German Pinot Noirs – Episode #566

October 28, 2008

Who talks about Pinot Noir from Germany? Gary V does!

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“Gary – I have always found wines to change as they develop in the glas…” by Steve
“My mother is from the Baden region! Everything tastes good there….” by Tobias
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Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Oberrotweil Pinot Noir Estate
2005 Oberbergen Pinot Noir Select
2005 Karl H. Johner Pinot Noir

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November 1, 2008

Erik Wait
German red wine is like German opera, it is only enjoyable when you are pissed off and feel like invading another country!

Erik Wait

“Adventures in Wine Tasting”

P.S. You forgot to say, “…whether they like it or not!”
November 1, 2008

Martin Linder
The answer to your question “What is the best non US, non Burgundy Pinot Noir is without a doubt the Felton Road, block 5 2002. Tasted together with a flight of DRC this wine was the show of the night.
November 1, 2008

Patrick Haaren
Hi Gary,
it has to be Felton Road Block 5 Pinot Noir from Central Otago New Zealand.
Superbe bottle.
November 1, 2008

Jim in Atlanta
I have had quite a few German Pinots when in Germany. I was lucky to be in southern Germany on business many times and enjoyed the spaetburgunder. I have one that I brought back from the Rhein in May. The people at the winery said more Germans like red wine now and they are planting more red grape vines. Thanks for doing this episode.
November 1, 2008

Dan-o
Cool show – I have had a Spaetburgunder (pronounced shpet-burgunder) in the past, but not nearly as good as what you seem to have experenced. I liked learning about Baden, a region I do not know well.

QOTD – I had an Australian pinot noir that came from Sparky and Sarah (i think). It was in a bottle with a ghoulish label that I can’t seem to remember the name of. I think it was $70, not worth the price point, but a good pinot out of a different geo.
October 31, 2008

Carlitos
QOTD. 1998 Torti Pinot Noir Barrel Aged from the Oltrepò Pavese in Lombardia, Italy. As complex as the best Burgundy I’ve had. Purchased their 2003 Bonarda from WL hoping to repeat the experience and it was terrible.
October 31, 2008

Valentin
QOD: From South Africa. I don’t remember the producer. It was from a bay area. Walker’s Bay, maybe?
October 31, 2008

Ilse
Congratulations with this choice of wine for this episode…it takes some guts, I would say.
QOTD : I appreciate pinot noir, but most of the ones I had are from Alsace (although I passed through Luxemburg recently and I bought some…haven’t tried them yet, as I was flying back to Spain afterwards with only hand luggage…I will try after Xmas, when returning by car). Travelling through Chile and New Zealand, I tried the local ones and I was really impressed by the ones from NZ…
October 31, 2008

theduffy
Great show!

QOTD: Love the Johner Pinot Noir, Love Fürst Löwenstein, Love Meyer-Naekel’s Spätburgunder from the tiny little Ahr Region in Germany! There’s a lot of greaaaattt Spätburgunder in the country!

See you one day
Marlene theduffy
October 31, 2008

Nik
QOTD: I find the Martinborough area in NZ to have some of the best pinots – would have to choose the 2005 Voss Estate as the best I’ve had.
October 31, 2008

Ray Barnes
I would very much like to know why the last wine achieved a 90 point rating when it literally smelled like garbage.
October 31, 2008

Andrew D
Cheers Gary

Interesting show, I’m impressed with the screwtop, those nutty Germans aren’t afraid of voting science of sentamentality.

QOTD: Tough question when there’s so much good stuff out there. Had a few German and Alsace Pinots, as well as plenty of NZ and Chilean ones, but I’ll have to go Australian. Contenders include
- Paringa Estate Reserve (Mornington Peninsula)
- De Bortoli Reserve (Yarra Valley)
- Hillcrest (Yarra Valley)
- Bay of Fires (Tasmania)
- Stoniers Reserve (Mornington Peninsula)
- Mooruduc Estate (Mornington Peninsula)
- Henty Estate (Henty – western victoria)
- Hoodles Creek (Yarra Valley – one of the great value wines in Australia)
- Dalwhinne (Pyrenees – actually a warmish climate, interesting wine)

Andrew
October 30, 2008

Steven Groves
Great episode. I am a newby to WineLibrary.TV but enjoy wines regularly. My quest in the wine world is to find good bottles of everyday wine under $10, great bottles under $20 and amazing bottles under $30. Looks like I found a guy who can help in the journey – see you in Phoenix on Nov 19 for the 3rd Arizona Entrepreneurship Conference!
October 30, 2008

Jason S.
QOTD: don’t think i’ve ever had a pinot from outside the US or FR. But that just means I need to go find one and expand my palate.

Want the green wristband! For sure!
October 30, 2008

canadapete
Never knew of pinot from germany! Expanding palates everywhere.
October 30, 2008

Bimi
Loved to see some german wines on the show. Although I’m from germany I rarely had a german Pinot. Will go and taste some by next chance.
October 30, 2008

Vericlese
LOL, treadmill viewers! Great show, good man, amazing wine insight. Thank you for making my evenings the best part of my day.
October 30, 2008

JLed
Gary,

I have never had a Pinot that I have enjoyed. I have had 7 or 8 and they were all full of oak chips and just not enjoyable. I have had one Washington and the rest California! I just avoid them at this point. Tired of wasting my money
October 30, 2008

J Crazy
QOTD: If we can forget the price tag, the Grosset 06 Pinot is pretty damn good stuff, but for around 80 bones I won’t be buying the same vintage again…for a long time.
October 30, 2008

Nathan
Mt Difficulty Central Otago fort sure.
October 30, 2008

Gert Maas
Hi there!

For me it must be the Weingut Nelles Spätburgunder B-52 Goldkapsel i tasted in 2006. Great wine with mineral notes, quite heavy (14.5%).

Even over here in The Netherlands (neighbour of Germany) German Pinot Noir is a rarity. Trying my best to change the general opinion by importing some myself..

Gert.
October 30, 2008

vinoBlue
qotd: I’m disappointing myself in terms of diversity, but I haven’t have any non-Cali, non-Burgundian Pinot. I’ll have to pick one up.

Since you’re on a tare of doing different and unusual shows, how about a show on Mead – yeah, Honeywine. Just thought you might want to bring some more learning up in this piece…
October 30, 2008

YoungDave
QOTD: I’ll go with a general region (other than New Zealand): not only Casablanca Valley, Chile and San Antonio, Chile, but I had a Pinot Noir From “Hopler” from Austria recently… firm, pungent, no-nonsense wine, but real.
October 29, 2008

flavasauce
QOTD: I recently had my first german pinot-undone It was really nice. Liked the minerality.

GOBAMA!!!!
October 29, 2008

BW
QOTD : I am actually drinking some Omrah Pinot form Western Australia tonite. I would give it 90 pt – very good, somewhere between a new world fruity Pinot & an world Burgundian Pinot – has a little of both elements. A solid every-nite drinker