EP 605 A Master Sommelier From Germany Stops By To Talk Wine

Master Sommelier Hendrik Thoma from Germany stops by and chats wine, german wine and shows us his great personality.

Wines tasted in this episode:

1992 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Spatlese RieslingGerman Riesling
2007 Cartagena GewurtztraminerOther Chilean White Wine
2006 Becker Pinot NoirOther German Varieties
2006 Donnhoff Oberhauser Brucke Riesling AusleseGerman Riesling

Links mentioned in today’s episode.

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Jacqui Nichols

I think you two should do more shows together. I had a BLAST watching you two together!!

Tags: Auslese, Chilean, German, Gewurtztraminer, Pinot Noir, Video

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  • Gary & Chris, I like soccer!!!!

  • QOTD: No, I don’t believe it is possible to make a great wine at under $8……maybe good but not great!!!

  • QOTD: No, I don’t believe it is possible to make a great wine at under $8……maybe good but not great!!!

  • Rani Haykal

    Great Show!!!

    Definitely one of the best guests on the show.

    QOTD: Honestly, I really dont think it is possible to make great wine under $8.00. When factoring in the cost of everything it takes to make wine from the fruit source, facilities, man hours, etc., I just dont believe a great wine can be made for such a low cost.

    –RH

  • Rani Haykal

    Great Show!!!

    Definitely one of the best guests on the show.

    QOTD: Honestly, I really dont think it is possible to make great wine under $8.00. When factoring in the cost of everything it takes to make wine from the fruit source, facilities, man hours, etc., I just dont believe a great wine can be made for such a low cost.

    –RH

  • jdappel

    Old world meets new world. Tremendous. Great, great show.

  • jdappel

    Old world meets new world. Tremendous. Great, great show.

  • Great show! One of the most entertaining and insightful guests.

    QOTD: I would agree with most people by saying you could make a good wine for $8 but not a great wine. I feel there are a lot of very important factors that come into play when a truly great wine is made that are extremely hard to duplicate at that price point. That said, taking into consideration the fact that everybody has their own unique palate, I think it would be possible for some one to find a wine they feel is great for $8.

  • Great show! One of the most entertaining and insightful guests.

    QOTD: I would agree with most people by saying you could make a good wine for $8 but not a great wine. I feel there are a lot of very important factors that come into play when a truly great wine is made that are extremely hard to duplicate at that price point. That said, taking into consideration the fact that everybody has their own unique palate, I think it would be possible for some one to find a wine they feel is great for $8.

  • SteveW

    Great show! Hendrik Thoma was a great guest, maybe the best ever.
    QOTD: Good wine maybe, Great wine for $8 is not possible. As for some other comments about Trader Joe’s selling great wines for under $8 I have found this to not be the case. I had many terrible wines from Trader Joe’s, they buy much of their wine from distributors/wineries that are trying to unload wine that they can’t sell, usually for good reason.

  • SteveW

    Great show! Hendrik Thoma was a great guest, maybe the best ever.
    QOTD: Good wine maybe, Great wine for $8 is not possible. As for some other comments about Trader Joe’s selling great wines for under $8 I have found this to not be the case. I had many terrible wines from Trader Joe’s, they buy much of their wine from distributors/wineries that are trying to unload wine that they can’t sell, usually for good reason.

  • I think you found your match. This guy was great.

    QOTD: I don’t know. Grapes are expensive, glass is expensive, labels are expensive. $8 would be hard to do well. It would have to be from somewhere in the world where land was cheap and the climate was good and the owner didn’t want to make any money.

    Jim

  • I think you found your match. This guy was great.

    QOTD: I don’t know. Grapes are expensive, glass is expensive, labels are expensive. $8 would be hard to do well. It would have to be from somewhere in the world where land was cheap and the climate was good and the owner didn’t want to make any money.

    Jim

  • Mike in Wisconsin

    Great Show! Hendrik is AWESOME! Gary, I think you are right in saying that most Americans do not understand German wines. It would have been nice to have Hendrik do a German Wine 101/102 brief wine class. Label reading, Kabinett, Spatlese, Mit Pradikat, etc. Maybe next month when Mott pays the airline ticket, so increase Mott’s Salary!!!!!

  • Mike in Wisconsin

    Great Show! Hendrik is AWESOME! Gary, I think you are right in saying that most Americans do not understand German wines. It would have been nice to have Hendrik do a German Wine 101/102 brief wine class. Label reading, Kabinett, Spatlese, Mit Pradikat, etc. Maybe next month when Mott pays the airline ticket, so increase Mott’s Salary!!!!!

  • William

    This was an amazing episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
    QOTD: I don’t think it would be possible to make a “great” wine under $8. I have had some decent wines at that price point, but never anything that I would consider “great.”

  • William

    This was an amazing episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
    QOTD: I don’t think it would be possible to make a “great” wine under $8. I have had some decent wines at that price point, but never anything that I would consider “great.”

  • George Masiello

    Thoma could start his own show!

  • christopher foley

    Great show guys!
    QOTD: Yeah, Gascon Malbec 7.99. cono sur carmenere was another bottle I enjoyed at 7.99. Not to say these are 95 or 92 point wines, whatever that means, but for the price point they do well to show a good wine can be produced at a lower price point.
    NO NO NO Trader Joe!

  • George Masiello

    Thoma could start his own show!

  • christopher foley

    Great show guys!
    QOTD: Yeah, Gascon Malbec 7.99. cono sur carmenere was another bottle I enjoyed at 7.99. Not to say these are 95 or 92 point wines, whatever that means, but for the price point they do well to show a good wine can be produced at a lower price point.
    NO NO NO Trader Joe!

  • Chris in Tulsa

    GREAT SHOW! Hendrik ist sehr gute!!!! I’ve been to Germany several times on the Mosel and Rhine and loved the scenery, people and wines. Germans I have found are so, so friendly and cool. Hendrik is a typical German you would meet in Germany. Cool and friendly!! Bring him back for more of his expertice and fun.
    QOTD: Not gonna make a very good wine for that amount unless it’s donated by master wine makers and prime vineyard owners. Maybe in Chile or Argentina with low labor cost it could happen. California NEVER!

  • Chris in Tulsa

    GREAT SHOW! Hendrik ist sehr gute!!!! I’ve been to Germany several times on the Mosel and Rhine and loved the scenery, people and wines. Germans I have found are so, so friendly and cool. Hendrik is a typical German you would meet in Germany. Cool and friendly!! Bring him back for more of his expertice and fun.
    QOTD: Not gonna make a very good wine for that amount unless it’s donated by master wine makers and prime vineyard owners. Maybe in Chile or Argentina with low labor cost it could happen. California NEVER!

  • Great episode. Definitely one of my favorite guests. Learned a lot and thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth. You two have got to do another episode soon. Great duo. This is one of those episodes I’ve got to make sure my friends watch.

    QOTD: I think it’s possible to make a good wine under $8. The problem is, it depends on the drinker. I’ve got friends that love cheap wine and can’t stand what I bring home. For me? Under $8 just isn’t there yet. Eventually though, I think producers will get there.

  • Great episode. Definitely one of my favorite guests. Learned a lot and thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth. You two have got to do another episode soon. Great duo. This is one of those episodes I’ve got to make sure my friends watch.

    QOTD: I think it’s possible to make a good wine under $8. The problem is, it depends on the drinker. I’ve got friends that love cheap wine and can’t stand what I bring home. For me? Under $8 just isn’t there yet. Eventually though, I think producers will get there.

  • Stan the Skeptic

    Finally someone to prove Gary wrong about wine. It always seems that Gary just pulls aromas out of the air and makes things up that I find to be a little more theatrical than realistic but the guest, a REAL CERTIFIED wine taster, seemed to disagreed with Gary about some stuff on this show. I find it interesting??.

  • Finally someone to prove Gary wrong about wine. It always seems that Gary just pulls aromas out of the air and makes things up that I find to be a little more theatrical than realistic but the guest, a REAL CERTIFIED wine taster, seemed to disagreed with Gary about some stuff on this show. I find it interesting??.

  • Best. Guest. Ever.

  • Best. Guest. Ever.

  • QOTD: It is possible to make ‘GOOD’ $8.00 USD wine if you take into consideration the varietal or blend of varietals, the vinification and the pressing, totally possible, for sure but maybe outside of the US.

    BTW, I do like soccer.

    Good Show.

  • QOTD: It is possible to make ‘GOOD’ $8.00 USD wine if you take into consideration the varietal or blend of varietals, the vinification and the pressing, totally possible, for sure but maybe outside of the US.

    BTW, I do like soccer.

    Good Show.

  • Greg B.

    Big G, Great Episode. I learn so much when you have guests that bring the Thunder. He would make a great Co-Host, but then again so would so many of your wonderful guest.

    QOTD: I think maybe you could if your were someone who lives in one of the top Wine regions of the world and made the Wine at home and sold it on a corner like a Lemonade Stand. : )

  • Greg B

    Big G, Great Episode. I learn so much when you have guests that bring the Thunder. He would make a great Co-Host, but then again so would so many of your wonderful guest.

    QOTD: I think maybe you could if your were someone who lives in one of the top Wine regions of the world and made the Wine at home and sold it on a corner like a Lemonade Stand. : )

  • MFries

    Gary – THE SINGLE BEST SHOW I HAVE SEEN! I laughed out loud during so many parts of this episode. This CANNOT be the last visit for Hendrik.

    I took the holidays off from watching and you reeled me back in!!

    strong work

    🙂

  • MFries

    Gary – THE SINGLE BEST SHOW I HAVE SEEN! I laughed out loud during so many parts of this episode. This CANNOT be the last visit for Hendrik.

    I took the holidays off from watching and you reeled me back in!!

    strong work

    🙂

  • MFries

    Gary – THE SINGLE BEST SHOW I HAVE SEEN! I laughed out loud during so many parts of this episode. This CANNOT be the last visit for Hendrik.

    I took the holidays off from watching and you reeled me back in!!

    strong work

    🙂

  • Outstandig episode Gary, and a very smart guest hendrik thoma.
    QOTD: at this limited pricepoint, you can be very lucky to find some “OK”-tasting wines, that don’t hurt you. But sure far away from “Great”. I often recommend to drink a good beer instead 😉

    Greetz from Germany
    Micha

  • Outstandig episode Gary, and a very smart guest hendrik thoma.
    QOTD: at this limited pricepoint, you can be very lucky to find some “OK”-tasting wines, that don’t hurt you. But sure far away from “Great”. I often recommend to drink a good beer instead 😉

    Greetz from Germany
    Micha

  • Outstandig episode Gary, and a very smart guest hendrik thoma.
    QOTD: at this limited pricepoint, you can be very lucky to find some “OK”-tasting wines, that don’t hurt you. But sure far away from “Great”. I often recommend to drink a good beer instead 😉

    Greetz from Germany
    Micha

  • mikek

    Mad props to Jon B on the 2008 “throwing” review! Captured one of the reasons WLTV is so damn much fun!

    QOTD- GOOD wine is available,(IMHO) at that price point from Portugal, Chile and Argentina…GREAT wine…not on this Terroir!

    Hendrik was a great guest! Thanks for sharing with the Vaynor Nation! I will give the German Pinot a try!

  • mikek

    Mad props to Jon B on the 2008 “throwing” review! Captured one of the reasons WLTV is so damn much fun!

    QOTD- GOOD wine is available,(IMHO) at that price point from Portugal, Chile and Argentina…GREAT wine…not on this Terroir!

    Hendrik was a great guest! Thanks for sharing with the Vaynor Nation! I will give the German Pinot a try!

  • mikek

    Mad props to Jon B on the 2008 “throwing” review! Captured one of the reasons WLTV is so damn much fun!

    QOTD- GOOD wine is available,(IMHO) at that price point from Portugal, Chile and Argentina…GREAT wine…not on this Terroir!

    Hendrik was a great guest! Thanks for sharing with the Vaynor Nation! I will give the German Pinot a try!

  • my2cents

    Fun fun show. Awesome guest! You could have him join in via the internet once a month, that would be cool.

    It is possible to make good wine for a low price when you have a high volume of fruit. To have that you have to have land and to have land you have money and if you have money you don’t have the time to make wine so you have to hire someone who doesn’t give a rat’s ass and that my friends is why smaller producers and smaller plots/lots from large producers seem to produce better fruit and better wines. Say you had 100 acres of grapes and 80 were pre sold to a big producer with the remaining saved for yourself. Wouldn’t you take better care of the vines that were for you and then also take greater care in the making of the wine compared to a large producer buying fruit from many sources.

    It takes the same time and energy to make crap as it does to make silk. Having to pay the same bills with smaller production means higher per bottle prices. Appreciation for the effort is what we pay to experience. The higher the effort the better the experience.

  • my2cents

    Fun fun show. Awesome guest! You could have him join in via the internet once a month, that would be cool.

    It is possible to make good wine for a low price when you have a high volume of fruit. To have that you have to have land and to have land you have money and if you have money you don’t have the time to make wine so you have to hire someone who doesn’t give a rat’s ass and that my friends is why smaller producers and smaller plots/lots from large producers seem to produce better fruit and better wines. Say you had 100 acres of grapes and 80 were pre sold to a big producer with the remaining saved for yourself. Wouldn’t you take better care of the vines that were for you and then also take greater care in the making of the wine compared to a large producer buying fruit from many sources.

    It takes the same time and energy to make crap as it does to make silk. Having to pay the same bills with smaller production means higher per bottle prices. Appreciation for the effort is what we pay to experience. The higher the effort the better the experience.

  • my2cents

    Fun fun show. Awesome guest! You could have him join in via the internet once a month, that would be cool.

    It is possible to make good wine for a low price when you have a high volume of fruit. To have that you have to have land and to have land you have money and if you have money you don’t have the time to make wine so you have to hire someone who doesn’t give a rat’s ass and that my friends is why smaller producers and smaller plots/lots from large producers seem to produce better fruit and better wines. Say you had 100 acres of grapes and 80 were pre sold to a big producer with the remaining saved for yourself. Wouldn’t you take better care of the vines that were for you and then also take greater care in the making of the wine compared to a large producer buying fruit from many sources.

    It takes the same time and energy to make crap as it does to make silk. Having to pay the same bills with smaller production means higher per bottle prices. Appreciation for the effort is what we pay to experience. The higher the effort the better the experience.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: Great episode. Hendrik looks like my neighbor. Great guy and passionate about the wine as you are, Gary. Liked the Hurling Objects video tag.

    An 8-buck-Chuck can be done, but probably not consistently. Luck would have to enter the picture. The wine would be one-dimensional, no complexities or nuance of flavor. On second thought, my answer is no…

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: Great episode. Hendrik looks like my neighbor. Great guy and passionate about the wine as you are, Gary. Liked the Hurling Objects video tag.

    An 8-buck-Chuck can be done, but probably not consistently. Luck would have to enter the picture. The wine would be one-dimensional, no complexities or nuance of flavor. On second thought, my answer is no…

  • WineWoman

    QOTD: Great episode. Hendrik looks like my neighbor. Great guy and passionate about the wine as you are, Gary. Liked the Hurling Objects video tag.

    An 8-buck-Chuck can be done, but probably not consistently. Luck would have to enter the picture. The wine would be one-dimensional, no complexities or nuance of flavor. On second thought, my answer is no…

  • Scott EJ

    Nothing beats a couple of wine guys sitting around breaking down wines. One of your more really authentic shows. Thank you,

    QOTD: I’m gonna cheat by a buck: Santa Rita Reserve Cabernet Sauv. Taste it, you’ll see.

    S.

  • Scott EJ

    Nothing beats a couple of wine guys sitting around breaking down wines. One of your more really authentic shows. Thank you,

    QOTD: I’m gonna cheat by a buck: Santa Rita Reserve Cabernet Sauv. Taste it, you’ll see.

    S.

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