Pinot Gris vs Pinot Grigio

Pinot Gris vs Pinot Grigio – Episode #416

February 26, 2008

Gary Vaynerchuk continues to expand on the battle royal, head to head battles of the thunder show and focuses on Italy and Oregon today.

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Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Chehalem Pinot GrisOregon Pinot Gris
2005 Fantinel Sant Helena Pinot GrigioFriuli-Venezia Giulia

Cheese mentioned in todays episode.

Guapier Estrella

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323 Responses

February 26, 2008

Hinrgman
Great show again and again!!
February 26, 2008

dmg
I made top 10 again, now time to watch
February 26, 2008

Spinner
Nice stuff, have a good trip…
February 26, 2008

Matthew L
Man…I stumbled in (random “internetting” … not drunk) to see yesterday’s episode and look what I found.
February 26, 2008

Hinrgman
1st – I don’t believe it.
February 26, 2008

bwizzle
Yeah…top 10..maybe
February 26, 2008

waibeans
top twizzle
February 26, 2008

AVP
QOTD1: No, I’ll be far away
QOTD2: Probably the best so far is Tokay Pinot Gris Grand Cru Altenberg de Bergheim from Gustave Lorentz, Alsace.
February 26, 2008

MagnumGourmet
Top 10…Woo Hoo!!!
February 26, 2008

Scott EJ
2 consecutive top 10’s. I should really get some work done.

QOTD 1 – Can’t make it, but look forward to the pics.

QOTD 2 – Don’t really have a favorite. Although, I know it is not Santa Margherita.
February 26, 2008

kazu
great show. I’m glad to see you pumped again.
February 26, 2008

underivy
QOTD: Nope, can’t make it. Have fun though!

Any second thoughts about that big ass bite of cheese?
February 26, 2008

NADINE
Unfortunately no I will not be there. To be quite honest, I don’t remember when I did have a pinot gris, lol. Have a nice day
February 26, 2008

Jx
QOTD: I would like to make it to the Dirty Jerz on March 29th, as it’s my birthday and I can think of no more fun place to celebrate my 29th b-day. But the girlfriend doesnt want to make the trek all the way from Wyoming to the winelib. GV, I’m tellin’ ya brother, I would LOVE to be there. Best.

Jx
February 26, 2008

dmg
QOTD: I’m a no show, and a no Grigio. I will seek some out.
February 26, 2008

Bill Luby
Good show, Gary.

QOTD #1: Nope. Maybe the next time you do something in the Napa/Sonoma/SF area…

QOTD #2: Year after year it is the WillaKenzie Estate Pinot Gris. I don’t know how these guys do it, but their consistency is amazing.
February 26, 2008

bfrankphoto
QOTD: 1) can’t make the trip
February 26, 2008

Loweeel
Woooo top 20. Will answer QOTD later. (I don’t even watch Chardonnay-only episodes).
February 26, 2008

Loweeel
QOTD — Will do my best to be there, but like I said in my email, I’m really worried about parking!

Why only head to head? Why not California PG and French (Alsatian?) PG as well? I love that you’re doing the cross-terroir, but branch out a little bit more!

BTW — are these the Eisch “breatheable” glasses?
February 26, 2008

cameron w
No show, no chance. No Pinot G either. I am going to have a Blanco Nieva Sauvignon tonight though.
February 26, 2008

HenryW
You need to spread your wings and establish the West Coast Wine Library here in SoCal. The LA wine scene needs a New Jersey presence. Can’t make the trek on 29th. Wish I could.
February 26, 2008

cumpari
I’ve been getting into the Pinot Gris coming out of Oregon…lots of great stuff in the 12 – 16 range.
February 26, 2008

Kathleen Lisson
I am coming to WL on the 29th! Can’t wait to check out your cheese section. I love wine and cheese.
Kathleen Lisson
February 26, 2008

SaraMHCRU
I second the concerns about parking for this big bash, but I am certainly going to try to be there!

I’ve had a few pinot gris from Oregon, and I liked them all. I haven’t had a pinot grigio in a long time, and I think the ones I’ve had were kinda lousy. I’ll have to try some again sometime.
February 26, 2008

cgatesman
QOTD1: Hell, Yes! I already left you a comment on your Facebook wall saying I’m coming! My wife and I will be coming with another couple Vayniacs. We’re driving about 2 hours. I hope we can get in on the second part of the day.

QOTD2: I have yet to find a Pinot Gris that really wows me. I found Corte Pitora to be a decent QPR.
February 26, 2008

Jason
Bring on the THUNDER PARTY
February 26, 2008

Beardo
too bad you can’t ship wine to Montana.
February 26, 2008

Marshall
QOTD: not a fan of the pinot gris/grigio/grauburgunder grape, but the last one I had from Adelshiem (2006) was ok.
February 26, 2008

NickJW
LOL! “sheep butt”

QOTD: I haven’t really tried too many PG’s to say
February 26, 2008

Carolyn
QOTD 1- right now, the plan is to make the trek from Cleveland to attend the festivities on March 29. Expect some harrassment about Ohio wines…

QOTH 2 Filadonna Pinot Grigio – this past weekend – good QPR at $12.99!!
February 26, 2008

cs
We’ll do our best to be there. About a 4 hour drive. Right now my favorite Pinot Gris is the Etude 06.
February 26, 2008

Dominick Mack
I will DEFINITELY be there for the thunder party.

Don’t really have a favorite P.G.
February 26, 2008

Cephalopunk
QOTD:
I’ve really enjoyed some of the Pinot Grigio from Gravner and the Friuli that I’ve had, but I think the hedonistic ripe Alsatian Pinot Gris are really where it’s at for me. The 2001 Marcel Deiss Pinot Gris Bergheim might be the best one ever for me – good minerality, and a real spice cabinet of aromas. Zind Humbrecht is always a good bed.
February 26, 2008

KubeDawg
Excellent episode. First time I’ve watched WLTV in the afternoon. Normally I watch late at night, but this was just a perfect way to end my afternoon.
February 26, 2008

Sven Johnson
QOTD1: YES! QOTD2: I’m not sure, I’m a clown.
February 26, 2008

David L
Live in Oregon, so no. I’d say the 2001 Bergstom Pinot Gris.
February 26, 2008

Mr.Ambassador
Not visiting Jersey though I wish I could… hopefully I’ll get the chance to say hello at “Taste of Washington”

The Pinot Gris/Grigios I’m drinking now include Eyrie and Foris from Oregon; both really nice food wines.
February 26, 2008

John P
QOTD1: I am going to be there, yes, but I’m coming
from Pittsburgh(Steelers fan now, is that OK?).
I wish I still lived in NJ.
QOTD2: I do “like”, not love, San Angeles Grigio with Gorganzala Cheeze.
It sounds odd, but it’s great.
February 26, 2008

Derek
You better go see your doctor now after all that cheese gary!!!
February 26, 2008

Jeff R
I don’t remember Kid City but my favorite toy store will always be Child World.

QOTD: i haven’t had alot of PGs but my favorite so far is the A to Z.
February 26, 2008

debnj
1. Yes, my husband and I will be there.
2. I don’t have a favorite PG.
February 26, 2008

Anthony L.
I will be there for the Thunder Party. No Doubt!!!!!

Lionel Kiddy City, boy do I remember their commericals. They used to adverstise for on channel 9 every Thanksgiving day during the King Kong, son of Kong, Mighty Joe Young marathon. VERY COOL!!!!
February 26, 2008

SKN
QOTD1 – my friend and I tried diligently to make 3/29 possible with our work & school schedules so that we could road trip from Indianapolis, but alas, we won’t make it this time. We are, however, planning a road trip to the WL this summer – and we’ll just have to make our own Thunder Party!

My first shipment of wine from the Lib arrived today – thanks – and I’m wearing my wristband! Woo Hoo!
February 26, 2008

MonkuWino
QOTD – Nope, can’t make it. QOTD #2: Have only had Pinot Grigio from Italy, none were impressive and some were downright horrible. The best PG was from Santa Margarita so that shows you how bad they have all been. Never had a Pinot Gris from the U.S. but will try at least one in the near future.
February 26, 2008

drew
another great one….
February 26, 2008

Nick P
I’m hoping to make the 29th.

Also I used to go to the Kiddie City in Pennsauken, NJ before it was Lionel Kiddie City.
February 26, 2008

Mandy
Athelete steroid pee?!? I’ll never be able to look at golden colored whites the same way again! Arg.
February 26, 2008

drew
blue grey pink brown grape…. its tie dyed!
February 26, 2008

George from NEPA
Gary,

Gonna try to make it on 3/29. I would be coming in from PA (hence the name) for about a 2.5 to 3 hours ride so hopefully I will make it.
February 26, 2008

GregStefos
Have you ever considered a live webcam broadcast from the Thunder Party, so the Vaniacs that are unable to be at the party can see the fun?

Thanks for thinking about it………
February 26, 2008

joe trdinich
Elk Cove from Oregon has made the best Pinot Gris I have had. I found I prefer the Oregonian style better.
February 26, 2008

Neil
QOTD: Trimbach Reserve
February 26, 2008

Sonnenuhr
Excellent episode – quite the battle.

And who got you the glasses, my friend? For an even better head-to-head do the Eisch Breathable Glasses vs Riedel. The Eisch glasses will blow the Riedels away.

QOTD #1: No
QOTD #2: I’ve had some Alsace Pinot Gris – nothing to write home about and so many Italian Pinto Grigios that I’ve gotten bored with them at this point. I do prefer the northern Italian producers like Lageder and Tiefenbrunner.
February 26, 2008

Hall
1. So tempting. A bit far.
2. The only bottle of Pinot Grigio that stands out in my memory is from St Supery, and it’s one of the contextual bottle-affinities…dinner out with a good friend who freaked out a bit when her whole red snapper came with a face. We had to trade plates, which involved me giving up a pile of wasabi mashed potatoes.
February 26, 2008

Matt
Love the stinky butt cheeese.
February 26, 2008

Greg B.
Big G, Your Head to Head shows are fun stuff, but I do miss the 20 min + Episodes with 4 or more Wines. I guess when you get back from out of town.

QOTD: I wish I could be there, but only 4 days later I’ll flying off to Italia so only one long trip at a time.
QOTD: pt 2 I like Pinot grigios in the Summer, so I’ll let you know more then.
February 26, 2008

purplejuicebruce
Oh,I wish I could attend. Alas I’m stuck in Az.
February 26, 2008

Cliff and Darcey
Coupla things, housecleaning: How, exactly, do you know what a sheep’s-butt component smells like?

Orey-gone?

It’s a great labor-of-love for you to tape these programs ahead of time for us while you are gone: thanks GeeVee, we appreciate it!

QOTD #1: YES! Darcey and I will actually be in NYC that day, and it will be our last day! We are coming from Virginia (VA Tech area), so this is something special for us! If we can figure out how to get to you (we will have no car) from the Upper east Side, then back, then we’d LOVE to be considered as part of the 100 Vayniacs going out from 3 to 5! Maybe I’ll email you or one of your staff to get ideas of how to get to WL from the UES for that day! We’re very excited!

QOTD #2: Don’t have a favorite yet!
February 26, 2008

Sharon
QOTD1: Yes, definitely making the LONG, ARDUOUS, and DEATH-DEFYING journey from MA which should accord me/us with VIP status, n’est-ce pas?
QOTD2: I enjoyed the A to Z Pinot Gris more than any other I have tried (from Oregon). Haven’t tried any from the Alsace yet, though.
February 26, 2008

Jaybird
QOTD: Elk Cove Pinot Gris, not much to compare to though… I never looked at the vintage but I remember opening and pairing with scallops.
February 26, 2008

GrapeStuff
QOTD1: No, will be on the west coast. Will miss the partaaaay!
QOTD2: Dunno, havent really had much p.g.
February 26, 2008

jason
at this rate, friday is gonna be rockin’ like dokken!
OK, QOTD : trimbach, tokay pinot gris reserve personnel. tokay got removed from the equation in alsace casue the hungarians ? claimed the name.
February 26, 2008

*/^_^\*
qotd: no
qqotd: never had one.
February 26, 2008

bigmay
Q(s)OTD: Nope, can’t make the party, though I wish I could. And I don’t think I’ve ever had a PG other than your basic Cavit. I did pick up the A to Z you tasted on Episode #312 – just haven’t popped it yet.
February 26, 2008

musicmanryan
Hey Vayniacs, its great to be back! It has been several months since the last time I made it to the site and watched an episode. I have had a crazy time starting a new job and moving to a new city. Anyway, you have been missed.

Ironically, this is the first time that I can remember ever trying a wine prior to it going through the “Gary Gauntlet”. I have had the Chehalem twice and found it to be quite refreshing and approachable.

Am I the only one that thought the Pinot Griggio looked and sounded like a Chardonnay/Viognier? To me it lost points because it seemed it was trying to be something it was not. Just my two cents…

QOTD: I live in the middle of a cornfield in Iowa, so unfortunately I will not be able to make it on the 29th. I have not explored the Pinto Gri(s)(ggio) world enough to have a favorite, but would say the Chehalem is worth a try.
February 26, 2008

John Farrin
QOTD: VERY limited experience but the 06 Nec-otium was probably as good as I’ve had. Thank you for the recommend.

btw-Your stream of concsiousness cracks me up, ‘Lionel Kitty City’ ???
February 26, 2008

DHerbie
QOTD1: Trying to convince the better half that a WL party is a reasonable way to spend an afternoon. Did I miss some information on the party? Any ammo would help.

QOTD2: Can’t recall that I have tried much Pinot G.
February 26, 2008

Saftig
If we’re really quiet for the next episode (with cheese) we can listen to Gary’s arteries hardening. Be good to yourself.
QOTD: can’t recall the names but had a couple of great Pinot Gris from Oregon.
February 26, 2008

Jack
I’m flying in from Atlanta that morning. Should be there by 12 if all goes as planned.
February 26, 2008

half century
Q1; Hell Yes!
Q2; fave PG so far – ‘05 Alsace WillM Pinot Gris
February 26, 2008

Senor Sangria
QOTD1: yup yup… Maria and I will be there on March 29th

QOTD2: don’t have one yet
February 26, 2008

Robin C
QOTDs: I’m missing your party by 2 weeks. I’ll be in NYC on April 14th. I’m sad. I don’t drink very many pinot gris/grigios. I have found them to be mostly disappointing, but I’m willing to try again.
February 26, 2008

TommyBoBo of WI
Would LOVE to come to your party the 29th,,, not in the cards, but thanks for the invite
No favorite Pinot Gris,,, have had several, liked em’ enough, just nothing I can remember,,,, but damn that cheese is making me hungry!
February 26, 2008

Katherine
QOTD’s: No, sorry, can’t come to the party. I have to teach college students some stuff. And my favorite PG? Don’t know. Maybe we should taste PG for our first wine tasting group here!
February 26, 2008

Porter
Bethel Heights Pinot Gris is one of my faves.
February 26, 2008

BobbyTiger
No can do Gary. I’m self employed. Q#2- Can count the # of Pinot G’s on two fingers. Not great on my pal. [Like the 15-20 minute shows].
February 26, 2008

Tom L
QOTD1: Yes, I’ll be there. Got parking?????
February 26, 2008

Tom T.
QOTD – Yes. QOTD2 don’t have a favorite of those wines.
Where’s everyone gonna park?
February 26, 2008

Dr. Mike
QOTD: I’ll be there
February 26, 2008

MrTaz
1. Definitely coming on 3/29. Another concerned citizen for parking….
2. Not a big PG fan.
February 26, 2008

Chris
QOTD- #1 No, unless you’re paying for the flight out and back!
#2 No favorite yet, mostly into Sauv Blanc, Reisling and Viognier right now.
February 26, 2008

JC
I want some cheese now! QOTD1: Yes, I’ll try to stop by, but it depends on when my parents arrive that weekend is. QOTD2: I’ll try some this summer hopefully.
February 26, 2008

David Harris
I love the vibe of the back to back shows.

QOTD #1: Nope
QOTD #2: Never had one that I liked
February 26, 2008

Rich
Enjoying the battle format, and great cheese to boot. The singing was great as well, how about a wine and song episode??? :0
February 26, 2008

Dr T from N. Carolina
Nice head-to-head, even if the results were unexpected. Alas, I wish I were attending the March feast!

“T”
February 26, 2008

Geoff
QOTD: 85% chance we’ll be rolling down from CT!
February 26, 2008

Christopher J
QOTD: No WL party for me, unfortunately.

QOTD: I am really not a big fan of Pinot Grigio, so I don’t really have a favorite. Maybe I will give them another whirl.
February 26, 2008

Len
Another good episode…like the head to head with the two glasses showing the difference in the color of the two wines. Can’t make it but have a lot of fun! QOTD Not a pinot grigio type but had a pinot by Palmina that was good outside of the ever so popular Santa Margherita back before I tried red wine.
February 26, 2008

Rhonda
Thanks clown you had me LOLing at my desk at work over the last few seconds of the show. I don’t have a favorite Pinot Gris or Pinot Grigio but I just got some wine today delivered from Wine Lib and there is a Pinot Grigio in there so it may be my favorite
February 26, 2008

Sarah
QOTD2: Love the A to Z and Airlie from Oregon. Also, J. Hofstatter (imported by the same people that bring in the Fantinel) makes a great PG from Alto Adige.
February 26, 2008

Kev and Ams
I remember when I was a kid we had a Lionel Playworld in El Paso, Tx. I loved that place.
February 26, 2008

Phil G
QOTD1 – I’ll be there on 3/29
QOTD2 – In the past, I have enjoyed the St. Michael-Eppan Pinot Grigio
February 26, 2008

chenrys
Great head to head…very interesting.

QOTD 1: Sorry but no.

QOTD 2: Don’t have a favorite although we have tasted some we like.
February 26, 2008

Dominus
Good matchup on the PGs.

QOTD #1: If it were the 22nd yes, but since it was moved to the 29th I doubt I’ll make it since it’s the little woman’s birthday. She has said “If you really want to go . . .” Do you know how long I would pay for that?

QOTD #2: Since visiting Rome a few years back, I had a glass of Livio Feluga PG every single day and it grew on me.

Sante!
February 26, 2008

NY Pete
#1- Only if you have my wristband -insert razz emoticon here- and #2- from Tuscany – Castello Banfi Pinot Grigio San Angelo Toscana IGT
February 26, 2008

Susan
Gary-I want ’som o’dat’ Guapier Estrella!!!! WOW!!! Looks creamy and dreamy!!!
February 26, 2008

Joe Po
I’ll be there if I know you are closing down the block!!!!!
QOTD: No favorites.
February 26, 2008

tuscanbob
1. Haven’t had any Pinot Grigio/Gris that I think are worth mentioning here. I’ll try seeking out that Fantinel…love the color.

2. Can’t make it on the 29th…some of us gotta work.

3. In the early days of cable TV in upstate NY (we got it in 1976 when I was 10), I remember seeing those Lionel Kiddie City ads on WPIX Channel 11…used to watch that channel for the Yankee games and that PIX! game after school…PIX! PIX! PIX! I remember that kangaroo jumping on the frown to turn it into a smile.
February 26, 2008

Tstank
1. I Can’t come to the party. I am from Portland Oregon. But Gary you are killing me with how you pronounce Oregon say it with me “Or-i-gin”
February 26, 2008

Little Jonny H
I like the show format GV, however two wines aren’t enough for one episode!!! I think you should have a sweet 4-8 wine tournament once you come back!

QOTD#1 – I won’t be there, Boo hisssssssss!

QOTD #2- No real favorite Pinot G. While in Italy a couple years back I did have one that left and impression, but i can’t recall the name (I wonder why…)
February 26, 2008

Susan
Gary-Should know in the next couple of days if I can come………….Looking good!!!
February 26, 2008

mike
Its not OreGONE….its “Or a-gain”
February 26, 2008

Primo Bo
I have been waiting for the Gris vs Gigio epp, but you should have done classic France vs Italy.

QOTD: Favorite Gris was the house wine in a cafe in Alsace. Drank wine all up and down the valley and the best one was served in a carafe. Dont know the producer, town, vineyard, or vintage. Favorite Grigio J. Hoffstater. Alto Aldige, Trentino, and Friulli only for the Italian style P.Gri.

Bonus round: I remember the kitty city commercials. Thats old school, right around the time PlayLand burned down… like five different times.
February 26, 2008

EvanR
QOTD: Nope, and I can’t remember the last one that I really liked…
February 26, 2008

Achilles Mike
QOTD1 Wish I could be ther but have to teach Chemistry fo aspiring AP students.
QOTD2= Had many Pinot Gris while tasting in Oregon one summer- most are not memorable. Years ago on Long Island we’d drink lots of Pinot Grigio on warm summer evenings- ah brings back many good memories! But have not had any lately.
A fun show even if the cheese and the ham stole the show!
February 26, 2008

Boog
QOTD1: Unfortunately I blew my vacation wad on WDW, so I won’t be there.
QOTD2: I’m embarrassed, but…….. Santa Margherita
February 26, 2008

Sue Z.
I’m in for 3/29 & looking forward to the battle royal in the parking lot;-)
February 26, 2008

peter
Prefer Pinot Gris style, especially from the Germany, no…now France, nope..Germany…nope France, area that often has “Tokay” before the Pinot Gris.
P
February 26, 2008

JimChem
WillaKenzie is my favorite Pinot Gris.

Jim
February 26, 2008

Keith L
Can’t make 3/29

Love the Pinot, have only found a few I won’t repeat
February 26, 2008

brorjace
Wish I could come all the way out. But I live in Illinois, and my job wouldn’t like me going out to hang with the competition

I haven’t had too many good Pinot Gris, but I like Lageder’s stuff in Italy, and O’Reily’s in Oregon (I think thats the second label of something…)
February 26, 2008

latraviata
I love pinot grigio with fish or Thai food. My favorite was a $10 bottle of Aurora from Italy. I have not been able to locate another bottle, but it was one of those $100 bottles of wine for only $10.
February 26, 2008

Hamid
QOTD: No. Grigio.
That cheese looked really tasty, but at the end it looked like you took a $20 bite.
February 26, 2008

NB_SPAZZ
QOTD1: Can’t make it. Already had plans to run a 5K with friends and family that day.
QOTD2: No single family favorite PG, yet. Wife favors lighter, crisp pinot grigios from Italy. I go more for Or-a-gun pinot gris with a bit more body and some pear + apple action. So every so often we try a couple new under $20s to see if we can find one that’s a winner for both of us. Our next PG head to head will be Willamette Valley Vineyards Pinot Gris vs. Fantinel Tesis Pinot Grigio.
February 26, 2008

cma82
QOTD1: No! I can’t because you moved the date! ((angry face))

QOTD2: I like the Trimbach reserve pinot gris, i haven’t had a ton because I avoided the pinot grigios like the plague until I found the wonderful concentrated ones
February 26, 2008

Utah
March 29th, baby!

How can I say no to a wine library party that’s on my birthday? I’ll be there from North Jersey, but also dragging a friend who’ll be up visiting from Fla, and hopefully a few city dwellers. Still trying to spread that thunder to them all.. I have a feeling that once they walk into the place, they’ll all be sold.
February 26, 2008

KVolk
QOTD1: No sorry
QOTD2: None but I have two to try now

GV love the set up today. pour at the beginning compare and contrast great way to do the show…
February 26, 2008

eyezonwine
We called it Lionel Playworld. Turn that frown upside down. FtL, FL
February 26, 2008

A. Kohli
Definitely had/loved the Kiddie City in Maryland. My GF and I will be there.

QOTD: Only have had Coppola pinot grigio before.
February 26, 2008

eyezonwine
2006 Lucien Albrecht Pinot Gris with some Swiss Gruyere yum.
February 26, 2008

Garrett C.
QOTD: Recently had a Bodega Lurton 05 Pinot Grigio. Argentina..check it out!
February 26, 2008

Dave Canada
QOTD – I am coming! Joe g, Greg O and I are driving from he great white North to be there for the party!!!!! Count us in!!!
February 26, 2008

KAllardNYC
QOTD: Of course I will be there, as well as some family and co-workers.

I had the Nec-otium after your tasting and liked it. Then I bought 2 cases for our Christmas party at work (along with a case of Nero D’Avola).
February 26, 2008

Kristen
Glad the wines were good today!

QOTD1: Still in talks bout coming out (if I do, I’ll be coming from WI)
QOTD2: PG is not a favorite grape, but I did find one that I liked just recently. It’s the (2007?) Inacayal from Argentina. It had some really nice notes of papaya and other tropical fruits. Yum.
February 26, 2008

Canadian Chris
QOTD: Not in anymore dude, gotta jet over to Oregon to do some sniffy sniffy whirly whirly. Boys last trip before the kids start arriving!!
QOTD2: Haven’t had so many pinot gris/grigio, but I did have a stellar Rolly Gassman pinot gris which rocked my world recently.
February 26, 2008

hugh
will be there 3/29…..about a 100 mile trip each way 4 me but worth it, so i’m game!!

i like pg from alsace!!
February 26, 2008

David Masi
Not sure if I will be out there then…Zind-Humbrecht and Sineann are my favorites.
February 26, 2008

ev
I’ve tried quite a few of mostly the Winebow pinot grigios and I must say, I don’t get it. None are bad wines, but too light in every aspect. This is an area where I say my tastes are new world and I do like many of the Ore’-uh-gun and Alsace PG’s. From OR, try Elk Cove. Yep, it’s a little sweet tasting (rs around 0.5 (from the winery)), but very delicious.
February 26, 2008

KyleLikesTies
QoTD1: Afraid I won’t be able to make it in person … Maybe someone at WL could put together some footage for a future WL ep … pour some liquor for all of us who can’t be there ;~P

QoTD2: I’ve not had many pinot grises (Is that the plural?), but I really enjoy the A-Z.
February 26, 2008

KyleLikesTies
Oh, I suppose it’s pinots gris, now that I think of it.
February 26, 2008

Billy Mac
Peninsula Cellars Pinot Grigio (Michigan).
February 26, 2008

Dano
will be there with bells on top ;p also my birthday, i think we have a few late march birthday peeps
i do enjoy the gris…
February 26, 2008

DaveA
Oh, wish I could be there for 3/29. (where is there?)
My Pinot Gris/Grigio favorite – hmm. I like a lot of them. can’t wait to try these you reviewed!
February 26, 2008

SGoodwin
QOTD: My birthday is 3/28 and there is nothing I would rather do than attend the WL bash but unfortunately I’ve got a bachelor party in VT that weekend. Next time!
February 26, 2008

Mike Diz
I will be there!!!!!!!
February 26, 2008

Senator
QOTD 1: No, as much as I’d like to I can’t convince my wife to take a 3,000 mile journey unless the end destination is tropical.

QOTD 2: Believe it or not, I have had several pinot gris’ but the best I have had was from an amateur winemaker friend who lives in the heart of Oregon wine country. He bottled what he made under the label of “Fermenting Friends” and his 2005 was singularly outstanding.
February 26, 2008

JonE
Always been a big fan of Chehalem yet never tried their P/G

QOTD1: Ashamed to say I can’t make it.

QOTD2: Silvio Jermann ofcourse! Not to mention Schiopetto. What a misunderstood grape. But then theres Zind Humbrecht. This is strangely tougher than I thought.
February 26, 2008

Kevin
Oh dude. If I didn’t have a baby at home, and I could just drop and leave, I would most certainly 1000% be in for some Thunder party action. And I’d even get a spot if I did. Cause I’m far away.

QOTD: Honestly, a Mondavi cheap-o that had nice fruit, but flabby acidity and mouthfeel. I just bought another cheap-o yesterday that I’m eager to give a go. I’m trying to dig new things, honest.
February 26, 2008

Mark
GV, Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Is it an open house theme (come and go as you please) or should we plan on making the day of it? BTW, nice job on getting all of this weeks episodes in with the mass taping last Friday. That’s what I call dedication.

Mark from Hackettstown
February 26, 2008

Nedster919
Yes!!! djcruise and I will be making the pilgrimage to mecca! We will be driving down from Boston. Sign us up for the festivities!
February 26, 2008

Skol
Yes I plan on coming March 29th
February 26, 2008

lawschooldrunk
sheesh, gary, what happened today? forget to take the ritilin?

I will not be attending march 29 as I have class that day, and every friggin day ever since I sold my soul to the devil in law school.

QOTD: never had pino gris (either of them )

was this taped today?
February 26, 2008

Shadowbird
QOTD1: Probably not…if I had the money where I could go wherever I want, I would, but no.

QOTD2: I can’t remember the Oklahoma winery that made it, but I’ve found one that was the awesome.
February 26, 2008

E
First PG I ever had was a Zind-Humbrecht … setting myself up for disappointment, I guess. Still good five years later, too.
February 26, 2008

Kirk (AKA: slave2thevine)
Great show….I will unfortunately not be able to make it to the 29th. However, I’m very excited about the 5th. Now for the fun….

QOTD: the Anne Amie Pinot Gris has been my favorite Pinot Gris so far. For two years in a row I’ve loved their Pinot Gris and thier Pinot Blanc. I’m not a fan of their “lower tier” or second lable though.
February 26, 2008

redfrog
GV – Great shows, lovin’ the head-to-heads. 3/29 is my b-day, and we plan on coming over to WL to begin the party.
February 26, 2008

thefanjestic
Qotd – I’ll be in Tampa on business! Sorry GV – rock out Vayniacs!
February 26, 2008

amgryger
QOTD: I’ll definitely be there, possibly with a few friends too.
February 26, 2008

Panosh
Haven’t had enough PG to have a favorite.

Sorry about the 29th, but just too far. Would really love to though.

I am there with the cheese though.

Aloha
February 26, 2008

Jon B.
Great episode thanks again for the pretape.Qotd No ,I would love to be there but my third child is due on the 19th so not going to fit into the plans (maybe next year). And pinot grigio still in experimental faze for me,have had several but not to the point of naming a favorite yet. Ease up on the cheese Gary 1/4 # in 12 min. wow (ahh who cares you only live once). Thanks Gary and WLTV crew
February 26, 2008

Rich S
I will definitely be at the library on 3/29 GV. Should be good times.

Favorite pinot grigio that I had recently was the Borgo Tesis that I actually picked up from WL.
February 26, 2008

Bob Sikorski
Sorry, actually, very sorry to miss the 29th, but I will be out of the country.
February 26, 2008

Dale Cruse
QOTD: Nedster919 and I are coming from Boston for Ye Olde Thunder Partay.

@Kathleen Lisson: We need to hang out.

Other QOTD: Sparr Pinot G from the Alsace.
February 26, 2008

kaybee
Can’t do the March 29th gig, I wish, but a job and 3000 miles.

QoTd
I did try a Chateau St. Michelle Pinot Gris and it was very nice, but none that really rocked. It will require further study.
February 26, 2008

Tom R
You say that Pinot Gris and Pinot Grigio are the same, but Pinot Gris is normally considered heavier.

This is like saying that Germany is the same country as Deutschland, but Germany is normally considered larger.

English and the language of the wine world are the same, but English is normally considered more meaningful. And for good reason, apparently!

I’m not willing to develop a favorite PG until there’s a consensus on whether it’s one thing or two.
February 26, 2008

BoiseWiner
Great episode – I was learnings things like the difference (traditionally) between a Gris and a Grigio; what is a classic taste of a Gris…etc.

QOTD #1: Wish we were joining in the fun but it is not to be.

QOTD #2: From your show we starting buying ‘A to Z Pinot Gris’ and it is now our new favorite.
February 26, 2008

Wine Not?
I’m enjoying this battle week….great idea!

QOTD1: Bad timing….I WISH I could be there on the 29th but I’ll be in Spain! If you ever do another one, I will definitely make the trip!

QOTD2: Felluga Pinot Grigio….discovered it at a tasting of 40+ pinot grigios about 7 years ago….it was the best one we tasted!
February 26, 2008

JLM
I can’t wait to make my first trip to WLTV. See you on the 29th
February 26, 2008

Moselman
QOTD1: Sorry, plan to be enroute to AZ to visit my snowbird bro (not BruciePurpleJuice).

QOTD2: Quite a few friends having a love affair with PG, so it’s another white wine where I’m looking for one that rocks my boat. Many recommends, but still looking.

BTW, don’t know where the “gray pine cone” comes from, but a local winery that specializes in pinot Gris claims it’s Gray Monk, from the Austrian: http://www.graymonk.com/winery01.html
February 26, 2008

pete c
3/29- I’m there. But where do we park???!!
February 26, 2008

Robert
mmmmmmmm…sheeps butt!
February 26, 2008

ryan
Yo Gary – so bummed I can’t come from cali to the mecca that is wine library on the 29th, hopefully next time – oh not much into pinot gris/grigio not really for my pal
February 26, 2008

Jerry the 2thdr
QOTD:The wife and I will be driving up from Portsmouth,VA and staying at the Hilton Short Hills. Would definately like to be included in the hundred from 3-5. Had a good Pinot Gris a few weeks ago but forgot the name. Looking forward to meeting the telephone and shipping I deal with every week. Jerry the 2thdr.
February 26, 2008

Vinsant
Seven Hills Pinot Gris
February 26, 2008

jfoobar
I will be there, coming from DC.

I am a big fan of Alto-Adige PGs, especially some of the offerings from Alois Lageder.
February 26, 2008

Glenn
I thought we scolded you enough on the last Oregon wine but guess you are a slow learner. Have to admit you got it right 50% today.
#1- Sorry won’t make it for 3/29. Too far from San Diego
#2- Haven’t had many Pinot Gris but the one I like the best is J Wine from the Russian River.
February 26, 2008

Michelle
Hi Gary,
I can’t make it on 3/29, but will try to see you in April at Taste of Washington.

Pinot Gris is not for me…I enjoyed the show, anyway!
February 26, 2008

ChrisBerto
QOTD1: Definitely planning on being in the WL hizzy- and hoping to bring the brother-in-law with the fancy cellar…
February 26, 2008

Obama_Man
Great episode GV! I’ll be there for sure!
February 26, 2008

T. Reasoner
sorry my vacation is gone on future trips to japan. Plus Maui is pretty darn far.

I do not drink Pinot Gris or Grigio never cared for it.
February 27, 2008

Rani Haykal
Great Show!!!

Hope your week of traveling is going well.

QOTD 1: If one week earlier, I would have made the trip up from Houston during my spring break, but unfortunately, I can’t afford to take time off that weekend for travel.

QOTD 2: I dont usually drink Pinot Gris/Grigio. The only one I’ve had is the Santa Margharita Pinot Grigio, which was far from anything close to being good. Just not my style. I prefer a sancerre or viogner if I’m going to drink a white wine.

–RH
February 27, 2008

Achilleas in Cyprus
QOTD 1 – 29/3 is a long way to fly from Cyprus, so unfortunately, no

QOTD 2 – Never had a Pinot Gris – gotta try one though seeing as I am trying white whites more now
February 27, 2008

Keith
Q1: Not going to make from Arizona.

Q2: I’ve only tried 2 PG’s, both from Italy, received both as gifts, thought they were like watered down Chards, not at all impressed. I’d be willing to try the ones you reviewed though.
February 27, 2008

nougat
I am planning on being there 3/29.

QOTD – Haven’t had many PGs, but I know it aint Santa Margharita, which sucks. Believe it or not, I really enjoyed a 1.5L of Cavit late one night with friends after a wine tasting. Liked it so much that I went overboard and puked like a teenager later that morning.
February 27, 2008

Chateau_Plonk
1. I’m in Idaho. so…..
2. Best PG I’ve had recently was a fancy Zind Humbrecht which I can’t remember the name of. Ungodly color and concentration. A revelation.
February 27, 2008

Fiorentina!
Hey Gary-
1. Nope. I live in Cali.
2. I do like Elk Cove for domestic, but love what North-East Italy does with the varietal. However, I haven’t had a Pinot Gris from the Alsace…I’ll have to get on that.
February 27, 2008

Lee Dokken
Gary, I am compelled to let you know, that, I think your great bud, I think your style is second to none! Way to go!, you are so consistantly upbeat! (contagious) Hope to meet you some day! Shine On

Lee
North Dakota
February 27, 2008

Sev
I really, really, really want to come down on the 29th, but it looks like I will have to work. It isn’t settled yet, I won’t go down without a fight!

QOTD: My favorite Pinot Gris is from Handley’s Anderson Valley. Delicious wine, and they recently were certified organic I believe. Which is always a plus! I also had a really nice Pinot Grigio from Ohio’s Fireland Isle.
February 27, 2008

Jahlove
QOTD: I will be there for the Thunder Party on the 29th and am coming from out of town (from Washington, DC). Mott – get me in.
February 27, 2008

t_moderne
Cheese!
Bring on Cheese Library TV.
Because milk, with a little bit of rennet, we’re making the cheese world.
February 27, 2008

brent
QOTD#1: Never say never!

QOTD#2: P.Gris Grand Cru Steinert from Pfaffenheim was a great intro to the varietal, but may have set the bar too high!
February 27, 2008

Craig Rost
I remember Kiddie-City. As a child that is what I wanted for Christmas. The whole store!!!
February 27, 2008

Raimond J.
QOTD: Favorite Pinot Grigio: Santa Margherita and Chateau Julien
February 27, 2008

Mason
QOTD: Gary, I would LOVE to be there, but the money is a little tight right now, and I would have to fly in from TN. Sorry, man. One day, I would love to make it up there to meet you and see the WL. Please have as much fun as possible in my absence.

For the second part, I am not really all that into Pinot Gris/Grigio. I tasted one from Italy in a tasting last year that wasn’t all that bad, but I fail to remember the name. Shame on me…
February 27, 2008

RickD
QOTD #1 – sorry dude – too far from CA and I have to work. When are you coming out to SF/Napa area again?
QOTD #2 – ouch – can’t remember the wine exactly, but PG is one of my favs to order at a restaurant – almost always great value and goes great with salad and apps.
February 27, 2008

Lee
I never did figure out how to pronounce that “state between Washington and California” correctly. Great playback between you and the team.

You description of the Chehalem Pinot Gris might just be enough to get me out of my red wine kick and try some white again. Of course, I wrote that line midway through the episode. I have little faith in white wines…
February 27, 2008

Ryan K
Great name for this week’s theme…”Bottle Royale”.
February 27, 2008

Micha
QOTD #2: There are some really fine Pinot Grigios from Collio (Friuli) and also (sometimes even better) from Germany! Btw, We call it Grauburgunder
February 27, 2008

MrJCG1
Gary,

My wife and I will be there. Would love to be included in the after party but if not, we’ll take ourselves over to Scotty’s.
February 27, 2008

Oklahoma Michael
CHEESE! YEAH FOR THE CHEESE! Zind-Humbrecht the greatest pinot gris/grey riesling EVER.
February 27, 2008

MagnumGourmet
QOTD #1 – Nope, won’t be making it out to the East coast for the party.

QOTD #2 – has to be a toss up between Solena (Oregon) and Airfield Estates (Washington). Extremely different from each other, but they both knock my socks off.
February 27, 2008

Dan C.
QOTD 1: Oh man … i wish i could make it GV … but I gotta save my bucks for my upcoming wedding! And I know it’s hard GV … but I love my wife even more than the thundershow.

QOTD 2: Trying to get into white wines currently … as previously mentioned it was a Pinot Grigio that turned me away from white wines to begin with … but im ready to try again … i got one on the way.
February 27, 2008

Bundydb
AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! We are short right now at work so I have to be there the 29th… It sucks but hospitals never close so… Hope everyone that gets to go has a safe trip getting there and has a great time!
February 27, 2008

Yoni Rabkin
“Blue porcupine”… had to put that down for prosperity.
February 27, 2008

Oregon Jim
Qotd – According to my notes the ‘05 Benton Lane Willamette Valley Pinot Gris seemed to be my favorite. I also enjoyed the ‘05 Maresh Yamhill Pinot Gris quite a bit. Both were strong with flavor complexity and good mouthfeel with an excellent clean finish without that sour milk finish I find on so many whites today.

Not coming to NJ for the party. Hope to see you at the Washington thing.

Gary you pronounce California and Washington just fine. I guess I need to work on pronouncing your state as No Joy-zee. Really! I don’t get what is so hard about Oregon? There is no “e” on the end that would make one think that you should say “gone”. It is OR-E-GUN. Just say it moderately fast. You are a smart guy, you can do it. (If you had given the Chehalem a friggen 89 you could have pronounced it any way you wanted.) You seem to be scoring based on $$$ and other’s scores lately. The Chehalem Pinot Gris is an 89 poit wine my friend. Admit it you were totally influenced by WS giving the Fantinel a 90 when you would have scored it higher, so thus had to score the Chehalem lower. It’s ok though I still love you.
February 27, 2008

Phil M'Glassup
Why just this past Sunday we had the Fantinel Tesis Pinot Grigio ordered from freewinelibrary. Delicious and very atypical i inasmuch as it had very good weight and flavour. That was ten bucks very well spent.
I’m hopoing to be there if mass transit will deliver me from nyc. Perhpas someone can post instractuions.
February 27, 2008

Neil
Barefoot makes a good Pinot Grigio for $6.00. I just opened a Gabbiano 2006 for $9.50 which is almost as good. I like Pinot Gris, but would rather have Riesling.
February 27, 2008

J Crazy
Not gonna be able to make it out from Japan.
I like both when they are good and I dislike them both when they are bad.
February 27, 2008

Justin L Ove
Wish I could make it to the party, but I live in Hawaii, and hard to leave the rock more than once a year.

Willakenzie Estate Pinot Gris, Oregon (or-ee-gawn)
February 27, 2008

johnnyfuzzy
Gary you are freakin hilarious with that cheese. You should do a cheese show just so we can hear your stinky analogies…stuff like toejam mixed in with B.O. and you lovin it. Ewww…
February 27, 2008

dave from Osaka (thunderball)
Got the same problem…Japan is too far.

Haven’t had many Pinot Gris or Pinot Grigios so I’ll have to get out there and try a few.
February 27, 2008

Toby
Quality show!

Good analogies – great energy!

I agree with some of the other people leaving comments – it could be very interesting to see a “Cheese-show”. Not meaning to turn the show into a food-show, but just a way to widen the spectrum a little.
E.g.: perhaps choose a wine you know to be great with cheese, and then compare it to a wide range of cheeses. Cheeses of different variety, origin and based on different milks – cow, goat, sheep, elephant
February 27, 2008

Anthony L.
By the way, I love the format of the battling wines. Keep it up.
February 27, 2008

Salvatore
I want some of what you had before the show……………. Because you certainly were on the top of your game!

From now on though; I will add the listen-listen to sniffy-sniff when trying wine. Because the wine is probably telling us something we have all missed, up to now.

Thanks for this new awakening Gary!
February 27, 2008

Ryan D
QotD #1: Yes my wife and I are absolutely coming.

QotD #2: My experience with PGs are limited, so I don’t really have a favorite.
February 27, 2008

Chris Brisson
Hey dude,

Met you at Strategic Profits event. Too bad we didn’t hook up for the quick interview. The other *million* people wanted a piece.

Dig the show man! Keep up the energy.

Looking forawrd to seeing you on Oprah soon.. Mr. Brand

Chris Brisson
February 27, 2008

Chalz
Gary:
For us newbies to wltv. What happens at the Thunder Party and tell us about the after party.
Thanks!
February 27, 2008

italianwinelover
QOTD#1: not planning on it right now, but you never know!!
QOTD#2: a favorite doesn’t really stick out, if I had a choice I would take the Pinot Grigio! And if they are the same grape why screw with the names!!!!

Nice and short today…like that!!

Keep it up GV!
February 27, 2008

Eric
QOTD: My girlfriend and I are going to the 3/29 party.

Another solid smackdown show.
February 27, 2008

Gdizzle
Hopefully I can make it on the 29th, depends on how they’re feeling here in guantanamo.
February 27, 2008

Steve B
QOTD #1: Yes! Coming down from New Hampshire.

QOTD #2: Not a fan of PG in general. It’s chick wine.
February 27, 2008

Capt M
Great taste off! It’s been a while since you’ve done one like this. It’s a lot of fun. I can see myself liking the Pinot Grigio more.
February 27, 2008

Xian
QOTD#1 – I’ll be there on the 29th and will be dragging at least 1 (hopefully 3) other(s) with me. Looking forward to it.

QOTD#2 – I really need to try some PG because I haven’t had much and haven’t had any recently.
February 27, 2008

Tim
Thanks for the cheese tip Gary, I will look for it tonight. Speaking of cheese, ever try Old Amsterdam? – ROCKS. So does Red Dragon …
February 27, 2008

Jessica
QOTD1: I wish I could come Can’t fly to NJ too easily. I’m in CA.
QOTD2: 2006 Roxy Ann Pinot Gris Reserve (a Southern Oregon winery). Super yuuum.

Or-eh-gun. That’s how they say it. Obviously someone wrote in, right? Accent snobs!
February 27, 2008

Fatboy
Hello Everyone, My name is Robert and I am a Lurker. I have been a Lurker now for about 4 months.

The Lionel Kiddie City was the question that made me decide to leave a comment. As a kid growing up in Cleveland, I remember the theme song and the commercials of the kangeroo jumping on the frown and turning it into a smile.

QOTD 1, I won’t be there, since I live in Beijing now.
QOTD 2, I am not a huge PG fan, but on a recent trip to Napa, I tasted the swanson PG and liked it.

PS. Having trouble registering, is this because I am from China and an issue with IP address? Some sites like wikipedia and typepad have issues when people come from China.
February 27, 2008

paul
QOTD1: I will not be at WL until near the end of the party but am on the list for dinner.

QOTD2: Have not found one that I think is worth the money, so there are none in my cellar. I buy them on occasion when friends are coming over and usually get advice from one of the WL folks on what’s good at that time.
February 27, 2008

Rolf Lydecker
Now here I thought I was the only one who compared white wine colors with pee. I’m not special anymore.
February 27, 2008

Rolf Lydecker
P.S. Although in CT, i will not be able to attend the WL Bash…I’ll be drinking my wine here…
February 27, 2008

Taylor
Great episode, cheese looked amazing!
QOTD Try to be there kind of a long drive and really liked the A to Z pinot gris had some others from alsace that were phenom!
February 27, 2008

W Miree
QOTD: 1. Sorry I can’t be there Friday.
2. I like the Chehalem Pinot Gris, but my current favorite is the original American pinot gris: Eyrie. The current vintage of it is very similar to how you described the Fantinel. It is way darker colored than the Chehalem, and fuller bodied. I last had it with a light, but rich and full flavored, crawfish dish, and it was a stunning match.
February 27, 2008

MattUS
QOTD: As of now I plan on being there on the 29th.

I know exactly what you mean regarding fantasy baseball!
February 27, 2008

Karl Laczko
We know you like cheese, but “You prefer cheese to wine?”
QOTD1 – No, I’d love to but it’s a bit too far for me to make it, busy time of year you know.
QOTD2 – I’m not a big PG taster, but I’ve had a couple of Alsace ones I really liked, don’t have the details to hand right now (since I’m in a hotel in the Gulf!).
February 27, 2008

chapinco
Elk Cove Pinot Gris favor’d
February 27, 2008

Sassodoro
QOTD1. I wish I could make it, but I can’t get away from work.

QOTD2. I’ve had a bunch of good ones, most recently Italian Pinot Grigio’s from Ermacora and from Marco Furlan (a.k.a. Castelcosa). Probably my all-time favorite was an Alsatian Pinot Gris: Lucien Albrecht 2005 “CuvÃ©e Romanus.” Delicious. Had notes of ginger, green tea, and ginseng.
February 27, 2008

Eric
QOTD #2: Favorite PG? Milbrandt Pinot Gris, Columbia Valley, WA . . . can drink it for days. Great with a raw stinky sheep’s milk cheese (I love cheese too!)

QOTD #1: Can’t make it this time, party down without me.
February 27, 2008

Scott
Great show, got to get out and try some Pinot Gris/Grigio

QOTD: 1. I can’t make it, I’m going to the IndyCar race at Homestead/Miami that day. If something like that happens again I’ll be able to plan better though and fly in.

2. I haven’t had either. It’s tough for a CKC saving up for Med School in the fall. Every time I go home I buy wine for my family (with their money) and this’ll definitely go on the list!
February 27, 2008

Robertico el cantante
Hey Gary,

QOTD1: I am really, really going to try to be there for the party on 3/29. I am coming from Miami FL, so I can’t say for sure yet. I’ll tell you for sure soon… if so please hook me up with 2 raffle tickets…

QOTD2: I don’t really have a favorite Pinot Grigio, but I really liked the one you had on free shipping a couple of weeks ago… Fantinel Borgo Tesis

Anyways… looking forward to the party and the anniversary pack… I think it arrived today

Ciao

Robert
February 27, 2008

LarryTheWineGuy
GV, QOTD 1- I wish I could come up from Florida to hang but I am using my time off for The Taste Of Washington in April out in Seattle. 2- As a Certified Sommelier and in the Wine Retail Business and nicknamed “The Mayor Of Oregon”…I am always going to recommend to my Clients that for the most part Oregon Pinot Gris is the way to go my personal favorite from 2006 is Erath at $14 88 Pts Wine Spec. Even though Pinot Gris and Pinot Grigio are made from the same grapes…I don’t think it is a fair Match-Up. Italian Pinot Grigio is Made In A Completely Different Style as you can see by the color of The Italian Pinot Grigio and the color of the Dark Bottle which probably indicates that the Wine Has Seen Some Oak where the Oregon Pinot Gris is made in Textbook Style for the Varietal…A Light Crisp Fruit Foward, Great Acidity Wines and more Sugarfied. Pinot Gris is not supposed to be waxy and a middleweight like a Rhone Viogner. So Oregon Winemakers produce Pinot Gris in the Alsatian Style and Italians do their own thing….and My Pal when it wants a Light Crisp, Honeydew Melon, Refreshing Glass of White Wine with crisp Acidity is always 100% Of The Time going to choose and recommend for other people’s Pals Oregon or Alsatian Pinot Gris and Not Italian Pinot Grigio. Today’s Rumble was like a Middlewieght Boxer going up against a Featherweight…same sport…different class…not a fair comparison!
February 27, 2008

crank
QOTD1: Sorry, not going to make it from Oregon.
QOTD2: King Estate Domaine Pinot Gris.
February 27, 2008

LarryTheWineGuy
A-Z Wineworks And King Estate Domaine 2 Great Ones as well
February 27, 2008

hb
Great show Gary! Now you have me hungering for some Thai food and that great sounding Chehalem Pinot Gris!
February 27, 2008

Mott T Hoople
There is ne’re a Saturday when I do NOT make an appearance at WL, but as it happens I will be out of town on a college visit with my daughter. Oh the injustice!
But, as our captain knows – family first!

Enjoy everyone!

Anyone know any good spots in Pittsburgh?
February 27, 2008

PFORTY
QOTD: I am planning on being therem if my rehearsal schedule will allow!!!

QOTD2: need to try some first…
February 27, 2008

Robert Howells
Unable to attend the party. Maybe it is time for another contest and the winner will win transportation to and from Wine Library. ArrowLeaf has a stunning Pinot Gris.
February 27, 2008

Colin
GV – Can’t make the 29th dude. Conference that day. Love to drink some wine and visit the WL (and bring something back to Boston) – but have to get school by some peers. QOTD2 – I don’t have a favorite PG! Better look into that…
February 27, 2008

Mike Z in SD
Can’t make it to the party from the West Coast… wish I could. I’ve liked Alsatian Pinot Gris for a while.
February 27, 2008

JeffC
QOTD 1: no sorry, won’t be there in the Garden State for the WL gathering. Wish I could. #2, I know I have had both but cant say I have a single favorite. Will keep and eye out for the Chehalem next time we’re doing spicy asian or thai.

Like the format the shows Gary and love the cheese tastings. Making me hungry for sure.
February 27, 2008

Wade
Is there a little patch of NJ woods near the WL that’s adjacent to someone’s backyard where we can hang out and build a discreet campfire, grill up some meat, swill wine and find Schaefer beer cans from the seventies?

Although, I probably won’t be there since my wife will be on the verge of birth or have recently given birth.
February 27, 2008

Carlitos
QOTD. I’d have loved to attend, but unfortunately South Florida is too far away to try to make it. I already travel enough as it is during the week…

QOTD2. Friuli is my favorite source of PG these days. But I have to admit, I probably don’t drink enough of it.
February 27, 2008

Samuel Paes
sorry, not flying from Brazil to NJ this time…
February 27, 2008

judi
great show…wish i could be there on the 29th but alas…too far from WA
oh, and by the way, you are doing much better on the Oregon pronunciation.
and thanks for the good comments on our great WA cheese Estrella…we love it!
February 27, 2008

joe f.
It’s105 miles for me to get there but I am going.
February 27, 2008

Michael
First Post!!!! Newly Introduced to the Thunder Program I openly admit to the sheer, shall we say, “awesome-ness” of the program. Part of the CKC i must say i love the program.

QOTD: Hailing from Northen NJ, I will defantly be in attendance 3/29!
February 27, 2008

DCro
QOTD: Coming up from the Philly area on the 29th. Bringing a total of five people. Two that haven’t seen your show, and one who refers to you as “that crazy wine guy.” Still spreadin’ the Thunder.
February 27, 2008

John Funk
I was drinking a glass of country time while watching this episode.
QOTD 1: I wish I could…it’d be quite the flight :/

P.S. GREAT intro this episode! w00t
February 27, 2008

ChezJosh
Alsace. No question. Specifically, I can’t say which label I prefer, but I’m seldom disappointed by them.
February 27, 2008

Christian
Won’t be able to make it on the 29th.

Don’t have a favorite PG, still looking, enjoy many from the Northwest.
February 27, 2008

ValerieM
QOTD1: No
QOTD2: Not Sure if I have a favorite PG. I don’t think I’ve had very many.
February 27, 2008

Blum
QOTD: I’ll be home for the weekend from UMass so I am planning on being there!
February 27, 2008

Coupe 60
QOTD 1: I will probably stop down there during the day at some time, little league schedule allowing….
February 27, 2008

Alfredo Mendoza
When Are you coming to Las Vegas ????
February 27, 2008

Bill & Wendy Wilcox
QOTD1: Wendy and I are trying to get our schedules lined up to be down on the 29 March 2008. I’d say 50/50 chance… depends if I get a travel assignment or not for that time period.

Regardless, we enjoyed meeting you and the WL crew at the Boston Wine Expo a few weeks back and your cheese was great. Should be even better in NJ.

QOTD2: No, not yet.

Warmest regards
Bill and Wendy
Montreal, Canada
February 27, 2008

WineFellow
QOTD 1: NO, I will be at my fantasy BB draft that night. Hey, Gary is a fantasy geek too!
QOTD 2: I have been digging the King Estate Pinot-G (in da hizzee) lately. Lighter, with some dang tasty lemon curd flavors. Of all time, my favorite was a Gris from Preston Vineyards, waaaay up at the top of Dry Creek Valley in Sonoma. Go there, buy some bread, drink some wine, play some bocce.
February 27, 2008

MW_DM,IA
QOTD: Wish I could, but that’s quite the distance to come up with an excuse for traveling so suddenly. I’ll find an excuse to come visit some time.
February 27, 2008

JeffK
Great show Gary!

QOTD #1: Since I live in So Cal, I won’t be making the Thunder party, however my wife and I are attending a wedding in May in Jersey City so we’d love to stop by WL if we get a chance. Have a great time on 3/29!

QOTD#2: Pinot Gris isn’t really my cup of tea so to speak, so no comments here.
February 27, 2008

Patrick L
GV, I will be at the 3-29 event and will be brining a crew (12) with me in an RV….make some room. We will show up at 11am and roll out around 1pm

Pat
February 27, 2008

Orion Slayer
I think your shows this week would be the best way to learn about wine: a side by side comparison. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to have two bottles open at the same time!

QOTD: I wish I could be there on 3/29, but sadly, funds say not.

QOTD2: I don’t know pinot.
February 27, 2008

Lois and Greg
We will be there 3/29.
February 27, 2008

Carly
QOTD1: NO! Phooey. If I had a million dollars, or half a million, or a quarter million, or heck, if I had $2000: I would be there! I am so jealous.

Also, I think you are going to be surprised by the hordes of people that show up.

QOTD2: Bandit Boxed Pinot Grigio! Oh yeah. No, I’m serious.
February 27, 2008

Dave from VA
QOTD 1: Wish I could, but I’d be fibbing if I said yes.

QOTD 2: Don’t have much selection here, I would have to pick one of the high volume brands, most of which have tasted the same to me. I did recently have the store brand PG from Whole Foods and found it acceptable.
February 27, 2008

Tommy Vernieri
Sorry, not going to make it for the party, too may other trips this year.

I really liked the 2005 Wine by Joe Pinot Gris at a tasting. We bought some bottles and it was good but not amazing, but that’s the one that sticks out most in my memory.

We were also big fans of the 2005 J Pinot Gris.
February 27, 2008

Larry D
Territorial Pinot Gris…rocks!
February 27, 2008

E-Dub
QOTD 1: 3/30 is Shan-Dub’s 32nd… Maybe I can convince her that a great way to spend her B-day would be to visit the “Dirty Jers” and WL…

QOTD 2: Best PG I’ve had is one that my Father-In-Law made from purchased “Italian” juice (it could have been from Cali, NY or elsewhere, but you don’t argue with the guys in Pittsburgh’s Strip District). Really interesting bannanas and honey on the nose. Bone dry, but he didn’t rack it enough times, which left an interesting little C02 “frizante” that gives it a good acidic backbone. The most odd thing about it is that the finish is super long with bannana, pineapple, and pickled ginger notes. I don’t love white wines, but I find myself wanting to save some of this.
February 27, 2008

agentorange
QOTD #1: No. Our grant has not come through yet.

QOTD #2: Warming up to the Pinot gris and grigios. Looking forward to finding a favorite soon. Had a Parducci (grigio) from Cali, which for less than ten bones was pretty tasty.

Love the head to head format GV.
February 27, 2008

pawncop
Will not be able to attend. Work and such preclude this.

Have only tried one PG and cannot recall at this moment what it was. It was OK but I need to explore it further.
February 27, 2008

RB
GV,
Thanks for bringing the cheese into the Thunder…..please, bring more to the mix with great wines.
I am not a big Pinot Grigio or Gris wine fan, but I love Tai food. However, your review of this Fantinel might change my mind.

Good episode…..keep the cheese coming..and please say which one the cheese pairs best!!!!!
February 27, 2008

wannaBconnoisseur
Love the battles this week!

Q1-I wish!!
Q2-Not sure on the Pinot Gris, however my wife and I had our first Alsacian Gruner Veltliner tonight and it rocked!!! Never would have tried this let alone known what Gruner was before WLTV, thanks GV!
February 27, 2008

Nick Lewis
I’m definitely going to come, although I can’t stay all day.

I can recall a couple of good pinot gris/pinot grigios over the years. One was from Napa–I think the maker was Luna or something. I’ve had some good ones from Alsace. I have had many from Italy, but nothing stands out particularly. My experience with is grape variety is one of pleasant tastes, but never overwhelmed.
February 27, 2008

Nicolas
Gary,

I think that the main difference between Pinot Grigio and Pinot Gris is the market share and the growth of each category. Pinot Grigio was growing 5 times as fast a few years back and many wineries made the move to Pinot Grigio because they could sell more wine than if they use the pinot gris name.

Anyway, favorite PG is King Estate.
February 28, 2008

steve-o
GARY!!! I’d love to be there on the 29th, but I’m based in western MA. I’d really love to make it, but I know I wont get there any earlier than 1pm or so.

PLZ add me to the special later list!!!
February 28, 2008

BradK
I love that you give white wines some R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

QOTD: Navarro Pinot Gris from Anderson Valley
February 28, 2008

YoungDave
QOTD 1: I’d love to be there, but the cross-sountry trek is more than I can afford.

QOTD 2: I’ve had an ok Oregon Pinto Gris (Panther Creek) and an ok Pinot Grigio (Salvalai) recently, but I’m looking forward to my next WL shipment with a bottle of Fantinel Tesis Pinot Grigio coming VERY soon, and maybe then I’ll have a proper answer for this one.
February 28, 2008

yowens
i like this head to had format, I feel like I learn a lot. QOTD a. nope, stuck in Providence b. Inman family PInot Gris
February 28, 2008

Von P
QOTD: I will be there on the 29th ready to rock! Bringing an as of yet non-wine buddy but will hope to convert to a vayniak.
February 28, 2008

Donna Marie
QOTD I: Will try to be there.
QOTD II: Sineann Pinot Gris, also Ponzi
February 28, 2008

sgevurtz
Everyone talks about how Oregon is the place for Pinot Gris. Personally, I find most of them decent but all pretty similar and one-dimensional. I think Oregon shines more with its Burgundian style Chards (Try Cameron or David Hill). They definitely have more complexity without getting all stupid California on your ass. The price point is spot on too for domestic Chards. Gary, you almost said Oregon right but then you messed it up again. Say it with me now . . O-REE-GUN.
February 28, 2008

sgevurtz
Oops . . then you got it right again! Yeah Gary. Sorry I’m a jerk.
February 28, 2008

Arjen Blom
Sorry can’t join you at the party, too long swim from Singapore! My recent Pinot Gris I really enjoyed was Fairhall Downs 2007 from Marlborough NZ. Great wine for a good price. Arjen Blom
February 28, 2008

Scottie P
QOTD #1: I am so there, and I’m bringing the Fam. I’ll see you at 11am.
QOTD #2: No fav. yet, because I’m more into the Chards.

P.S. I remember the Lionel Kiddie City commercials!
February 28, 2008

wayno da wino
Yo Gee !!
Coooool Episode !!!
QOTD1: Would Looooooove to be there, but gotta go in for anodher
Lobotomy (actually major dental work on me choppers).

QOTD2: Don’t drink much PG…..but da Adelsheim (OR) & Navarro (CA)
were pretty decent.
February 28, 2008

shawnandlu
QOTD1: No it’s a long way from San Diego and we are heading to Kona the week after.
QOTD2: MacMurry Sonoma 2005 Pino Gris is pretty solid athough I’m not real big Pinot Gris fan.
February 28, 2008

GR8wine
Hi Gary,
Sitting sick at home catching up on episodes. Can’t think of a better past time to get the mind off the misery than this!
1st of all, love the head to head varietal competitions.
2d, what a coincidence – just had some ‘06 Chehalem Pinot Gris last night.
Sorry can’t make it to the Thunderparty. We are having a murder mystery wine dinner and I get to play a role.
As for Pinot – I’ve had a lot of them but can’t really narrow it to 1. I haven’t had any expensive ones, but the best was from Alsace but I can’t remember the name.
February 28, 2008

Deano
Gary good episode i am just catching up on them.

QOTD:
-No i cant make it i will be on vacation in Mexico
February 28, 2008

Tooch
used to go to lionel kiddie city all the time growing up in philly.

great show gary
February 28, 2008

Josh in Burgundy
QOTD1: Nope still working in the Burgundy at that point.

QOTD2: Had an amazing PG from Italy but forgot the name. I saved the cork and it is back at my house in the good ole US of A
February 28, 2008

JayZee
Great show! And we had Lionel Kiddie City here in Ohio as well.

QOTD1: Darn it, but I’ll be flying to Geneva, Switzerland that day so, no, I cannot be there. Darn it!!!!

QOTD2: I’m not a big Pinto Gris/Grigio fan to date. I had a 2006 Masa Canali Pinot Grigio that was pretty decent, though.
February 28, 2008

Harley Stan
Gary, great episode and you anwered my question about Grigio and Gris. I received a set of the Eisch wine glasses for Christmas, I love them!!!
QOTD 1- Unfortunately I will not be there next month
QOTD 2- I haven’t found a favorite yet, I keep trying them but my Pal doesn’t like them.
February 28, 2008

beam67
Great show and interesting colors to the wine.

QOTD 1: sorry, not giving up skiing utah. will be a blast

QOTD 2: Barmes-Beucher Silicis Pinot Gris – the intensity and depth of the floral aromas were fantastic and were backed backed solid granite stone.
February 28, 2008

Chad B.
QOTD 1: My company has a client going live with Great Plains on April 1st. As such I regret to inform you that I do not plan on attending the Thunder Party on March 29th.

QOTD 2: I have only tried 3 PG’s but of those 3 I would say I liked the 2006 Stellina di Notte the best.
February 28, 2008

Benjamin-VaTech
Qotd: Maybe. Road Trip?

SQotd: (superflorous question of the day) Don’t have one. Yet.
February 28, 2008

Omallley
QOTD2 – My favorite Pinot Gris is the Trimbach Reserve Pinot Gris from Alsace.
February 28, 2008

Ben F
Yo GV miss ya buddy. I am going to try like hell to get there on the 29th I would be coming from Reading PA about 2 hours away…
Anyway I get to taste a couple of pinot grigio’s very soon Terrazzo,Lechthaler and Bertani.. So i will let ya know…
February 28, 2008

Ben F
Oh i forgot Kiddie city was awesome… Much better than Toys R Us…. Bring back the cool toys of the 80’s
February 28, 2008

Kevin C
QOTD: Won’t be able to make it up this time GV. QOTD #2: Don’t drink a lot of PG but have found Zenato to be a consistently good producer.

You mentioned the sugar cane aromas..they harvested the crops around here in mid December and that smell hangs in the air for about a week.
February 28, 2008

ScottG
QOTD#1: Sorry, I can’t be at WL on 3/29–but I will see you the next week in Seattle!
QOTD#2: I haven’t had a lot of Pinot G, so no favorites.

I like the head-to-head format, especially seeing both wines in a glass side-by-side. A direct comparison often tells you much more than tasting them one after another.
February 29, 2008

Sam Lydecker
I’m ready to quit my job of seven years to make it down there for the 29th. I’ll do my best, sir. I’ve been dying to see the thunder’s homested.
February 29, 2008

MannyPants
Enjoying this weeks format GV. Don’t think I’ll be able to get to NJ this March un fortunately. I am a fan of the VanDuzer Pinot Gris.
February 29, 2008

DJB
I am totally a sucker for milkshakes, and right down the road from my office is a cold stone creamery. I go in about 3 times a month to get their half off milkshake on Thursdays. I get the cheese cake ice cream mixed with graham crackers and real strawberries. Nothing beats it right now.

Great idea with the head to head action.
February 29, 2008

jwhi
Will be there on the 29th. Room is already reserved so we can spend the night. Sitter for the kids is already arranged. Have recruited 3 non-Vayniacs to come along for the fun. Counting down the days…..
February 29, 2008

DARREL LAS VEGAS
QOTD : CA SELVA PINOT GRIGIO
March 1, 2008

Matti
have to try that cheese. pinot gris is the best best white variety! i feld in love to it in 2007 when i did vintage in Tasmania. answer: tamar ridge winery pinot gris
March 1, 2008

RJ
QOTD: Burrowing Owl Pinot Gris from Oliver BC (Canada)
March 2, 2008

HeadWino
QOTD #1: As of now my wife and I are planning to fly in for the party. Have had some health concerns of late and hope that doesn’t alter the plans.
QOTD #2: Nec-otium from Italy.

B
March 2, 2008

Brian Johnson
GV,
Although it would be a great trip, I won’t be able to make it out on 3/29 from Hawaii. When we do move back to the east coast, I’ll definitely make the trip to the store. I’ve been discovering a bunch of new varietals lately and haven’t yet tried Pinot Gris or Pinto Grigio that I can remember. Started out as a red fan and have recently started trying and buying the whites. Chard, Sauv Blanc, and Gewurz are the ones I’ve tried so far, but will seek out some PGs.
March 2, 2008

Daniel O
QOTD: I had an off-dry style Pinot Gris from Fielding Estate that I enjoyed, which is saying a lot since I generally don’t drink PG.
March 2, 2008

malliemcg
QOTD1: No – 12,300km is just a wee bit too far to travel.

QOTD2: JOSEPH â€˜dâ€™Elenaâ€™ Pinot Grigio, would be my fave PG.
March 3, 2008

John B
The only Pinot Gris I’ve ever had was from Sterling Vineyards. I recall really enjoying it.
March 4, 2008

J-Pipes
QOTD:
1. Maaaaaayyybe….
2. Tutu Pinot Grigio from Cali!
March 5, 2008

Will G
QOTD: I’ve always liked the J Pinot Gris. Served it, along with their Pinot Noir and sparkling white, at my wedding. (www.jwine.com)
March 6, 2008

Snkypete
QOTD 1 : Yes! Can’t wait!

QOTD 2 : Fantinel Tesis PG
March 6, 2008

Cuse Wino
QOTD- Ritratti PG is prob my favorite

I will be there 3/29
March 6, 2008

Andy
1: OMG I wish
2: I really enjoy Alsatian Pinot Gris (great with a mushroom and bacon omlette), I may have a line on some 01 Grand Crus from Josmeyer. The other one that stands out is the A to Z Pinot Gris from Oregon for it’s great value (liked that one with a salad with bacon and scallops on it).
March 7, 2008

Davey
1: tough getting to wine library from L.A. ::sob::
2: i recently had a tasty trimbach pinot grigio. pear-y.
March 9, 2008

Dan-o
Good show – I am a definite fan of the Pinot G’s.

QOTD 1 – I am not sure whether I can make it. I have a trip planned to Juarez, MX and it may interfere.

QOTD 2 – Alois Legeder from Alto Adige – rocks!
March 13, 2008

Lawrence Leichtman
I want to come to the party but haven’t figured out where to stay yet. I have had the Chelhalem Pinot Gris and about 1/2 dozen others from Oregon and Washington. My favorite Pinot Gris are from Alsace though.
March 19, 2008

Logan Leichtman
Let me know if you can make it! I’ll figure out a way to get to Jersey. I’ll bring some of my group.
April 23, 2008

Amarone
my favorite Pinot Grigio is Pieropan, from Veneto I believe.
Cin cin
May 3, 2008

F McGuire
Hey Gary

Did you realise that the Grigio in Pinot Grigio is pronounced Greejoe and not Greezeeoh? Grigio is Italian which means you pronounce it this way.
May 20, 2008

CBone
Favorite Pinot Grigio…can’t think of any. I think I’ll try one tonight. Also, what’s up with people making fun of how you speak, like the comment below mine!? You say “grigio” however you want. You bring real smiles to many people, and you ought not forget that. Thanks, and keep the great shows coming.
January 8, 2009

Dessert Wine Nerd
I can honestly say I wish Drago punched Rockys head clean off in 4 so there wouldnt have been a 5 or 6. Actually I’ll go so far as saying I wish Creed did it in 1 so that would have been it. I just dont find any of the Rocky’s to be watchable. Nice color on the 2005 Fantinel Sant Helena Pinot Grigio. I could just swim in that. QOTD1: I wish I could have gone. If I had the ability to take lots of vacations Id pretty much follow you around to events and things in other states. QOTD2: I havent tasted much other than the cheap $8 a bottle kinds my parents have bought.
September 21, 2009

ulu ulu ulu ulu
Rocky 4 is the best Rocky

QOTD: Don’t have one
October 30, 2009

Dee
It is NOT gree-gee-oh, and it is NOT Ory-gone. PLEASE~! Otherwise good information.