez, sometimes a little white lie is good, poor guy just got lambasted in front of 30,000 people. Kidding, gotta do what you do bro.
QOTD: Yes, my pleasure!
February 12, 2008

Susan
Gary-Was that Ian making all of that noise opening those wines??? Taping some eps, eh???
February 12, 2008

Taylor
Great show I thought it was gonna be 3 for 3, its all good though considering you could buy 3 for 1 of those.
QOTD I have had Cab Franc from the Loire and they usually rock, if i see one i’ll pick it up and bring back more love.
February 12, 2008

Scott from Salt Lake
Kudos to giving an honest review on the Larkin CF. For $60 it better rock someones socks off.

QOTD: I’ll drink a Chinon tonight!
February 12, 2008

Dave Canada
Friends are falling by the wayside……think shawn will talk to you again……
QOTD – yeah, yeah…I’m on it.
February 12, 2008

Kirk (Slave2thevine)
Gary, great show….and great to see some Cab Franc’s on the show…however my answer to your question is no. Not this week…I’m on hold from buying new wines for a month or so…and I’m on a white kick…not feelin’ the reds right now. It’s just a for now thing…
February 12, 2008

JC
I’m sure to have a few in the cellar. I’ll try to pop one this weekend. Yeah, A “Bitch, I can’t Turn Left” t-shirt would be awesome!
February 12, 2008

Susan
Gary- LOVE the sound of the Old World characteristics of the 2005 Amirault Bourguiel La Coudraye !!
February 12, 2008

Sharon
I’ll try a Cab Franc some time, sure! Even if I don’t generally enjoy green peas up in my grille. I still think it’s funnier what you said yesterday’s show: ‘Ask your Alsatian uncle Jorge’. GV you come up with the most off-the-wall stuff out of that Russian-American cranium .
February 12, 2008

Bryan from Boston
I’m a huge fan of Cab Franc, especially form the Loire. Great show today.

I always find in a great cab franc a note of black olives. *shrug*.

Good to meet you at the Wine Expo this weekend, chief. Keep it rocking.
February 12, 2008

Scott F
QOTD: Yes…I will try to find a Cab Franc.

Good episode, I don’t know a lot about this grape, and have not tried it as a main varietal (only had it in blends). But like so many times before, you have inspired me to seek out this juice, and give it a whirl. Cheers!
February 12, 2008

David Harris
I drank that same bottle of bourguiel during dinner before watching the show tonight.

I didn’t notice any funk! Just really beautiful fruit and maybe a hint of strawberry leaves.

My parents who only buy low end california wine loved it. So I think that schtick about not very many newbies liking it was a little off.

Great show,
David
February 12, 2008

AVP
I was like so ahead of your train and had Loire Valley CF last frida. It was 2001 Chinon La Baronnie Madeleine from Couly-Dutheil – it was mighty good and very suitable for all sorts of foods. A very good acidity.

Thanx for another fine show with interesting wines!
February 12, 2008

yowens
GV- thanks for the Cab Franc episode, I’m a fan but the girly is not and this will help us sort out new wines. QOTD: Its on the wish list. I can not promise this weekend, but soon. I’ll email you when we have one.
February 12, 2008

Anthony M
GV,

I just had a Chinon cab franc on Sunday (2/10/08) It was my first cab franc and did very well against a tamarack cellars cab franc. Good Show!!!!

A-Town
February 12, 2008

Scoot70
Have only tried one cab franc (st. supery) and was not impressed. Will go to the local wine shop and get a loire valley one this week. I promise. Way to keep up the integrity of the show. (Although I was pumped by the name…Larkin..best shortstop EVER!)
February 12, 2008

JimKay
Hey! 2005 Mabileau Loire CF was the forum WOTM tasting this past June. I think we all liked it. How about tasting the 2006 version that you have in stock -OR- the 2006 Owen Roe Oregon Cab Franc. That would be an interesting wine to check out.
February 12, 2008

Cookiedds
2004 Domaine de Pallus Chinon. I love this wine, it’s like having a petite canape of wild mushroom duxelle with a splash of tomatoe puree and then setting a 2 pound giant dill pickle on top. Cab Francs are wonderful wines, very adaptable with lots of foods and great on their own.
February 12, 2008

Mike Z in SD
Sean has gotta respect you for your candor, GV. Maybe he’ll even ease up on the monster.
I will promise you that I’ll go to the local wine shop this weekend and check out their selection of Loire reds. I can tell you that I had a Chinon about 6-7 years ago and I think I wasn’t ready… too vegetal, and not fruity enough for me at the time. Maybe time to revisit.
February 12, 2008

Bob Sikorski
I never had a Cab Franc, but I will try one. By watching your shows I have learned that trying different wines is like looking at at painting from a different angle. OK, I admit that it sounds hokey, but each wine varietal is all part of a puzzle, and you have to look at each piece before you can put the puzzle together.
February 12, 2008

Tony V.
QOTD: Nice timing GV, I ordered a Chinon today before watching. ‘04 Langlois Chateau Chinon Les Mont Rouge. Dont know anything about. PROMISE I’ll write back when I taste it this week…
February 12, 2008

Scott EJ
GV…keeping it real. I’m sure your bud understands/

Don’t do too much Loire as most of our wine marts focus on the usual regions: Bord, Burg, Rhone. That has got to change. I’ve picked up more “obscure” wines from you in my short few of watching you than I ever have from my local places and I live in a pretty big market (Chicago). Why…you may ask. ‘Cause they do not have your selection. Sams/Binnys pale in comparison to WL. Which is why I say it would be a major move for you to take a look at opening up a shop out here. It would kill. And, with 06/01 looming large….it could not hurt.

I picked up a two’fer of Chinon from you a while back. The one with the two dogs on it. Not sure if it’s a cab frtanc, but, I’ll crack one this weekend in your honor anyway.

Cya tomorrow.
February 12, 2008

Susan
Gary- I would LOVE it if you did “Loire Valley TV”!!! I am there, right now!!!
February 12, 2008

The Original Marc
QOTD: That episode really makes me want to pop my Bourguiel that I have right now. Hmm… I’ll consider it, and if not now, I will this weekend.

I’m batting .500 so far in my lifetime for Loire Cab Franc (1 for 2). I can’t wait for the rubber match.
February 12, 2008

Wayne Y
Gary,

I have a few cases in the cellar of cab franc Loire Valley wines all 90-92 points rating. How much bottle age will be good for the 2005’s or is it a drink now deal?

Thanks
Wayne
February 12, 2008

Marshall
QOTD:I live in Wisconsin and I’ve already tried the one Cabernet Franc that I can get a hold of. By the way I loved it! I wish I could buy more, but what are you gonna do.
February 12, 2008

brent
Thanks for getting to two wines on my wishlist GV! Had the ‘05 Mabileau St.-Nick-de-Bourgueil from ep. 175 this past weekend, and will most likely be opening up another bottle of La Noblaie Chiens-Chiens this coming weekend. Loving the values in Loire Reds!
MONTREAL IS DOWN WITH THE GV!
February 12, 2008

Dr. G
I’ve really enjoyed the old world style wines when I’ve been allowed to have them (other than my Dad who’s three states away, too many friends and family seem to prefer the fruit bombs), and your description of the first two were very intriguing. In fact . . .QOTD: in just a few moments I’m going to head out the door and down to one of the local wineshops to see what I can find.
February 12, 2008

kazu
yes gary..
February 12, 2008

KyleLikesTies
WLTV was the best part of my otherwise somewhat crappy day … Cab
franc is by *far* my favourite grape (I LOVE when it brings the
Brussel sprouts, green pepper, mushrooms, and a
damp-leaves-in-autumn-in-the-sun smell I smelt on a certain afternoon
when wandering through the woods when I was young(er).), and it’s been
WAY too long since I’ve popped a bottle. On the other hand, I’m
super-sad because I don’t have any here … Guess what I’m doing
tomorrow :~}

QoTD: Absolutely! I promise to buy (and drink!!!) a cab franc
(probably from Loire … have to see what I can find at a price point
I can afford) … but I can’t promise I’ll wait until this
weekend ;~}!

Oh, I just watched _Sideways_ the other day … and noticed that he
nothing good to say about cab franc … but worshipped his bottle of
Cheval Blanc … Rather funny.
February 12, 2008

daverdude
Gary Dont be so apolagetic
for telling it like it is on the larkin **

Again’ another example of the puplic getting Dupped
( or should I say PARKED )as you expose the FARSE That these wine Gurus
control with Thier scores and Outrageous controll over pricing $$

Wine need’s Heroes
Not Zeros

GOOD WORK !
February 12, 2008

Katherine
QOTD: I’ll definitely go out and find one this week!
February 12, 2008

Robert Dhu
Could it be when you talk about the dirty vegetal smell it sounds like it might be the silo smell!
February 12, 2008

Orville B
Will try to find one here in the great wild Northern West.

Might have better luck finding the Larkin though

JB
February 12, 2008

Martin
Yes I promise. Well, maybe next weekend. This weekend we’re going to a wedding – open bar!
February 12, 2008

John Farrin
POTD: I have only had one bottle of Cabernet Franc in my life (2004 Domaine de la Noblaie Chinon â€˜Les Chiens-Chienâ€™) and it was the most miserable wine experience of my life. I’m truly hoping that it was corked. I was sharing it with a great-grandma type and I was worried that I might have killed her. I poured 3/4 of the bottle down the drain. I have two more bottles of it and only YOU could get me to open another one of them. Seriously, I can’t imagine anyone who loves wine liking the way that first bottle smelled or tasted. Let you know Monday.
February 12, 2008

Shadowbird
QOTD: No promises. It’s out of my price range.
February 12, 2008

Kristen
GV, you are totally a Picture Painter- every single glass of wine you taste is painted with a description! That’s why the Vayner Nation loves to hear your descriptions.

QOTD: Well twist my arm GV…I guess I’ll go out and find one this weekend. Some of the chinons that I’ve had in the past were too acidic for me, but maybe I’ll find one that is friends with my PAL.
February 12, 2008

familydoc
QOTD: No promise here. We are heading to Walla Walla this weekend, where we may very well taste a Cab Franc, but it won’t be Loire. We’ll hit it soon…..
February 12, 2008

Patrick
I will definitely be looking for either of the first two, sounds very intriguing. Might be really difficult though thanks to Kentucky law not allowing me to get wine shipped to me..
February 12, 2008

Withnail
QOTD: No. I can’t make that promise this week. But I have noted it for future buying reference.
I hope you didn’t lose a friend today. (Sean.)
Bring back the Butter Bandit!
February 12, 2008

John Z
Awesome episode, great choice for a varietal that seems very underrated.

I’m planting some Cab Franc vines in my backyard this spring!
February 12, 2008

jfoobar
While I can’t promise I will drink one this week, I regularly drink Chinon and have 3 in my wine fridge right now. I used to hate-hate-hate Cab Franc until I tried Chinon and not only do I love Loire reds now, I am a much bigger fan of new world Cab Franc as a result, such as the decent versions made in Virginia. I have been disappointed with most the Cali versions I have tried, however. Too overdone.

By the way guys, it is spelled BourguEIL, you have the I and the E reversed in the film and on the wine links list.
February 12, 2008

Tommy Vernieri
I don’t know GV, we have one Loire Cab Franc in the house–the Domaine de la Noblaie Les Chiens-Chiens. Neither of us “got it” on the first bottle we had a few months ago so we’re planning on holding on to that one until next year.

The Barboursville (Virginia) 2002 CF didn’t do much for us. We loved the Lang & Reed (California) 2002 CF (twice), green bell pepper and jalapeÃ±o all day long.

We didn’t plan on buying any more wine this month but our Total Wine (the only local place with online inventory) has a few Cab Francs for $10-$15. Any of these jump out at you?
Domaine Semellerie Chinon and three from Sauvion: Cabernet D’Anjou (70% CF, 30% CS), Les Roches Cachees, and Saumur Champigny.
February 12, 2008

Little Jonny H
Lovin’ the old world. I can’t say I’ve had a loire valley red, maybe I’ll splurge this weekend…

QOTD: One day when the dollar gets straightened up, or I start makin’ more dough I’ll be able to afford a loire valley red for everyday type drinking
February 12, 2008

t_moderne
No promises from me. I have had Chinon and wondered why i did. Did not enjoy the funky barnyard. tasted like the feet of the old dude who stomped on the grapes. I think that old world flavor comes from funky old cellars and funky old barrels and is not a sign of terroir.
But hey, that’s my “pal” talking. And I do not believe GV reads all the comments.
February 12, 2008

Terrance Young
Haven’t got my Cab Franc yet but already on top of it GV. I absolutely positively love and adore the living daylights out of Loire Valley Cab Francs. Next time go tri-force on our asses and bring an Anjou onboard. Long live the vegetable funked de funky funk!

Terrance ‘the uni man from Kobe’
February 12, 2008

Mark Fitzpatrick
Gary,

AWESOME show! You had me reaching through the screen practically to grab the Bourgueil and Chinon. And of course, Sold Out. But that’s a good thing…And tellin’ Mom, “That’s not how I roll,” on the dirt bomb veggies out the market. Classic my friend.

Fitz
February 12, 2008

Ben F
GV I would totally seek out one of the first two wines but I just Checked the PLCB’s website and non are availble in my area… I wish we had a wine Library…
February 12, 2008

David Dadekian
QOTD: I could promise that.

I have to throw this out, there is a vineyard near my home in CT, Stonington Vineyards, that makes decent wine. Not fantastic, but decent. Unfortunately, as is common with most small vineyards outside major wine areas, the wines are also priced more toward $20, which makes the decent wines have a generally bad QPR. However, they make a Cab Franc that I really enjoy. I missed out on the recent vintage which bummed me out.
February 12, 2008

winecliff
QOTD- Yes I promise…
Friends beware: Call GV back or he will blast your wine on WLTV! hahaha
February 12, 2008

pete c
QOTD- promise!
February 12, 2008

jseeds
Bring on the Loire valley tv. I love the whites and the reds for value, complexity,and surpise flavors.
qotd: absolutely – an 03 coudraye has my name on it.
btw: did the oak monster bring the VANILLA VILLAIN?
February 12, 2008

ryang
HAHAHA “Bitch I can’t turn left!!!” oh man. was laughing almost for the rest of the show. and oh yea I promise to do something, drink some wine this weekend I guess….. Loire valley. got it.
February 12, 2008

DC Devil
I can do that…I actually have two Chinons (1990 Raffault and 2004 Chiens-Chiens) that I keep meaning to crack, but never get around to it. Now I have a reason.
February 12, 2008

purplejuicebruce
Yes will seek one out and report back …you slave driver!
February 12, 2008

damon aka unknownwine
I’ve had that Bourguiel before. Can’t remember much though. I’ll have to run out and get another.

I saw a new wristband!!
February 12, 2008

Rice
QOTD: Yes, if I can find one local by this weekend. Sacramento is so… [blankity blank blank] tainted by Napa and California Central Valley wines. It’s slim pickin’s to find wines made west of Nevada.
February 12, 2008

Robert Howells
I have tried the Chinon and it was interesting to say the least. If you are used to drinking fruit bombs this will shock your palate
February 12, 2008

kaybee
QoTd
OK I promise I’ll try a cab franc, but it won’t be this week because we live in the wilderness. Thanks for the honesty, not sure the funky funk is for me.
February 12, 2008

TD
QOTD: Nope, not happenin… I’ll do it soon though, maybe before Spring cause I like those cab francs….

Love’d the show today though, don’t take the QOTD response personally… You still the (incredibly short) man.
February 12, 2008

Phil M'Glassup
All hail cab franc.
February 12, 2008

Skol
I love Cab Franc’s and specifically ones from the Loire.
I am probably going to try some Long Island ones this week.
Nice episode. Keep exploring good values! We appreciate it.
February 12, 2008

Hugh
Got one in hand…will try it…..now i’m sure Sean will call u
February 12, 2008

Fine Whine
Call me a cab. Franc
February 12, 2008

Blake
QOTD: You better believe I will…Look for my comment in a few days! GO FUNK! The funk in a wine is something to love, as is a style of music where the bass guitar takes the forefront.
February 12, 2008

Obama_Man
I’ll see, GV!
February 12, 2008

jahlove
QOTD: Dude you are preaching to the require. Loire reds (and whites) are regular weekday wines for me. The only other region in France that brings that kind of value is Lanquedoc/Roussillon. Let people keep drinking supermarket junk from Australia and Cali. Keeps prices down where the real action is.
February 12, 2008

Nathan
QOTD: Unfortunately, the local HEB is the only place right around here to get wines. If I make a road trip this weekend I may be able to stop by the wine store a couple towns away and if so I will pick one up and get back to you.
February 12, 2008

MonkuWino
QOTD: Half promise. Not this week, but I do promise to try one because I really want to! I’ve never had a 100% or predominantely Cab Franc. At least I don’t remember having one. I’d like to try it, though.
February 12, 2008

terry
thanks man..i will seek out chinon and lorie and bit more
February 12, 2008

Grapedigger
I am not too hot on veggies but I’ll try a Loire Cab Franc this weekend..you got me interested! Cheers
February 12, 2008

Genghis
I really wanna cut out the “Cab Franc Hour” introduction and post it on DiGG as “Gary V abandons WLTV…” etc. Great episode Gary, keep it up with the love at the vino biblioteca.
February 12, 2008

malliemcg
I’ll definitely try and find a Loire Valley Cab Franc and report back my thoughts, but I like not my chances in this town

M
February 12, 2008

tuscanbob
I’ll definitely jump into a Loire Cab Franc and report back. I haven’t had any, but I’ve had plenty from the Finger Lakes and the North Fork of LI. They’re usually nothing to get too excited about…..BUT…

I’m currently making 5 gallons of Cab Franc (along with 5 gallons of Pinot Noir and 5 gallons of Riesling). 2007 was an EXCELLENT year for Finger Lakes grapes, especially the reds and particularly Cab Franc….should be superior to any year in decades. Hot days, cool nights and a looooong season with no rain around harvest time brought the usually underipe Cab Franc to full ripeness. 25 day maceration has yielded some great color. Can’t wait…plan to bottle this fall and pop the first bottle around Christmas. If it’s as good as I expect it will be I’ll fire you off a bottle.
February 13, 2008

Lenny
It’s a category that I like and I am going to a wine tasting tomorrow so I will try a few and get back to you.
Cheers, LB
February 13, 2008

TROC
Truth will never break a friendship. The problem is most people’s Pal love the Bombs, and are unwilling to go thru a short term palate adjusting period for long term wine pleasure. Trusting your Pal’s one thing, understanding quality is another(that’s not being snobby, is it?) I can’t say I’ve tried a Cab Franc, I thought it was mostly a blending grape, hope I find a good one.
February 13, 2008

DJB
Glad to hear you read posts on older episodes. I usually am a day or two behind, and never leave a post because I thought I had missed the boat. On to today’s episode. My wife, baby son and I went to Walla Walla for our 6th anniversary. We tried some really good wines. For dinner I had a a Cab Franc from Cougar Crest Winery. I was thoroughly impressed. Good fruit, and lots of veggies. For 38 dollars I am excited to try some cheaper Cab Franc’s from the Loire.
February 13, 2008

CoolHandLuke
Will definitely be getting a Cab Franc this weekend. My family is going to Cyrus this weekend in Heaglesburg (spelling?) My cousin is taking the last step to become a master sommelier so they are up there to support her.
February 13, 2008

organicmexican
GV- During the episode we ran into our stash because I thought I had one and I pulled out a Loire Bourgueil 2005 we bought on a recommendation from our wine shop (also from Peter Weygandt). We decided to open it Valentines Day and cook a good dinner at home to go with it. Oh we cant wait!! Will post follow up in a few days….
February 13, 2008

Phil G
QOTD – No, I won’t be drinking a Red from the Loire this weekend. BUT, my girlfriend, Abby, and I were in the Loire valley in 2006 and tried a bunch of local reds – mostly Chinon. We brought a bunch of wine back with us (when you could still carry on wine) and I think there may still be one bottle left. We will enjoy it soon, I promise that!
February 13, 2008

MattyO
good heavens! the “bitch i can’t turn left” thing…HILARIOUS! i almost cried cause i laughed so hard…ok…ok…the vino. honestly, i have been seeking out da fank-da-funk for a while now just out of curiosity. i want to experience the funk, the veggies, the stink, all that stuff. so maybe this is the route.

great episode. “ripping” good show! radool out the ass! keep kickin ass mott and gary! we love ya!
February 13, 2008

Erik Klumpp
Definitely going to be hitting up the cab franc this weekend. I was wondering about some food pairings with his bad boy. Since it is so vegetable would it go well with red meat? I was also thinking a nice pasta, don’t know, but this was a fantastic show. Keep up the good work. And take a break man.
February 13, 2008

Hamid
I can’t promise to try out these wines because I’ve already declared this weekend “Dessert Wine Extravaganza.”
February 13, 2008

The Adam Bomb
I have had a few Cab Francs from Loire. A Chinon (rose & red), a Bourgueil, and one we pour by the glass at my restaurant. Out of the three I liked the Bourgueil most, it had the most complexity, though the rose from Chinon was (and still is) quite a treat.
February 13, 2008

Chad
QOTD: I promise… I will be at Sam’s Wine and Spirits in Chicago this weekend.. oops, should I not mention their name on this site? I will look for one and then repost.
February 13, 2008

davidB
Love the fact that you’re honest enough to pazzzz on a friends wine, that shows us all something about your character. I will go out a find Loire Cab Franc. Last time I was in Napa I asked around at various wineries if they had a CF, and almost all said nada and that not much is grown the Valley. I love CF and have some downstairs but they are all Cali wines, not Loire. Try Francis Ford C’s, very nice but a tad pricey.
February 13, 2008

Rhonda
QOTD: maybe not this week, but very soon!!!
February 13, 2008

Troytee
A brigade of vegtables! I guess that makes you the General of the Veg wine army. Power to the PAL’s
February 13, 2008

David L
No, I will not promise, but I will look. And if I do find it I will post a comment. I do want to try one I just have to find it.

David
February 13, 2008

Lysa Marie
QOTD – Gary, if I can find a Cab Franc that fits my “I-just-graduated-college” budget, I’ll give it a whirl.
February 13, 2008

John Watson
QOTD: no promises, but I’ll try to find one at the shop for my Friday afternoon tasting.
February 13, 2008

Chateau_Plonk
Kudos for doing a show on cab franc! Picked up a case of Catherine et Pierre Brenton Bourgueil last year. World class wine. 15 bucks a bottle (before the case discount!). Brought some Cougar Crest CF recently too which is over the top and new world styled, but who doesn’t drinking their pie once in a while?
February 13, 2008

Syrahhhhhhhhh
Heck yeah, I’ll promise. I had a Cab Franc from Washington tonight before I saw the show (nice coincidence) and it was green bell pepper, jalapeÃ±o, and the FUNK, like the inside of my 1979 Puma sneak. I will try the Loire and see how it does and repost here.
February 13, 2008

sobojosh
QOTD: yeah sure what the hell. It might be a rose some anjou
February 13, 2008

4four1ones
Trying to imagine celery….and…radishes. I’m gonna need to have a talk with my pal. I will see what I can do.

VAYNIACS – GO HERE and THUMB UP THE DEFINITION OF VAYNIAC at urbandictionary.com
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vayniac
February 13, 2008

CRZYWinemaker
Another killer Thunder show GV. I’m very curious to seek out these Loire valley Cab Francs. I’ve had some Graves wines that have a lot of the earthy, pepper characteristics as wines do with blends of Cab Franc, but can’t recall the level of veggie characteristics you’re getting from the Chinon and Bourgeil. I’ll seek one out and let you know what I think ?
Thanks for keeping it real with the Larkin, tough to bust on a friends vino, but you have to be true to your pal for sure, thx ~ Max
February 13, 2008

Withnail
Does Cab Franc from the Loire count as a serving of vegetables?
February 13, 2008

Pardus
I have always loved Cab. Franc, but never had anything from Loire valley. I am running up to Austria this week, so I will see if I can find anything from the Loire valley.
February 13, 2008

ERP
Petite Verdot- after your ranting/raving and pounding it into me to try it, I did over the weekend. What a nice funky wine… I was getting a meaty roasted tomato (read ragu) nose, yeah my friends gave me a funny look but thanks to Wine Library I was OK saying it.
February 13, 2008

downtnmark
QOTD: I am going to be defiant.

I like the chocolaty, smoky style of cab franc. My favorite was the 2004 Hess Collection. A wonderful wine is the 2004 Chappellet Pritchard Hill Cab Franc, but it is nothing like the Hess. I think that overall, 2004 was probably the best year recently (in California) for cab francs. 2005 is turning out to be more of a merlot/cabernet sauvignon year. I’m curious how the 2004 Larkin compares to the 2005.
February 13, 2008

Kevin
I’ve really been on the look out for a vegetal cab franc. The last cab franc i had was from the okanagan; it tasted like cherry cotton candy and maple smoked bacon. it was nice but i was really looking forward to the herbaceousness
February 13, 2008

madange
Hi Gary,
Can’t we keep Loire Valley Cab Francs to ourselves? Oh well. I just had a lovely ‘03 Saumur the other night…mmm, bring da funk, da veg, da berries, and da cacao baby!
Hey Syrahhhhhhhhh,
What Washington Cab Franc did you have?
Thanks.
February 13, 2008

fatdoi
great show GV….. if you’re reading this, got a question for you
in jesper hill, you tried the georgia’s paddock quite sometime ago….. but the top of the range is emily’s paddock, shiraz with small blend of cab franc…. is it similar to shiraz viognier blend but this one gives more depth instead of brightness?
February 13, 2008

chenin
Hey GV, stop it already!
Loire, Languedoc, Faugeres… you’re driving up demand for my favorite wines.
Having said that, I think Cabernet Franc from the Loire will be a bit off-putting for many people not familiar with it.
February 13, 2008

Henning a.k.a Plastikstuhl
QOTD: I’ll try to.
February 13, 2008

Paulie says
I’m not trying to break your balls here kid, but isn’t “grounded meat” more like a steak that’s got no beefs, or a burger that’s wired to the ground? Ha ha. And by the way, when are you going to the french countryside again so we can get some more reports on what it’s like over there? You’re doin’ good, keep it up.
February 13, 2008

PhilB
Hey GV!!

Everybody knows you rock. Hard. But I think we all realized how much you DO rock when we have an event that allows us to realize that on a whole new level. Had a blind tasting with friends this week. One of them brought what is arguably one of the best Chinons, Philippe Aliet’s Coteaux du NoirÃ© 02. As soon as I put my nose in the glass, I told myself : “Man, would GV love this wine!” Full of wet earth and dirty veggies, almost no fruit, it was awesome!And I easily guessed the Cab Franc grape and got the appelation too, I was really proud!
Anyhow, keep up the good work!

PhilB
February 13, 2008

YoungDave
QOTD: I got 1 Chinon and 1 Bourguiel in my “cellar” and it’s time- I’m popping one of them this week! (I’ll let you know how it was with a retroactive comment here.)
February 13, 2008

Jack
QOTD: Atlanta Fine Wine Festival this weekend… I’ll be looking for the CFs.

Is Larkin still your friend… perhaps you can pull him out from under the bus now.
February 13, 2008

JordanW
QOTD: Sorry man. I’m off on a snowboard trip this week and already have 5-6 wines picked out. Maybe when I get back.

PS, kudos on calling em as you see em… I respect a friend much more who can tell me what he really thinks without worrying about my ego.
February 13, 2008

NathanN
Itâ€™s time to stock up on the Chinon again. Wife and I love this stuff with pizza. Itâ€™s almost like we canâ€™t eat pizza unless we are having a bottle from Chinon. Never had one before ep 200 but now itâ€™s one of our go to regions.
February 13, 2008

SoCal
Props to you G for telling like it is….I could see that you really wanted to like the Larkin….but you kept it real…..Do you think he had to add the Oak due to overripeness or sourcing inferior grapes?

QOTD: We don’t get much CF down here from france….mostly Bordeaux….. but I do have 3 bottles left of the 2005 Frederic Mabileau Saint-Nicolas-de-Bourgueil Les Rouilleres that I got from WL so perhaps I will pop one soon…….
February 13, 2008

Dom
I love Cab Franc! There are some great Cab Franc examples in Canada, especially some small producers in Niagara on the Lake. Tawsw, Chateau des Charmes, featherstone just to name a few! Hey Gary, how about a Niagara on the Lake episode?
February 13, 2008

J Crazy
Damn dude, “mescaline salad”?! I think I tried some of that in college.

QOTD: Mos definitely.
February 13, 2008

PFORTY
FWIW, I still want to try wines from Larkin!

QOTD: Absolutely, I’m headed to the Wine Store this afternoon, will find a Loire Red and leave a comment!
February 13, 2008

Yoni Rabkin
QOTD: Let’s see me do it.
February 13, 2008

Ken T
Have 4 or 5 in the cellar. I will try 2!!!
February 13, 2008

Adam J
Just wanted to leave my first comment, I recently discovered the show and watch for a few weeks as a “lurker” but subscribed during the time that I believe you said a lot of lurkers came out about a week ago. I absolutely love the show and the passion GV brings to it. Most definately going Loire Red hunting…I believe there is even a local winery that produces Cab Franc in a Chinon style! Thanks!
Adam J
February 13, 2008

MB Dallas
QOTD: Actually, just picked up a Cab Franc from Italy. Will have to try one from Loire valley too. I read somewhere that Italian Cab Francs from Friuli are actually Carmenere. Is this true?
February 13, 2008

RieslingRon
Hi Gary,

I have a Chinon at home that I’ve not tried yet. I’m on vacation down south and will look for a red Loire to try this weekend.

Talk to you next week.
February 13, 2008

Heather
Absolutely! I actually just had a Cab Franc this weekend that my sister opened up. It wasn’t bad. I am hoping to find one you tasted and compare my notes and see what my “pal” enjoys more!
February 13, 2008

Syrahhhhhhhhh
Hey Madange, it was the Northwest Wine Academy’s 2006. It was a barrel taste. They are about to bottle and we were trying some blends with merlot, petit verdot, and cab sauv. I preferred it 100% cab franc, but they felt people would think it was too funky. I said, “That’s why it’s so goooooood.”
February 13, 2008

Andy
Always enjoy the juice from the Loire valley ,, going to get a white and a red to taste .. Will send in the results . Cab Franc is always flying under the radar dude. What a disappointment with the Larkin … Oh well
February 13, 2008

Ryan D
QotD: Only had a few Cabernet Francs, you are right, they are not for everyone. I will eventually try a CF from the Loire Valley, but not this week, so no I can’t promise you.
February 13, 2008

dmg
I have both a chinon and a bourgueil in the cellar but I have not tried them yet. As soon as I figure out what to pair them with, I’ll give them a go.
February 13, 2008

ChadD.
Wow…I feel bad for your friend! Course if he is a “playa” he probably doesn’t care what you think. ($60??!!)
I’ll try to find some Cab Franc this week.
February 13, 2008

John W. Taylor
I have never tried a Loire Valley red , but I would sure like to, I have thus far only had Loire Valley whites. Also, I have not yet tried a Cabernet Franc; I plan to, but I am not sure if it will be this week. I have only had small amounts Cabernet Franc in Bordeaux blends. I usually prefer my red wines blended with at least 3 to 4 different wine varietals and even a small amount of white wine blended with a red. To me it is UTOPIA when the blending is done well.
February 13, 2008

Tom G of the CKC
I doubt I’ll be hitting the Loire anytime soon as my list of wines to try is already way too large and I’m anal about going through them in order of when I promised myself I’d try them! I’ll add it to the list, though!
February 13, 2008

Sassodoro
It’s good to hear that you read comments that come in late. I’m getting behind in my watching, let alone commenting, but I’m hoping to catch up.

I want to like wines that taste like green peppers, because I have acquired a lot of wine (mostly Bordeaux) that has gone in that direction as it has aged, but I can’t seem to get my head around green pepper wine. Maybe I just need to find the right food matches. I did try a green-pepper-tasting Chilean Carmenere with a chicken curry, and that worked surprisingly well.

As far as Loire Cab Francs are concerned, I bought about 3 cases of a Saumur-Chapigny (produced by Thierry Chancelle) for a week-long family reunion last summer, but it wasn’t very popular and I have about a case and a half left. I had tasted it in the store before buying it, and it didn’t strike me as huge-green-pepper at the time, but lately it has been coming off as green pepper reduction sauce.

The Cab Franc that I have liked the most lately has been from Northern Italy, rather than the Loire. The producer is Castelcosa in Venezia Giulia. I have met the owner, Marco Furlan, and he says that Cab Franc is one of his favorite grapes. He makes this one in a way that brings out a black pepper flavor to balance the green pepper, tomato leaf, and tobacco.
February 13, 2008

Valentin
I am the missing link between the Vayner nation and the rest of the human beings.
February 13, 2008

Alex
Was that a bathtub duck that was squeaking at the beginning of the show?

I had a wine shop/bar close to home that recently went out of business. Now there is no place near home that I can sit down at and enjoy a bottle with friends after work. Granted, there are still several places to buy a few bottles but that place was a favorite of mine.
February 13, 2008

Panosh
I went to two placess looking for a Loire Valley Cab Franc but no luck. The ONLY one I found was a Napa ‘03 Carrefour. We quite enjoyed it. The nose was very deep and the initial taste had a lot of red berries and finished off with some slight tannins. Overall enjoyable. Probably not worth the $32 though.
February 13, 2008

Colin
GV – Thanks for this show! I love the poo – so I will revisit these areas. I’ll be in the Fingers this weekend – where the Cab Franc has not, IMO, come around. And I keep trying it – still too green. Yet – I have hope they will get better – so they can add a red to what they do well.
February 13, 2008

JeffC
QOTD: I have had Chinon’s before and really do enjoy Cab Franc. I will definitely seek out and enjoy, if not this week, the near future. Wish you had a WL place here in NC.

Anyway, how do wine producers like Larkin think they can charge $60 and compete with the Loire Valley?? Seems a bit arrogant to me. Dont understand. No brainer. 3 bottles vs 1?? Even if the one was decent.

Later. Thanks Gary. And I too am glad you are reading all the comments.
February 13, 2008

HudsonValleyMark
QOTD: Gary – long time lurker, first time replier. I promise to pick up a CF up on the way home, that is if the store isn’t flooded. If it is, I’ll go Scuba Steve on the store.
February 13, 2008

LudwigVan
QOTD: promised!
February 13, 2008

sharon
Okay, okay. I’ll try to find one. (This hobby is so demanding!)
February 13, 2008

JayZee
GV, you KNOW I love the “Old World” wines better than the “New World”. I got over my soda pop addiction a long, long, long time ago. Excellent show. I think I am really going to like episodes 401-500! Keep up the great work!!

QOTD: If I cannot get one at the store, I will try one from my cellar. I think I have a couple of different Chinons down there. One from a local shop that I’ve tried and another from WL that I haven’t as yet. So I will in the next few days.
February 13, 2008

Valerie
QOTD: I promise to look for a Bourgueil or Chinon to try “old world” vegetal wines, and come back here to give you the results.
February 13, 2008

JOEL M
Thanks GV! I love Cab Franc, been exploring the Long Islind producers of late. Now I will put the
Chinon and Bourguiel on my radar.
February 13, 2008

Gee
Good show. I really love Bourgeuil and Chinon too. Agree completely that the vegetal qualities put a lot of friends off. Have you had Chinon from Domaine du Raifault? They’re excellent.

BTW, have we ever had Bourgeuil or Chinon on free.winelibrary.com?
February 13, 2008

Chris Barnes
It must be really tough to score a friend’s wine poorly. I am surprised that you even do it, honestly. If I were in your shoes, I would avoid tasting wines that I wouldn’t want to score badly. In addition, if you were to score it highly, it would be suspect. Seems like a lose-lose.

But thanks for doing it anyways.

Chris
February 13, 2008

Jose
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February 13, 2008

Awin
I will seek a Loire Valley Cab Franc and get back to you. I do like Napa Valley Cab Franc from Peju.
February 13, 2008

Jeff W
Must buy Loire. Must buy Loire. Must buy Loire. Must buy Loire.
February 13, 2008

mrzitro
My 1st Cab Franc was the 2004 Domaine de la Noblaie Chinon â€˜Les Chiens-Chienâ€™ which you tasted on WLTV episode #200. Last night I went to a wine tasting featuring Meeker wines from CA. My 1st taste of the night was their Cab Franc. WOW, it was dirty & veggie. Meeker also makes a PV which was not part of the official tasting & didnâ€™t have any there for sale. I told Mr. Meeker about you and your love for PV & that I never have tasted a PV. He said he had PV in his car & brought back two bottles of their â€™02 & â€™04 PV. What an educational experience for the PAL.
I will check again with our local wine shops to see if they have any Loire Valley reds, otherwise I wonâ€™t be able to have one until after I order one.
February 13, 2008

SaraMHCRU
hmm. perhaps. watching this show has given me a MASSIVELY long list of wines/regions to try…and in order to function, i kinda need to spread them out a bit!
February 13, 2008

Will G
I tried a Chinon in 2007, after your last Chinon episode. Wasn’t terribly into it, but am definitely willing to give a second try with one of these two. The last Cab Franc that I enjoyed was a wedding gift…Stepping Stone Cab Franc from Cali. If I try another one, I’ll be back to post!
February 13, 2008

CORSkier
I love Cab Franc, and sadly have not had a Loire CF yet. Try some of the top Walla Walla producers if you want a good new world style Cab Franc, as well as Del Rio and Foris in Southern Oregon. Not oak monsters, and beautiful balance. I WILL go out and buy a Loire valley CF today, just because you got me so pumped up about it, and probably drink with steaks tomorrow for VDay dinner!
February 13, 2008

SGoodwin
QOTD – I definitely accept this assignment. The hunt for a Loire Cab Franc is all the excuse I need to make a little trip down to my favorite wine shop this weekend! And I’ll provide a full report afterwards. Bring on the veggies!!
February 13, 2008

Cliff A
Gary – Great show today. Don’t let too many of us in on the secret about Cab Franc from the Loire! Next thing you will be telling them about Red Sancerre!!Seriously, you are absolutely dead on with Loire Reds. Wonderful that the two Loire Cab Francs blew away the overpriced Cali Cab Franc.

QOTD: I had a cabernet franc on Monday, but I may break out another this weekend. Drank a: 2002 Olga Raffault Chinon Les Picasses. This was the last bottle of a case I bought a few years ago. Fun to see how this wine evolved with age.

My Tasting Note: Tasty Chinon and a great QPR. A much more balanced wine as it matures. Leather, earthy and red fruit on the nose. Ruby garnet in color and showing signs of age at the rim. On the palate a good bit of red fruit – raspberry, strawberry – and some musky flavors. A medium finish on the medium bodied wine.
February 13, 2008

sobojosh
2005 Les Petites Roches Chinon (Kermit Lynch)

Color, dark ruby/purple : Day bright.

Nose: yeah, funk da fun, Where’s the fruit? Pomagranite if any thing. tightish… well not the funk, thats pretty big

Mouth: high acidity and tannins, low fruit… gotta have that

86ish
February 13, 2008

Nick
I’m looking forward to a good veggie cab
February 13, 2008

latraviata
QOTD: gee, will it be possible to find one in PA?
February 13, 2008

Russ J
I have feeling Larkin will do AOK, even with your PAZZZZZ, GV, so don’t sweat it. I agree by the way, in terms of your feelings about “made up” wines.

QOTD: I had a Bourguiel this past Sunday, a 2004 Mabileau, and I warned everyone to expect the veggie funk and it had a bit but it was way smooth with very nice fruit wrapped around those veggies.
February 13, 2008

Johnny C. a.k.a SmokinActuary
OK I promise
February 13, 2008

wayno da wino
Whoooooooohoooooo !!!
“Da Funk in da Trunk”…….”Diiiirty Vegetables”………”Cow Manure”…..
Gee……..i can’t get dat CF fast enough……i’m seekin’ it out Pronto!!!
February 13, 2008

mbannon
Mmm, love Loire Cab Franc. Will seek some out this weekend fer shizzle.
February 13, 2008

ev
Hey, cudos to the Donnie Baseball namedrop. I graduated high school with him. Hey sports dude, interested in his yearbooks? (They’re not cheap.)

Love the Loire reds
February 13, 2008

Tatum
I promise! If you ask it, it shall be done…how’s that for ass-kissing?!
February 13, 2008

DC7
Dig those Cab Francs… VA Wine Expo this weekend… there will be plenty.
February 13, 2008

Harley Stan
QOTD- I think I have someting from Loire Valley in my stash, I don’t want to lie, I am so far behind on trying new wines it may be a few weeks before I can get to the Cab Franc.
February 13, 2008

Deano
Gary good episode. I got a case of the flu so i am watching the episode late. That sucks you had to pan your buddies wine. But hey thats how you roll on the thunder show nothing but the truth

QOTD:
-If i am feeling well enough to drink some wines.
February 13, 2008

Rick Scott
GV – we need a mystery pack episode again, don’t wait for a holiday, do one a month. That’s how I spread the THUNDER!!
February 13, 2008

redfrog
GV – cool episode, I will get a few this weekend and test drive them. Do you think vertical tasting episode would cool, have you done one?
February 13, 2008

Eric
I love when you do episodes like these. . .My girlfriend is completely on top of her game and picks up wine to drink with the episode.
February 13, 2008

pawncop
Well now, I will now always leavea a comment. Thanks for the update. Good show.

As luck would have it, I bought a Couly-Dutheil Chinon, 2005, Baronne Madeleine, Cab France. Will try it next week and I will leave a comment.
February 13, 2008

Jim in Atlanta
I also enjoy old world, stinky, barnyardy wines. I will definitely seek out some French Cab Franc.
February 13, 2008

Stu
I will open one on Friday and let you know.
February 13, 2008

Billyd
GV are they wines or V8?? But I will have to try it out..
February 13, 2008

Nicolas
Gary,

My favorite reds usually with Beaujolais and Zweigelt from Austria.

Great wines. Thank you for giving them some love.

Nico
February 13, 2008

E
Can’t believe I missed a CF show. Hell, I’ve been on board since Episode 36!

Should I be worried about having to pay Bordeaux prices for Chinon?

But I love me some CF so I will of course accept your challenge, there’s an older bottle of Bourgueil I picked up in Texas I’m curious about …
February 14, 2008

Dan C.
QOTD … i’ll try my friend, ill try.
February 14, 2008

Dan A
I’ll definitely try some Loire valley wines very soon… Thanks you so much Gary for making us discover great wines from all over!

Cheers!
February 14, 2008

Cephalopunk
I am completely in love with the Loire right now – Borgueil, Chinon, Vouvray, Savennieres – the entire gang, so this show was a blast for me. My regular wine shop is really well stocked in Loire wines, and they happened to have the ‘05 Amirault Borgueil. I split it with some friends after work today, and boy oh boy, was this wine built specifically for me. I agree with Gary – extremely vegetal with a mouthfeel that made me think of tomato flesh and cherry flesh… the chocolate in this tastes akaline, if that makes sense. If there is one thing that Gary could have played up, I think that this was a very well integrated wine, expecially for the complexity. Seek this wine out!
February 14, 2008

italianwinelover
QOTD-Most definitely will find one and enjoy it!! I have always loved Cab Franc and when I talk about it to people they’ve never heard of it!! My friend from Cali first introduced it to me years ago and I fell in love with it!!

Great pick GV!!!
February 14, 2008

Jeff
hey gary;
great show; love!!! loire valley whites and reds (not the sweet ones).
I DID have a Chinon ROSE!!! this weekend; it was on sale, and was spectacular.
very light strawberries in nose and color, but a wonderful smooth flavor profile that went well beyond the nose. exceptional wine. 2004 Droguet chinon rose.
love the show; ordered and had the petite chablis you reviewed; spot on and a huge QPR!
February 14, 2008

MtnCharlie
I am digging Loire valley wines also. Sancerre has been among them.

QOTD: Just picked up a Bourgueil I will try this weekend. Will leave a comment after I try it.
February 14, 2008

Chippewamike
Awesome show!

QOTD: YES. Going to actually try to get some for tonight (Valentine’s Day) as I would love to try a Cab Franc and my wife loves the vegetal component on her wines! I will let you know what I find.
February 14, 2008

Carlitos
Hey Gary,

I love Loire reds. Such amazing QPRs. This weekend I’m going to take to our wine meeting a 1997 old vine Bourgueil and a 2005 of the same wine. It’ll be fun to compare and to see a hugely underrepresented region.

Keep it up bringing to us new regions and grapes!
February 14, 2008

Cyn
QOTD: I Promise to try a Loire red this weekend! Although I’m a bit hesitant since the whole celery, radishes, brussel sprout, funk d’funk (?sp) is weirding me out. I think I’m def a “fruit bomby, new world kind of girl”. BUT – I’m willing to give it a try. Let’s see what I find on my way home tonight…
February 14, 2008

Mr.Ambassador
Hey GV,

I promise to try a Cab Franc from the Loire region. To date the only Cab Francs I’ve sampled have all been new world (or part of a blend). I’m doing my best to expand the wine-regions I’m sampling and here’s a great opportunity.

I’ll report back.
February 14, 2008

gayle
I will be treking in the backcountry this weekend. How does Cab Franc hold up in a nalgene bottle?
February 14, 2008

ChezJosh
Have done, will do, always a big fan of the old world veggie/funk’d'funk wines.
February 14, 2008

sev
Gary, you forgot Long Island Cabernet Franc! With a lot of 2005’s out there now, and the 2007’s coming soon (both awesome years) you can find some great wine. Pretty much all of them retail under $25 too. I have only had one Loire red, it was a Chinon without much going on. Retailed for about $20, and was a definite pass because it was ultra light in body and aroma. I will seek some more out though. You definitely have me sold on them!
February 14, 2008

Chippewamike
Well, I found a Cab Franc to try for the first time tonight. I found a 2003 Chinon Baronnie Madeleine. Decanted for about an hour. Tried first glass without any food. Vegetal on the nose and to the taste–funky like you said. Honestly, did not really like it. Then had it with dinner and WOW, this wine does go well with food. My wife really enjoyed the Cab Franc with dinner and without. Always said she had “better taste” then I did
Gary, thanks again for getting us to expand our pals. Did so tonight and was impressed with what we found. My wife, who is very new to wine, said that we found a “keeper”.
February 14, 2008

tmr
qotd: picked up a bottle of 2005 Domaine de la Chanteleuserie Bourgueil CuvÃ©e Alouettes (imported by Kermit Lynch). some veggies on the nose, more classic blue/blackberries otherwise, ridiculous smooth mouthfeel & a kinky chalky finish that i really dig. REDUNKULOUS QPR (for me) at $14 a bottle.

safe to say that i would NOT have thought of trying this w/out your prodding. so, tiresome though it may be for you to hear it over & over again, thank you for helping me expand the boundaries of my wine comfort box. thank you very much.
February 14, 2008

Rani Haykal
QOTD (continued from a few days ago): Just opened up a bottle of Domaine du Grand Bouqueteau Chinon 2005 100% Cabernet Franc. Very surprised at how new world this wine is. Not horrible at all, very fruit forward….lots of red cherries and raspberries. Alcohol is integrated very nicely. It feels as if the fruit overpowers it a bit much, which i guess is not bad but i was hoping for a bit more tannins. Finish is nice though….1min+. For a $13 bottle, its not horrible…especially as it tastes like some Napa wines I’ve had for $30-$40. Maybe next time I’ll seek out a bit of a higher quality loire red.

Definitely looking forward to a ‘00 Madiran for tomorrow night. Much more my style with huge tannins. hopefully it opens up a bit though.

–RH
February 15, 2008

Andrew
I am on board with Gary on this episode. Cab franc is one of my favorite wines. Anyone who loves wine should try it. And I have to ssay I love Gary’s unabashed enthusiasm on this show and how animated and downright hilarious he can be when describing the wines. Great show.
February 15, 2008

Cosanostra
Ok, I love Washington State Cab Franc and have dozens in the cellar but on your word I’m bringing up a 2005 Domaine du Pas St. Martin “Saumur” for this weekend. Vegetables eh? I think I’ll still prefer the dark chocolate and spice of an Owen Sullivan or Barrister Cab Franc, but I’ll give it a shot.
February 15, 2008

Erik Klumpp
Carbernet Franc is my new favorite wine grape. And Iâ€™m not sure why. For some reason I really enjoy the taste. Usually used as a intermediate grape in bordeauxâ€™s Cab Franc carries complexity better than any grape I know. Of course there are exceptions, such as Douro from Portugal. But Cab Franc really has a way of getting your pallet into the earth, smelling all the intricacies that go into wine making. My introduction, for which I am sorry that it wasnâ€™t French, came from a really lovely Napa Valley wine. I have been knocking Napa of late, but god damn this wine is amazing. The nose has hints of cedar, tobacco, and rose petals, with a really nice caramel undertone. The taste is really hard to pin down, and I am still working on it. But I get plums, tobacco, hints of black pepper, and a little oak, which rounds out the wine really nice. My tasting notes are kind of vague, but I really enjoyed it. It definitely was not a cheap bottle of wine, but every once in a while you have to splurg. I think the next time I drink it I will serve it with Short Ribs that are cooked in a chile coffee red wine sauce. Balla Balla Balla. I know. But I just wanted to give you a little insight.
February 15, 2008

Isaac
I will try a Cab Franc this weekend!
February 15, 2008

TonyStro
UNBELIEVABLE! I just found a bottle of Yannick Amirault Bourgueil La Coudraye 2003 here in Pakistan !! I’m gonna pop it this weekend. Will let you know how it was.
Also found a 2006 Bouchard Pere & Fils La Vignee Bourgogne Pinot Noir and a 2004 Bonterra Shiraz-Carignane (Cali organic). I’ve never heard of the carignane grape so had to buy it. I’ll likely try that one tonite.
February 15, 2008

Anjay
YES I WILL! And I’m coming to buy it today!
February 15, 2008

Rolf Lydecker
I’m down with the Old World as well, although there is a lot of good stuff from Cali, but I too hate the oak monster! Oak is bad.
February 15, 2008

John S
Gary

Great mission for the weekend. I’m personally a real fan of Cabernet Franc, even though I’m from England I fell for it through an american wine! Have managed to track down some Yannick Amirault St-Nicolas de Bourgueil for this weekend – a La Mine 2005 and a Les Malgagnes 2005.
February 15, 2008

Karl Laczko
I am with you on the Cab Franc Gary, love the Loire!

“English” green peas – what other sort of green peas are there?

QOTD – Note sure, I do have one C-F about ready for drinking, the Marchesseau Fils 2003 Bourgueil (and another Bourgueil and 2 Chinons for the next 2-3 years) but I’m not really ready for it yet. I’ll try and remember to come back to this ep’ when I do pop it.
February 15, 2008

Grapestompper (Dave)
I am so there with Cab Franc. The Loire is the Cab Franc capital of the world! I will go out and get a few because that’s what I do anyway, but for you too GV. Cali’s are good I’m not as opposed to a fruit bomb now and then. Usually a Cab Franc is never a BOMB even form Cali. To me Long Island NY Cab Franc’s are the next best thing to the Loire.
February 15, 2008

Atreyu
Gary,
great episode! Your enthusiasm makes me want to try a Loire valley cab franc again. Previous times it didn’t impress me, but i’ll give it another try. It would be great if you could put one in free shipping.
Have a good weekend!
February 15, 2008

Lawrence Leichtman
Loire reds, always a big hit in this house especially Chinon. Don’t forget all of the great whites of Loire either, the are some of the tastiest of all.

Still can’t figure out why so many American producers of Cab Franc do such a bad job and they sure seem to.
February 15, 2008

Tommy Vernieri
We went out and got one for this weekend. Our friendly local wine shop owner recommended it (we didn’t go to Total Wine, which makes me feel good). It turns out you actually reviewed it and liked it. I’ll let you know what we think.

2005 Frederic Mabileau Saint-Nicolas-de-Bourgueil Les Rouilleres
February 15, 2008

organicmexican
GV-So we are back to report on our Cab Franc tasting. We made a valentines dinner at home and had it with a bottle from Bourgueill 2005 from Yannick Amirault. It was great. It was a little challenged on the nose but it tasted great. What was so amazing was that we loved it more as we kept drinking it. Either it was opening up more or we were “opening” up more. We fought over the last pour but I gave in since it was Valentines Day. Thanks for the recommendation and we will be sure to try more of these wines. In addition we bought a 2005 Cab Franc from California called Franc from M. Cosentino that we are going to try this weekend to do a little old world vs new world.
February 15, 2008

Patrick
I just tasted my first 100% Cab Franc at a local winery (La Grange) today. Excellent! Very similar to what you describe when tasting the Bourguiel. Dirty dirty veggies and funk. Loved it.
February 16, 2008

Paul
GV, must say that I am more a New World kind of drinker, but that could change as I listen to you and try wines from areas like the Loire. Will be searching for one of these on my next trip, and see if my pal can deal with the “funky-funk”. Not an Oak Monster fan, but a little oak is not so bad, for me. Love your excitement and passion. It is contagious. Keep up the good work, you are the leader of the Vayniac nation.
February 17, 2008

DARREL LAS VEGAS
Try CONIGLIO C/F Napa THIS ROCKS!
February 17, 2008

Kevin C.
GREAT episode GV! Go back to the New Year’s resolutions and you will se that mine was to try more Loire reds. This weekend had Sauvion Chinon at about $13. Got some of that tomato,celery and prune/plum action. Have at St Nicholas de Bourgeil up next. I have definitely found these wines interesting, stretching my normal list of descriptors, and definitely not favored by the less enthusiatic wine drinkers in the house
February 17, 2008

Brian Swanson
Great show, GV. Can’t grab the cab franc this weekend. BUT-I’m heading out to your neck of the woods on 3/1 (first birthday party for my pain in the a$$ brother-in-law’s niece – she’s great-he’s the pain in the a$$), so I’ll definitely be hitting W.L. before heading back to NYC. I’m gonna cut a swath through your Portugal and Loire Valley sections – can’t wait.
February 18, 2008

ChrisH
I have been on the hunt for a good Cab Franc for the past week after watching this episode. Who would have thought finding one under $50 would be so difficult in central Indiana. I’m a big fan of funky wines, so it sounds like some of these wines would be perfect for me.
February 18, 2008

TR
Finally!!
A Cab Franc episode. I have to admit I’ve been deleting the feedblitz e-mails cause I have been too busy to watch lately, 110 hrs a week at work. But I am glad I saved this one. One question, what is the deal with the pouring out one for your Homies from the first pour from the first bottle (removing dust, dish detergent???)
The Cab Franc from Virginia wineries noteably Ingleside are excellent, though kinda expensive. I think global warming is improving the terrior in VA (drier). Oh well, sucks for the French. I think I’ll buy some beachfront property in Iceland, Schkoll!!
February 18, 2008

bigmay
I didn’t promise to seek out the Loire Valley CF but as luck would have it, we sampled one on Saturday night (my first) at my 30th birthday party. A very good friend of mine (who happens to be a lurker), Zac, flew back home to MN from NYC to help celebrate. While at dinner at a very nice wine bar he suggested ordering up a bottle of a ‘99 Saumur-Champigny specifically because of this episode and many of the 12 at the table had a taste. It wasn’t for everyone (my dad hated it) but he and I agreed it was our wine of the night. Well made, medium body, lots of veggies. A very enjoyable experience. Thanks for bringing the thunder to my birthday, Gary!
February 18, 2008

ryang
ok just tried a a 2005 Sauvion Chinon. 100% cab franc. only like a $10 bottle at the local total wine. distinct green pepper on the nose and even some campfire type smell. noticed the green pepper on the palate along with some minerality maybe. interesting nose and flavor profile. glad i tried and i’d like to try a couple more examples of these but overall im not sure if i like this or not right now.
February 18, 2008

Jeff m
Sought out a bottle of Loire Valley Amirault Bourgueil La Coudraye 2004. What I enjoyed most about this bottle of wine, besides the nice balance of acidity and tannins, the woodsy, licorice, green veggie taste, and the lingering and surprising minerality; much like the whites I love from Loire, was seeing the surprise on my friend’s face, as he tried to describe the many ways it was different than what he normally drinks. Previously, he would would never shell out $20 dollars a single bottle, but with curiosity he kept asking me where it was from.
February 19, 2008

paul
I won’t get another one since I have several in the cellar and drink them regularly – not frequently, but on a regular basis. I have some Chinon and Bourgeuil (watch that spelling) and well as a couple from Blackjack Ranch.

Great show, BTW.
February 19, 2008

chris the greek
cool task,

am finally off tomorrow (weds) so am out shopping

will let you know

chris the greek
February 19, 2008

Ethan N
bought 4 bottles of the yannick amirault cab franc, wish i would have bought a case. awesome juice! no question there’s more loire cab francs on their way to my house.
February 19, 2008

Joe Discher
Cab Franc from the US is no comparision to France. Va is the best in the US.
February 20, 2008

Cyn
QOTD: Tried one…..you have to give me some credit for trying! Really, cabs are not my thing I’m glad I expanded my palate and added another dimension to it. However, I will try another one or two to make sure
February 20, 2008

Omallley
I had my first Cab Franc last night – a Charles Joguet 2005 CuvÃ©e Terroir Chinon, and it knocked my socks off. Very funky/leafy and inky/dark, and pretty high alchohol (14%) but not in the least bit hot. Excellent wine. Fantastic even!

It brought the funk-da-funk and I loved it (I’m thinking my palate is going way Old World on me – either that, or I need to listen to some more Herbie Hancock). Thanks for turning me onto CF GV!
February 21, 2008

wannaBconnoisseur
Only had a few straight cab francs, need to try more. GV I love your honestly, I could tell you were having trouble with what to say about the Larkin and then you stuck with your true feelings. That is why WLTV rocks so hard!! Great show GV!
February 22, 2008

Aaron
I tried the yannick amirault last weekend and I loved it! I’m going back for more today. Thanks GV for turning me on to the loire!
February 23, 2008

Dan-o
GV – I am a big fan of the Loire Valley Cab Francs. Even though I am catching up on some old episodes, I am not going to pop one open this weekend because, frankly, I am already sold on these wines.

I have Chinon, Saumur, and Anjou in my cellar taking a rest for a few years before I attack them again.

I love the funky funk. My pal has changed from the Big Bold, New World flavors to the love for the complexity of the wine.
March 5, 2008

Jason S.
Recently has a Carr Cabernet Franc that ROCKED – can’t remember if it was the ‘04 or ‘05 though. Definitely would like to have more of that around.
March 6, 2008

Karl
I totally agree with you to said that Cab Franc is not for everybody.

Usually the first wines we like is more like kid’s flavours (sugar, vanilla, candy)…and with time we prefer aduld’s flavours in the wines…that’s wath happens to a lot of wine drinker’s. Thats my opinion.

And for the QOTD, I love Cab Franc and just open monday a nice bottle of Domaine Philippe Alliet, Chinon “vieilles vignes” 2005…SUPERB !
March 9, 2008

scott.t.
Took Gary’s recommendation to expand our palette so yesterday we attended tasting of Loire Valley reds (mostly cab francs) at a local wine shop yesterday.

Tasted were:
2006 Malbete, Reuilly Rouge
2005 Domaine Henry PellÃ©, Menetou-Salon Rouge, Morogues “Les Cris”
2006 Philippe Alliet, Chinon
2005 Joguet, Chinon, Varennes du Grand Clos
2005 Joguet, Chinon, Clos du Chene Vert
2005 Joguet, Chinon, Clos de la Dioterie

Our faves were the Clos du Chene Vert and Clos de la Dioterie, with Les Cris rounding out our 3 top.

Gotta agree w/ Gary’s description of the cab francs as a “Justice League of America” of funkiness.
March 19, 2008

Elliot Essman
I just drove through both the Chinon and Bourgueil areas two weeks ago and must have had a dozen of these – profound wine, and honest as they come.
March 23, 2008

Harry
I came back to watch this episode again and remembered drinking a Domaine Gasnier Chinon Cab Franc soon after. Unfortunately we all were a bit disappointed with the wine. The fruits (sort of like blackberries, but not good ones) were far too forward, and there wasn’t much in the mid-palate to balance it out. But a worthwhile try.
April 13, 2008

Jeff
I recently blind tasted a 2005 Domaine Belliviere Rouge-Gorge Pineau d’Aunis (Loire Cab Franc) that absolutely blew my socks off. Brussel Sprouts, Asparagus and black pepper literally climb out of the glass, punch you in the face, steal your wallet, sleep with your woman and kick you in the gut on their way out your front door. It is absolutely awesome. I would love to see Gary review this wine.

http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1036262
November 12, 2008

kinaidos
Re: Jeff who mentions a Pineau d’aunis.

Pineau d’aunis is a grape. That’s not a cab franc, it’s a Pineau d’aunis. It’s one of the other grapes allowed in most of the Loire apps. You can spot it because it’s a dead ringer for white pepper on the nose. By itself in it’s best expression it can have some nice sour cherry to it with all of that white pepper and floral nose. It’s an excellent food wine.

The grape is used most frequently used as a blending grape with Gamay in the Touraine (Loire app.) If you see tasting notes for a Touraine that indicate a peppery nose, you know you’ve got some Pineau d’aunis in there.
January 7, 2009

Dessert Wine Nerd
QOTD: I cant promise to buy and drink one this weekend, as I have spent WAYYYYY too much money on wine the past two months in buying vintage wines to cellar for a decade or so. Watching these last 20 episodes or so has given me the idea ( finally?!) to go to my wine shop and drop $80 or so on 5 or 6 wines from all over instead of always grabbing the $$$ stuff. I WILL buy one in the future though.
January 21, 2009

Chris Lotz
really stinky if you smell from the bottle. wish 9th ave vintners had borgeuil, but i settled on chinon. gotta just put on the overhauls and mud boots, im gonna pick some veggies. poop doesnt bother me. its fun to smell one thing and taste something totally different
March 12, 2009

TommyB
Loire Valley wines (all of them) are the dogs bo**ocks my friend; i.e that’s an English term for they are great! My favourite region for wines? Quite possibly!
May 21, 2009

CaseyLee
i am going to seek one out ! i havent had one yet . . i know i know i dunno why dont ask.