EP 23 Episode #23 – 2005 Bordeaux Futures vs. 2003 Bordeaux.

2003 Chat Haut Beyzac

2003 Chat Clos De Sarpe

2003 Chat Marojallia

Watch as Gary Vaynerchuk talks about the upcoming 2005 vintage from Bordeaux, and debates the value of the 2003 vintage versus the 2005s.

If you are going to be playing the 2005 Bordeaux futures game, this is a must-see episode!

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  • kw

    i took a bottle of the chat haut beyzac with me to the beach a week ago…thought it would be nice time to try a good bordeaux…haven’t had much experience with bordeaux. well, i ended up popping the bottle with a few friends and after this episode i wonder if perhaps i was missing the mark in terms of how i judged it at the time. I remember the wine being very green…seemed tannic and dry…which to me took away from the flavorfulness i was expecting. of course i think some of the problem was that i did not allow it to breath for very long before i poured some glasses. also, i am thinking this wine is perhaps more on the ‘old world’ side of things (someone please correct me if i am wrong) and i am just not experienced enough yet to appreciate its more subtle nuances. i am glad you did this episode though and i will have to pick up another bottle and pay more attention…for me it was not a good beach wine…and what i mean by that is that it seems to be a wine that deserves more attention than i was able to give it at the time…i did pick on the liquorice and smoothness…but liek i said, at the time is seemed a very sharp taste, hard for me to decipher.
    -kw

  • kw

    i took a bottle of the chat haut beyzac with me to the beach a week ago…thought it would be nice time to try a good bordeaux…haven’t had much experience with bordeaux. well, i ended up popping the bottle with a few friends and after this episode i wonder if perhaps i was missing the mark in terms of how i judged it at the time. I remember the wine being very green…seemed tannic and dry…which to me took away from the flavorfulness i was expecting. of course i think some of the problem was that i did not allow it to breath for very long before i poured some glasses. also, i am thinking this wine is perhaps more on the ‘old world’ side of things (someone please correct me if i am wrong) and i am just not experienced enough yet to appreciate its more subtle nuances. i am glad you did this episode though and i will have to pick up another bottle and pay more attention…for me it was not a good beach wine…and what i mean by that is that it seems to be a wine that deserves more attention than i was able to give it at the time…i did pick on the liquorice and smoothness…but liek i said, at the time is seemed a very sharp taste, hard for me to decipher.
    -kw

  • Tim

    Gary,

    I love the back ground information in this segment.
    It’s nice to understand the history and how the
    present has come out of the past.

    I also really appreciate your broadening of my view of
    the wine world.

    I have to admit that when I first heard of wine TV I
    couldn’t imagine that I would watch it. Now I’m
    tuning in each time you put out a segment and loving
    it.

    Good Job!

    Tim

  • Tim

    Gary,

    I love the back ground information in this segment.
    It’s nice to understand the history and how the
    present has come out of the past.

    I also really appreciate your broadening of my view of
    the wine world.

    I have to admit that when I first heard of wine TV I
    couldn’t imagine that I would watch it. Now I’m
    tuning in each time you put out a segment and loving
    it.

    Good Job!

    Tim

  • Bonnie

    Hi Gary,

    Great job and these videos are extremely enjoyable to watch. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn more about wine. I have e-mailed the link to all of my wine friends. Thank you for doing it.

    Bonnie

  • Bonnie

    Hi Gary,

    Great job and these videos are extremely enjoyable to watch. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn more about wine. I have e-mailed the link to all of my wine friends. Thank you for doing it.

    Bonnie

  • GeneV

    Bordeaux super vintages (like 05?) need a long, long time in the cellar. The great ones need at least 20 years. Gary, you may be able to enjoy a 2005 first or second growth at its peak while you are still at your peak, but those of us who have crossed the half century mark need to carefully consider 2005 futures.

  • GeneV

    Bordeaux super vintages (like 05?) need a long, long time in the cellar. The great ones need at least 20 years. Gary, you may be able to enjoy a 2005 first or second growth at its peak while you are still at your peak, but those of us who have crossed the half century mark need to carefully consider 2005 futures.

  • Mitch

    Gary does a very good job by aptly describing the characteristics, great demeanor and very articulate. However, I don’t agree with the logic of this episode which seems to be “buy these ’03s ’cause their counterparts of ’05 will be astronomically priced”. With Bordeaux, vintage makes all the difference in the world, more so than anywhere else except Burgundy. Chateau Lafite can produce an etherial wine in one vintage, and a mediocre wine the next. These wines should be judged in absolute terms, not on the basis of what a subsequent vintage of the same wine will cost. ’03 was a bizarre vintage for much of the World. I have no doubt that there are many fine ’03 Bordeaux, but I would buy them based on their own potential to return pleasure relative to cost. Many would appeal largely to those with Calif/Aussie palates who ordinarily find Bordeaux a bit thin, acidic, and too structured. Many are bound to be too ripe, alcoholic, and yet surprisingly tannic as many of the ’03 Southern Rhone have proved to be.

  • Mitch

    Gary does a very good job by aptly describing the characteristics, great demeanor and very articulate. However, I don’t agree with the logic of this episode which seems to be “buy these ’03s ’cause their counterparts of ’05 will be astronomically priced”. With Bordeaux, vintage makes all the difference in the world, more so than anywhere else except Burgundy. Chateau Lafite can produce an etherial wine in one vintage, and a mediocre wine the next. These wines should be judged in absolute terms, not on the basis of what a subsequent vintage of the same wine will cost. ’03 was a bizarre vintage for much of the World. I have no doubt that there are many fine ’03 Bordeaux, but I would buy them based on their own potential to return pleasure relative to cost. Many would appeal largely to those with Calif/Aussie palates who ordinarily find Bordeaux a bit thin, acidic, and too structured. Many are bound to be too ripe, alcoholic, and yet surprisingly tannic as many of the ’03 Southern Rhone have proved to be.

  • http://tv.winelibrary.com garyv

    Mitch thank you for the kind words and I hope I didn’t come off by saying all 2003’s, what I meant was those specific 03’s really showed well and were great buys. I agree the 2005 will be legendary and Bordeaux is a very vintage sensitive area. Thank you for the comments, I hope I didn’t make a blanket statement on 2003, heck anything for that matter!

  • http://tv.winelibrary.com/ garyv

    Mitch thank you for the kind words and I hope I didn’t come off by saying all 2003’s, what I meant was those specific 03’s really showed well and were great buys. I agree the 2005 will be legendary and Bordeaux is a very vintage sensitive area. Thank you for the comments, I hope I didn’t make a blanket statement on 2003, heck anything for that matter!

  • Arnaud

    Gary,
    i believe you only forgot mentionning that Clos de Sarpe was a garage wine as well from St Emilion. With only 4Ha, this property which is still owned by the same people for the past 50 years just return in the eyes of the critics these past 7 years with RMP reviewing since 98.

    I have had bottles of the 1955 vintage of Clos de Sarpe (and still have half a case) and this has been a beautiful wine mature and yet powerful and elegant. While 1955 was an incredible powerful and “vin de garde” wine, this proves -if needed- that these very small properties can generate wines that are able to last over 5 decades!
    Arnaud.

  • Arnaud

    Gary,
    i believe you only forgot mentionning that Clos de Sarpe was a garage wine as well from St Emilion. With only 4Ha, this property which is still owned by the same people for the past 50 years just return in the eyes of the critics these past 7 years with RMP reviewing since 98.

    I have had bottles of the 1955 vintage of Clos de Sarpe (and still have half a case) and this has been a beautiful wine mature and yet powerful and elegant. While 1955 was an incredible powerful and “vin de garde” wine, this proves -if needed- that these very small properties can generate wines that are able to last over 5 decades!
    Arnaud.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/chateaumiller Brandon M

    OK…gotta get some Bordeaux….Wine #6 on the random will be the Beyzac.

  • http://www.myspace.com/chateaumiller Brandon M

    OK…gotta get some Bordeaux….Wine #6 on the random will be the Beyzac.

  • Mike F.

    I wish I had some spare capitol. I could use the futures market to build up my own cellar from the profits. I’m sure may enophiles do just that. I won’t be purchasing any first growths any other way.

  • Mike F.

    I wish I had some spare capitol. I could use the futures market to build up my own cellar from the profits. I’m sure may enophiles do just that. I won’t be purchasing any first growths any other way.

  • Arnold

    Wow, great episode. really informative. unfortunately I can’t afford the futures market.

  • Arnold

    Wow, great episode. really informative. unfortunately I can’t afford the futures market.

  • Valentin

    Hi Gary

    Strange, but when I compared your “old” videos with the new ones I have noticed that you gained some extra kilos. I also struggle with my waist line although I am within reasonable limits (like you). Wouldn’t it be interesting to make a show with that focus? Which are the best wine pairings with a low calorie diet? Which wine with steamed broccoli, carrots, celleries, fish, lobster, oysters, bull’s balls…… you get the idea. Best wishes from old the old continent.

  • Valentin

    Hi Gary

    Strange, but when I compared your “old” videos with the new ones I have noticed that you gained some extra kilos. I also struggle with my waist line although I am within reasonable limits (like you). Wouldn’t it be interesting to make a show with that focus? Which are the best wine pairings with a low calorie diet? Which wine with steamed broccoli, carrots, celleries, fish, lobster, oysters, bull’s balls…… you get the idea. Best wishes from old the old continent.

  • David Canada

    Amen….I bough huge in this vintage. Not able to afford first groths but did get cases of Pontet Canet, Barton, Bages and some smaller producers in that 15-20 range. You are so right!

  • David Canada

    Amen….I bough huge in this vintage. Not able to afford first groths but did get cases of Pontet Canet, Barton, Bages and some smaller producers in that 15-20 range. You are so right!

  • vibemore

    If I only I had the extra $ to buy up the 05s. Oh well.

  • vibemore

    If I only I had the extra $ to buy up the 05s. Oh well.

  • WA Ambassador

    Ah, Bordeaux. This is something that I need to get back into again. It’s one that I have been missing for a long time. I have been distracted by so many other wines.

  • WA Ambassador

    Ah, Bordeaux. This is something that I need to get back into again. It’s one that I have been missing for a long time. I have been distracted by so many other wines.

  • The Fanjestic

    Very Interesting to see an 03 tasting – and to see Gary’s predictions coming true now is also very interesting.

  • The Fanjestic

    Very Interesting to see an 03 tasting – and to see Gary’s predictions coming true now is also very interesting.

  • jbrian

    If only we listened.

  • jbrian

    If only we listened.

  • Dan Leavy

    good job on the predictions

    word 23 “Gary”

  • Dan Leavy

    good job on the predictions

    word 23 “Gary”

  • Ray Barnes

    It seems that Gary had his fingers on the proverbial pulse when this episode was made. I will try to seek out some more of the 2003s, especially the second wine of the tasting. If I may add a suggestion, the second wine of Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, Les Carruades de Lafite, is reputed to be a brilliant effort for 2003.

  • Ray Barnes

    It seems that Gary had his fingers on the proverbial pulse when this episode was made. I will try to seek out some more of the 2003s, especially the second wine of the tasting. If I may add a suggestion, the second wine of Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, Les Carruades de Lafite, is reputed to be a brilliant effort for 2003.

  • John__J

    You hit the nail on the head w this episode Gary. Now that some time has gone by since you’ve done this episode, you’ve definitely proved yourself here. Bordeaux prices are definitely forever changed. Can’t wait to see what those 05’s are gonna taste like in 20 years. Those folks who did buy the ’05 futures are really some very lucky people. If I may request an episode, it would be great to see an episode on some really high quality wines there aren’t alot of. But still aren’t terribly well known in America. Vin jaune comes to mind without question.

  • John J.

    You hit the nail on the head w this episode Gary. Now that some time has gone by since you’ve done this episode, you’ve definitely proved yourself here. Bordeaux prices are definitely forever changed. Can’t wait to see what those 05’s are gonna taste like in 20 years. Those folks who did buy the ’05 futures are really some very lucky people. If I may request an episode, it would be great to see an episode on some really high quality wines there aren’t alot of. But still aren’t terribly well known in America. Vin jaune comes to mind without question.

  • corkscrew

    Time will tell, not allot of comments, maybe due to the fact that most can't afford them..the French as it turns our have shot themselves along with many Cali cult wines in the foot, guess they thought they could keep raising prices and people would be able to afford them…. http://www.winelx.com

  • http://twitter.com/cellarguy Jeremy Cox

    This was my first introduction to how the Bordeaux is sold. Solid episode!! I can’t wait until I have an opportunity to dive into the Bordeaux market.

  • Anonymous

    How true you were, and now with the 2009 Bordeaux its even worse, can’t even buy top Bordeaux anymore unless you’re rich.

  • Anonymous

    Top 25 Again!!! An episode about 2005 Bordeaux and there are only 11 comments the year you released the video???

    The 05 changed the prices we saw in Bordeaux but who knew 2009 was going to move prices into insanity!!!

  • Anonymous

    Interesting to see u still have some of the Chat Marojalia! I love how honest u are on this show. your not “selling” the 05 vintage your just sayin HEY!! YOU MIGHT WANNA BUY SOME!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=898480550 Samantha ‘Twyst’ Vraa

    Vintage years seem to be one of the most daunting parts in picking a wine. GREAT SHOW, we LOVE YOU at VT!!!!

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