Doc! Youre such a fighter! LOL
OK..go to bed!

Dear Budge, I am very sorry for your loss. We appreciate you helping this cause.

Glenn your passion is evident. And believe me I understand from whence it flows. Nobody of good will who has lost a loved one to this terrible class of disease (I'm at three immediate family and counting), wants to see patients given utterly false hope and/or be fed demonstrably incorrect information. Particularly if that info is delivered exclusive of western peer reviewed data. Rather, the point I was making is more one of message, tone and mindset.

Would it not be more effective, when confronted with what you perceive to be dangerous advice, to refute the advice using the strength of your intellect and the authority of your education? To my mind, attacking the messenger serves simply to drive those who have a predisposition to distrust western medicine into the hands of the alternative practitioners exclusively. This is important because I believe vast numbers of people have come away from their experience with cancer thinking that their loved ones received an inappropriate level of care. I know that in two of the three family battles against cancer, the oncologists were unwilling to provide straight info at all. In my mothers case, she had 6 abdominal surgeries (the last of which finally killed her when her bowel was accidentally perforated by the surgeon and she went septic). This wouldn't actually have bothered me except we learned after her death that 4 of those 6 surgeries were post metastasis and were considered completely palliative by her Dr. They had given up completely on curative treatment and had never conveyed that to the family. When this happens to people they begin to see western medicine as unresponsive and arrogant.

My main point in this polemic is that Budge is doing something a tiny percentage of folks do. he is making a difference. He may have been hoodwinked by a charlatan, I'll give you that. But for crying out loud has is building a retreat on his vineyard so women can have a garden sanctuary to escape to. He is supporting multiple causes with hard work and incredible ingenuity and passion. Don't attack him. He is simply the unwitting messenger of a message you disagree with. Attack the message. Look, I cringed mightily when he said the compression of mammography causes tumor. Of course that is ridiculous. I just think you reach more open ears if you point out the facts without attacking the forum and the speaker.

Sub-debate topic (1): You opened by saying “Seriously you have done some harm giving a farmer this kind of internet-based platform” I don't think that the word farmer is descriptive here at all. I think you could insert “moron” or “rube” and it would read the same. You may have more knowledge than any other Dr. around, but if that is as diplomatic as you get I can assure you that you are not treating your patients as they deserve to be treated. I bet you just kind of scoff and brush it aside with a dismissive attitude when patients ask you about alternative therapies. If you do I hope you never know what it feels like to be on the other end of that kind of exchange when you are the one searching for anything at all that will just make your loved one stop hurting.

Very good episode, I just order two bootles. Thank you

QOTD: Research. There is a ton of good medical information available on the web and in the library. Find out as much as you can. Then don't assume you know enough to evaluate all that information for yourself. Take it to your doctor and discuss it. Ask questions. Find a second doctor and ask them. If those two disagree, find out why. Ask a third doctor, if necessary. Take an active role, but engage healthcare professionals as active, informed partners in your care. Most importantly of all, do not base your health care decisions on pre-conceived notions you hope are true. Find out the facts.

All of which should give you a pretty good idea of how I felt about the show.

I finally watched this show, it wasn't easy. Though I have my own thoughts on some alternative treatments, it's heartening to see someone with such passion for a cure. I lost my mother to cancer two years ago, I really miss her.

Brown Bags, Brown Bags, Brown Bags!!!

Glenn, Thanks for the invite/advice. I never really gave it a lot of thought because GV doesn't mention it much so I didn't know if there was a lot of activity or not. I do like the community here quite a bit so I wouldn't be surprised if you see me begin to contribute there as well as here:-)

Need a rainy day special G. Bust out some Wednesday thunder please.

Sounds Goooooooooooood taaa meeeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O)

Great to see folks out there really passionate about helping people. Keep up the good work.

Gary! Will you be at the London Wine Trade Fair!? (Please say yes it would be so cool)

I find this really interesting because in the U.K. you would follow what your doctor says because we have a National Health Service (Free health care is the most amazing thing ever) I couldn't imagine going to a trained professional who'd spent 7 years at University learning and saying they were wrong based on what I've spent even a few months reading.

I certainly don't want to criticise your viewpoint or your ideas it's just a different way of doing things I suppose.

I agree with you on the labels, which is meant entirely to support the cause.

Very nice show with someone who is actually sincere. I wish we could order wine in Michigan. My best to Budge.

Hey you didn't comment on the Reserve Petite Sirah. I've never had a reserve and was interested in your response. Guess I'll just have to go buy one to try.

I had to hold back the tears as I was watching this on the subway (on my iphone). I am incredibly touched by how genuine and sincere Budge is and give him huge props for what he has chosen to do. I only wish I could buy the wines here in Canada!

I had to come back and tell you how special this episode was to me. I talked to Barbara today at CCW and she is an absolute jewel. We talked about the cause, the wines, this show and unfortunately, the cumbersome machinations one must go through to order and ship wine. We are both direct-shipping advocates which we all can relate.

My case is coming soon and all my homies will be enjoying these wines out on tghe deck with some nice grilled fare.

Thanks Gary. Amazing show.

Cheers to Budge!

P.S. I would love to meet him. Maybe come back for the party?

Done. I'm in. Lurker no more. Big ups to Budge and the Cleavage Creek fam. Always down for some wine education with a cause. Well done, GV.

Typically a lurker but I have to leave a quick comment for Budge. Incredible, incredible man, what a great idea. Big ups to GV for getting him on the show!

Are we showing our age, castello? 😉

Wow. What an amazing and moving episode of WLTV. I'll definetly be supporting their cause. Thank you Budge and the Budge Family for being such amazing people! And thank you Gary's Intuition!

Long long time lurker drawn out by Mr. Brown.

QotD: Read everything I could get my hands on. Educate specifically, and to the n-th degree.

and since its my first time posting… thanks Gary for everything.

Been watching since episode 1, never left a comment. But I have 3 words that I would like to share. Best. Show. Ever. Good job on this one Gary, you knocked it out of the park with Budge. Off to buy me some Cleavage Creek!

On a side note, I think it would be a great idea for them to include a spot in the checkout page on their website which allows you to include an additional donation on top of your wine purchase. Like maybe list a particular bottle at $18 or whatever, but then allow you to pay more for it if you want – with 100% of the additional money donated to the fund.

Nice guy Homey. You can tell he is missing his wife. A part of him died when she died.

A little like me…….. My Mother had breast cancer and I took her to radiation treatments and she got rid of it but that was 1995. Well 3 years later it came back as many of these breast cancers do and it was bone cancer. That time it killed her in 6 months. I took her for chemo and all that bull and as I watched her suffer I thought, is this what it is coming to? Because her cancer spread throughout her body and it was in the brain, liver, lungs, intestines, bones….etc. I'm thinking, these doctors have to know this right? They have to know that she has no chance. But what do they do? They treat her for the $$$$ and big money because they know they can….And kill her with the treatments faster than if she would have just stayed home.

Your guest BB knows all about that I'm sure.

I'm retired Homey….you know that. And being a business man you know as well as I do it's all about the Benjamin's . But when are we going to regulate these doctors and put a stop to their monopolizing the system and insurance companies and stop killing people with these drugs when they know dam well they don't have a chance the minute they are diagnosed. They are not stupid. It's a shame it's all about the money and how much they can bill the peoples insurance before they die.

I was just denied a 60 day prescription by my doctor till my next office visit just this week. You know why? Because if he called in a script he would make $0. But if I go in for the blood work, the EKG, the so called “office visit charge”….then he would make a few grand. So why call a script in for me for a maintenance drug like Crestor which I'll pretty much be on all my life without seeing me till July just two months away? Money Homey….that's why. MONEY!!!!!!!

When I was a kid the doctors used to make house calls. That's because they cared about the patients. Now……Hahahaha …..well, you and me both know those days are long gone. No Doctors going to come to my house because I'm sick. That's for sure

It's all about the money Homey.

QOTD: Find out if it's treatable. Then go get the treatment you need. But if it's a life threatening cancer just go about your life and travel the world as I would. My good friend Danny Aiello's son Danny Aiello III died two weeks ago at 53 years old from pancreatic cancer. Did you think the doctors knew he was going to make it or do you think they knew exactly when he was going to die? That's the real question of the day!!!!!!!

Wonderful show and Budge is definitely an inspiring man. If he ever ships his wines to Canada, I will buy some.