2003 / 2004 Chateauneuf Du Pape Tasting - Episode #73

August 17, 2006

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2003 Vieux Telegraphe Chateauneuf Du Pape

2004 Patrick Lesec Chateauneuf Du Pape Pierres Dorees

2004 Vieille Julienne Chateauneuf Du Pape

2003 Clos Des Papes Chateauneuf Du Pape

You asked for it and now you’ve got it! Today Gary tastes and reviews four Chateauneuf De Papes. See how Gary reviews these four. More viewer comments and a new question of the day.

108 Responses

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  1. about a month ago

    Kristen

    QOTD: The Vayniac Cab!!!!! I wanna hear about the final blending! :)

  2. about 3 months ago

    thefanjestic

    Qotd: Any wine that you’re going to put on Free Shipping the next day. j/k
    I just had the Mollydooker Sparkling Shiraz and would be very curious to your thoughts!

  3. about 5 months ago

    vivaitalia

    Love the episode man, it’s always so obvious when we’re doing something you’re really into ie: barolo, chateauneuf du pape, rhone. You had the wrong Lesec, the 2003 Patrick Lesec CDP Marquis is stellar, 94 pts the spectator I beleive and I think they got it wrong. Also in the 03’s is the Domaine de Cristia Chateauneuf du pape “renaissance” is even better at $40. And it has great minerality and earth characteristics uncommon in this hot vintage. QOTD: I’m gonna watch every day and love it!

  4. about 8 months ago

    GrapeStuff

    Greap episode GV - I’m really looking forward to the ‘05 CdP to arrive on store shelves. Pretty sure these will be bringing the THUNDER for a lot less than other French regions. Cheers!

  5. about 8 months ago

    WA Ambassador

    Interesting take on tasting wine at room temp. I didn’t realize that you would taste more of the imperfections with it being warm.

  6. about 10 months ago

    David Canada

    Ahhhh the hogan impression….I’m waiting for the Machooooooo Man Randyyyy Savage or Jimy Superfly Snuka.
    QOTD - Not sure you carry this…but I would love to see you taste a 1945 Mouton. Have you ever had this wine?

  7. about 15 months ago

    ThomasS

    Yuw. Nice ep. CdP … , it was hyped in the 80’s over here, so I have alsways been carefull with it. Do no why, but I have never had one that blew me away (I have a ‘crush’ on Rhone varietals though, especially in winter time). Last one was an 03 Chante Cigale, RP 94, and it was awful, really, hollow mid palate, bitter finish, subdued fruit, some cooked leather and burnt wood, sweaty socks, … name it, it was just awful. I hate to open the other bottles, as maybe they’ll conjure up the same disapp. CdP is maybe indeed undervalued, but I dunno, in my experience Vacqueyras (rrrrrrrr, I like those animals ;-)) Lirac, St Joseph, Cornas, Crozes and Hermitage offer more certain value for money.
    QOTD: review the Astorre Pinot Nero together with some other Italian Pinot Noirs. Be sure to have a bottle of Silvio Morando’s Neiró. I had a 1998 in a Pinot tasting last year, it blew away the big Burg’s really, and so, it’s still high on my longlist. I’ll never forget the hedonistic cassis and clove that wacked in your face. This one surely was a bog WOW (pitty it’s not imported here). I want to know your idea on Italian Pinot’s. Are not these just really undervalued?

  8. about 16 months ago

    wallace

    hi gary, great episode. i would love if you could try some 03′ chateau d’ yquem… it’s been getting rave reviews and i would love to see if it is worth the money. my daughter was born that year, and wanted something special i could cellar for awhile. got some 03′ ports already, but would love a nice dry red or preferably a wonderful desert style wine (seems more suitable for a girl).

  9. about 20 months ago

    Chris S

    Gary, I responded to this so there would be 100 responses…..I luv each and every episode. Any thoughts about the Spreadsheet I sent that highlights your top picks from each episode??

  10. about 20 months ago

    Sam Zen

    your best episode to date. Excellent critical comments. I couldn’t agree with you more on these Chtnfdpps

  11. about 20 months ago

    Tony

    I am viewing this episode a bit late as we were on vacation last week. That said I would like to see a tasting of a Pax single vinyard syrah and or a Biale Zin. (Black Chicken)or other.

    Question:
    When ordering wine from the Wine Library does the wine need to rest before trying a bottle or can you pretty safely pop one open that night? We just got our Castello Della Paneretta Chianti Classico Riserva and we are anxious to sample it.

  12. about 20 months ago

    Craig K

    Gary,
    Not just because you like to see it, but because it shows my love supreme for CDPs: GREAT EPISODE!! You were clearly into it this tasting, and telling it like it is, which was much appreciated. To answer the QOD, I have to list two wines: The ‘04 Torbreck Run Rig versus Descendent. I know you are a big fan of both, but my question goes to whether you think it is truly worth it (in this case) to step up another $80-90 to snag the Run Rig. And here is another question for you. I know some episodes ago you justified laying the water carafe to rest for glass rinsing between wines, but how is it you are able to go from tasting one big, rich wine to the next and comment on their characteristics with nothing in between to clear your palate? Also as a suggestion for future Rhone-related tastings, I’d love to see you do a WLTV episode on Hermitage Goliaths (e.g., Chave, Chapoutier, Guigal, Jaboulet). Thanks, CK

  13. about 20 months ago

    ed doklan

    Seems to me you prefer the ‘04 vintage to the ‘03 with this tasting. ‘04 was more classic, more traditional for CDP. Almost not fair to taste wines from two distinctly different vintages.

  14. about 20 months ago

    JimB

    I would like to see an episode on wines from Paso Robles or Edna Valley.

  15. about 20 months ago

    Julius

    Gary - In reference to your view on the future of screwcaps (vs. corks) I thought you would appreciate the following by a noted food and wine personality.

    “…Screwtops do a great job if you’re drinking the wine when it’s young. No question about that.

    But what about a wine with a few years in a bottle? I recently tried a 1999 PlumpJack Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon with a screwcap—I consider seven years to be medium aging for a California Cabernet. I wondered what the effects would be.

    The wine was brick-red rather than vivid purple, a sign that the aging process was nicely underway. I detected two of the classic signs of a nicely developing Cabernet, spice and black currants, scents I’m reasonably certain wouldn’t have been there at the time of bottling. Another plus: It was a lovely drink.

    PlumpJack has been bottling its Reserve Cabernet with both corks and with screwcaps since 1997, as a test of divergence, and the winery claims that no noticeable differences have been detected. (The 2003 reserve is about to be released, if you want to conduct your own experiment.) It’s too soon to tell for sure, but if screwtops continue to be successful, corks are doomed. And a lot of trees are saved.”

  16. about 20 months ago

    Markyb

    Day late and a few dollars short for the V. Julienne, but I’m hooked on WLTV and I love Chat N Du Pape. Great wine, great countryside … fun place to visit (along with the rest of Rhone RV).

    On the french tip, I would love to see you taste the Clicquot Rose champagne - old favorite. Ever been in les caves?

  17. about 20 months ago

    PAL

    THANKS! I’ve been waiting for you to say “sucked” again! It’s been too many episodes . . .

  18. about 20 months ago

    Russ J

    Good Luck, Ray N!

    1993 Roagna Barolo or the 1995 Felsina Chianti. Revisit the good old 20th century.

  19. about 20 months ago

    Chris

    Great show! I love the Hulkster figurine, brother!

  20. about 20 months ago

    Rick McQ

    Gary:

    I just placed my order for the 2004 Vielle Julienne Chat. Du Pape. I’ll email you in 10 years when I break it open.

  21. about 20 months ago

    Chris

    Would love for you to try the Kathryn Kennedy Lateral 2003 as well. Great suggestion. I have been debating on purchasing based on questionable feedback.

  22. about 20 months ago

    Tommy T.

    Hey I asked Gary about a Port wine episode a few days ago. No response yet, but maybe he’s working on it. Glad I’m not alone in my request.

    Tom

  23. about 20 months ago

    Francis E

    Wine to taste: Torbreck Descendent Shiraz 2001

    I would also add my vote for a Port episode.

  24. about 20 months ago

    Rick McQ

    Gary:

    Try the Kathryn Kennedy Latteral 2003. I usually really like this wine. Someone made a comment that this year was not that great. Can you confirm!

  25. about 20 months ago

    John Holmes

    Hey Gary,

    Just got back into the states after spending a little over a week drinking tequila and wine and smoking Cuban Montecristos in Belize, Costa Maya, and the Cayman Islands. Customs was HELL on the way back in, and I almost made the terrible mistake of packing a few fine Priorats and Riojas ( not to mention Tequila ) that I had brought with me in my carry on bags. They would have had to hold me down to confiscate those babies. Sadly, one of my bottles of Clos Mogador and a gorgeous bottle of 1921 Tequila Reposado Riserva were broken in transit, but, thankfully, I may be able to get them replaced at no charge. Anyhow, it was nice to come back to some great episodes. Keep it up.

    As far as which bottle I would like for you to taste. I REALLY want you to try the 2002 Match Butterdragon Hill Cabernet. You told me several times that you would taste it on an episode, but haven’t done so yet.

    Also, it would be nice to see you try some nice champagnes, as well.

    Oh, and even though the little joke episode #69 didn’t bother me, it did spark up an idea. It really would be great if once a week or so, you did a longer episode, maybe 15-20 minutes and a few more wines, maybe even tasting only wines suggested by the viewers throughout the week. I think most of your viewers would love that. Hope you and the WL family are well. Best wishes.

    JH

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