2005 Bordeaux Talk On The Heels Of The New Wine Spectator

2005 Bordeaux Talk On The Heels Of The New Wine Spectator – Episode #411

February 19, 2008

Wine Spectators new 2005 bordeaux issue inspires this show of WLTV. Gary yaps about the wines and the vintage and the fact that tomorrow is the 2 year anniversary of this little show.

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“Great show. Nice to get another 2005 update from you. If I remember …” by Dessert Wine Nerd
“As almost always a very fun episode, and being a newbie here I just pu…” by Ray Barnes
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Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Chateau Luchey Halde BlancGraves/Pessac-Leognan
2005 Chateau Les Secrets De CardinaleSt Emilion

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January 7, 2009

Dessert Wine Nerd
Great show. Nice to get another 2005 update from you. If I remember I first learned about the “legendary” vintage from you. QOTD: Pretty damn good. I bought almost all of mine from Costco, so I got a good deal over what most wine shops would sell bottles for. Ive got about 6 bordeauxs, and something like 4 sauternes. Couldnt help myself…. Costco has steals…. STEALS!!!
November 9, 2008

Ray Barnes
As almost always a very fun episode, and being a newbie here I just pulled it from the archives. Anything coming from Ch. Fleur Cardinale is a winner so congratulations on procuring that allocation.

QOTD – I have had some 2005 petits chateaux and most of them were very good. One very dissapointing offering was the 2005 Chateau Vieille Tour La Rose, coming from St. Emilion. This was just a very mediocre wine, fortunately inexpensive. A very nice sleeper was the Chateau Pezat, a Bordeaux Superieur from Entre Deux Mers that is owned and vinified by and at Chateau Teyssier in St. Emilion – and very much resembles that more famous commune. I also have one bottle each of Chateaux Giraud, Nenin, and Bahans Haut-Brion.

Surrey BC Canada
August 7, 2008

Oakmon's BF
Youâ€™ve done a lot of 2005 Bordeaux shows. You say anybody can make a good wine in Bordeaux in â€™05. You also talk of the prices shooting up. But you focus on the high end. If the hundred dollar bottles shoot up 50%, will the $10 bottles also shoot up 50%? In the fall of 2007 I hit the Bordeaux aisle of the Claymont Total Wines. I picked up about 8 bottles of the red stuff from different wineries in the $10 to $12 range with no regard to vintage (or winery). I think I only made it about a third of the way down the aisle when I stopped because I had enough for one shopping trip. In January of 2008 I discovered WLTV and over the next few months I watched every episode and discovered that 2005 was something special. I then checked my stash and discovered that theyâ€™re nearly all 2005. Iâ€™m thinking, â€œboy did I luck out.â€ WLTV also convinced me that I should keep track of the wines I drink and take notes. Iâ€™m sure Iâ€™ve had Bordeaux before but tonight Iâ€™m having the first one since I started keeping track. So â€¦

Iâ€™m having my first (recorded) red Bordeaux as I rewatch this episode. Itâ€™s a 2005 Chateau Haut-Guillebot Bordeaux. I did a little internet searching and it looks like itâ€™s still selling for about $10 to $12. So perhaps low end 2005 Bordeaux hasnâ€™t shot up over the last year. Itâ€™s got the tannins that I like. Iâ€™m not real good at identifying flavors but itâ€™s not bad. But itâ€™s not good enough for me to run out and try to get more of the same label.
July 5, 2008

jimka
Were are you?
I’m watching from Munich Germany
May 14, 2008

TeeKay
Hi Gary,
Try to get some 2005 Bordeaux’s. I am watching from the Netherlands.
May 13, 2008

Gary & Ray
Has anyone read the back label of Chateau Les Secrets Di Cardinale 2005?
The last paragraph states it was bottled in May 2008! I bought a bottle and wonder if this typeo is on all the bottles. Let me know.
May 1, 2008

Matti
SQOTD: London, UK
April 2, 2008

Sparky58
I’ve got 2 promises for you. Yes, I’ll seek out white Bordeaux. And, no more lurking! Thanks for the Thunder! Keep it fresh.
March 14, 2008

StevoVino
Side Q: New Zealand
QOTD: zero bottles of 05 Bordeaux in my cellar
March 12, 2008

Jason S.
QOTD: Unfortunately, I don’t have any. I was in school when the futures went on sale and couldn’t afford them, even at those low prices. Hopefully I can pick some up now.
March 7, 2008

Donna Marie
QOTD: Don’t have enough in the cellar, try to buy whatever I can afford and am influenced by a lot of your recommendations.
March 5, 2008

amm3rd
I bot the ‘05 Valrose because I loved the ‘00 Valrose, probably going to buy another case, but too many choices!!!
March 4, 2008

J-Pipes
side QOTD: I now consider myself part of the Canadian Contingency, even though I haven’t met any of the others yet. But I will, in a week or so!
QOTD: I am relatively UNpositioned with regards to 2005 Bordeaux. My strategy? Make good good good friends who are better at planning ahead with wine than I am!
March 3, 2008

latraviata
QOTD: I bought a 2005 Bordeaux a couple of days ago and can’t wait to try it. Thanks for the shout out to all the loyal Canadian fans of WLTV.
March 3, 2008

JÃ¸rn Idar
SQOTD; No way, Norway!
QOTD; No Bordeaux:-(
March 2, 2008

Andy Kibler
het Gary ..after heeding your praise I picked up five or six good 2005 bordeaux….thanks for the shows on the 2005.. I completely lucked out though on one measley bottle of Chateau L’Evangile Pomerol 2005 at where else??
Costco!!!!!!!!!!! Pre-sale 2 bottle limit in Dec. 2007. I eany meany miney moed it and paid $199.00 for the bottle. It had a barrel rating of 93 to 97 and WS gave it a 100!!!! Very happy about it..I’ll have a special family/friend occasion for it in 10 -15 years from now……….thanks
March 1, 2008

Dan-o
QOTD sub – I am a fan of white Bordeaux. I like to describe it as a beautiful skinny model after she gained some weight. A Sancerre is the model when she has an eating disorder – very lean, crisp and tight. White Bordeaux takes some of the features of this lean person and adds a bit of body!

QOTD – I am not stocked in 2005s. I bought a lot of the 2000 vintage and then I purchased good sized quantities of 2001 and 2002 from the off-vintage (Las Cases, Calon Segur, Comtesse de Lalande, Lynch Bages). Therefore, I knod of got Bored-oh.
February 28, 2008

Josh in Burgundy
I am an American, but I am living in a village in the southern most part of the Cote D’or in Burgundy.

I buy the 2005’s here but I just drink them all. That and in Burgundy it is hard to get much else besides burgundy.(like that is a legitimate complaint!)
February 27, 2008

Andre
Brazil !!! Bought a few 05’s.
February 27, 2008

Chuck C(Bangkok Chas)
Guess where I am from.

Sometimes, you can find a great deal here. Like a 2005 Bordeaux for under $10. It is usually in the Tesoo (like Wal-mart) 2-for-1 bin. All the sales girls here say: strong wine—you like!!!
February 25, 2008

Eric
QOTD: My position on 05 Bordeaux. . .Bummed out because I have finally graduated from the CKC, but by the time I have the disposable income to buy these wines, they will be ridiculously over-priced.
February 25, 2008

Pastafari Pirate
QOTD: I have a small 2005 futures order with WL, that I’ll be picking up there in June or July (as soon as the rest of it comes in). Including that Valrose that you mentioned in the episode.
February 25, 2008

Russ J
QOTD: Got a few, just so I could be “in the game”. There are a lot of other exciting opportunities out there with the ‘05 vintage, from areas I tend to enjoy more than Bordeaux.

Good show, GV!
February 25, 2008

kitty and meow meow
Just got my 1 bottle of 05 Chateau Luchey Halde Blanc and my 2 bottles of 05 Chateau Les Secrets De Cardinale!!!!!!!!!!!! i’m so freakin’ pumped to try! many thanks!
February 25, 2008

PFORTY
QOTD: Weak! Must buy, I’ve been saying that for almost a year now! Ugh! Gotta study to find at least 1 or 2 that I can still get my hands on!