EP 994 Tasting with Tim and Carrisa Mondavi from Continuum Part 2

The concluding part, including the tasting of the 2006 and 2008 Continuum with Tim and Carissa Mondavi. Gary, Tim, and Carissa speak more about the California wine business, vineyards, and winemaking.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Continuum
2008 Continuum

Links mentioned in todays episode.

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luca bercelli

80/100

Sorry, but this guest was without doubt the most boring person ever to appear on WLTV. A huge figure in the wine world but god, he could bore me to death, and all of the good information that he had was lost in his drab and domineering delivery. His daughter might well have been more entertaining and approachable, but unfortunately daddy didn’t let her say a word. Even GV tried to have his say half way through but pretty much gave up when Tim started droning on again and drowning him out. I didn’t think it would be possible to make such a great product sound so boring – but I was wrong. if he mentioned ‘stirring the lees’ once more I would’ve thrown my laptop out the window. Thank god this guest wasn’t on one of the early episodes because he would surely have put me off from watching and commenting on every single one, thus denying me hours and hours of tip top entertainment.

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  • Anonymous

    Na, Man. The Mondavis world revolves around sales like no others. And it surely would have been a tight situation if you let the mighty hammer fall with a…”At a hundred and forty bones!! I’m giving this one a major Pazzzzzzzzzz!!!” Got to keep the peace now and then I guess.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing show Gary. I’ve read a number of napa and Mondavi history books/biographies and it was great to hear some of the story firsthand. And for once I think your interruptions were valuable and better directed the show. It was clear Tim is the consummate spokesperson and wanted to get his message out, but you were able to control the flow and present an outstanding hour of wine discussion. I am CA born and raised and that is where my wine affinity lies, so this was a great treat. Keep up the good work and congrats on nearing 1k.

    QOTD: especially for CA, I do see my tendencies leaning more toasted Estate wines. The are much more fun and interesting to visit because there is a story, a real story of the land, the vine, the wine, and the people. I think the latter part gets to Carissa’s ? That the people and the team that leads from dirt to glass are an integral part to the wine. The wines I enjoy most are the ones with a story, and the people are paramount to that process. Thank you Gary.

  • Anonymous

    Gary!!
    WOW! I didnt get any emails about the show! I assumed you were just away!! YIKES!
    Mott! Can this be fixed? Ive been dropped! OUCH.

  • Anonymous

    This 2 part seemed much better . I thought Gary did good job with Tim ,there was a bunch of content to cover and he just kept it moving .

    qotd;It needs a second label or in a Tasting Room pack to try it.

  • Anonymous

    Great show! As we soon approach 1000 episodes let me come out of the woodworks and congratulate you and the success of the show. 3 years I have been a lurker and I feel its time for me to jump on the train. I also finally purchased the Gary V monthly packs. I’m hoping it doesn’t disappoint like so many other monthly mailings.

    Anyway, QOTD: “Estate” wines never really carried any weight in my mind before this episode. But looking back the best wines I’ve ever had were estate wines. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more labels from your estate at different price points only if its not a half ass attempt just to add another label. Honestly after watching WLTV about 3 years ago, my wife and I made a commitment to never drink the same wine if possible. It has been such a great learning experience and so much fun in shopping for wines. I have already tasted Continuum and I hope you do come out with another label so I can enjoy your wine again!

  • Anonymous

    Whatever, forget these clowns. The Mondavi’s were a “guest” no need to apologize. However, looking at your reaction to the wine. I am curious to know what verdict you would of gave the wine. I agree with boulcut, when I had it and the price point clearly points to a pazzzz.

  • Anonymous

    One of your more annoying guests and an excellent example of someone that owes his entire “success” in life to priviledge.

  • Anonymous

    Although having Gary slam the $140 wine would have been entertaining, extremely ballsy, and perhaps what he might have done in a private tasting; I don’t think he misrepresented himself. He was professional, polite, and honest. If he slammed it, it might detract other big names from coming on the show. He had to keep a fine balance to the interview. And both Tim and Gary cut each other off near a hundred times – it was a battle to keep this one on track. Gary did well.

    For regular viewers, his lack of scoring or in depth commentary on the wine was a hint that it didn’t rock his socks off. Even with guests, he will come out and say what he thinks when the wine blows him away. Clearly, it’s solid wine, if you are into that style. And if you got an opportunity to taste it, it would be ‘an experience’.

  • Anonymous

    Gary my man, an opinion is like your palate, everyone has one and each one is unique to that individual, that doesn’t make it right. Absolutely, no need to apologize.

  • ALLAN

    How about a Bag-In-Box show Gary?

    Or is that not good enough for ya? 😉

  • R2theK

    So, great job by all. It can be a daunting task to get your message across when everyone already thinks they know what it is.
    Un-asked QOTD: Are you willing to listen and learn a little about the wine biz, winemaking, and the science? Answer, for me, yes, and thank you.
    QOTD: 1) The Estate designation is the last stand for all that is romantic and dramatic about winegrowing. It is a true commitment and tie to the land. 2) Having a permanent vineyard crew is good for the wine and the community, and it does matter to me as a consumer.

  • Anonymous

    I loved the guests but I feel a little bit bad for Carissa since she didn’t get much of a chance to talk. But it is what it is and I enjoyed the conversation about the wine business in general.

    Qotd: I always love learning more about wine. Especially trying a varietal or label I’ve never tried before. It can be hit or miss but the experience and mystery are always fun. As for the estate wines, I do think that it is important. I am a ckc so I can’t always afford them, but I can definitely tell the people that truly care about their wine and people that just want somethings that tastes good and sells well. As for having a team to work the vineyard everyday, I also think that it is important. And not only that, having dedicated people on site who also have that same passion and knowledge about wine. There was one winery tour I went on here in Texas that just got under my skin because the lady giving the tour seemed like she just memorized cue cards about the winery and how the wines should taste. That and she did whole how to taste red wines and white wines bit which involves clucking and doing all kind of crazy nonsense when all you have to do is swirl it all around your mouth. No special trick for certain wines, just don’t be shy about hitting all the spots in your pallete. But I digress, yes a dedicated group in the vineyards and at the winery is important.

  • Controversy in the comments is not really a suprise on this one. Tim was in sales mode, but I think that you have to look past some of that and see the genuine passion he is bringing to this project. The fact that they have the long term thinking to sit as a family and discuss the values they want the winery and brand to represent is important.

    Single estate wines like this have grown in CA, especially at the high end. However, I think that few vineyard sites in Napa have distinguished themselves to the point where the consumer gets something special every year. Winemakers like TRB, Mark Herold and Celia Welch have proven that awesome wines can be made from a blend of sites with no land owned and no fancy winery.

    Continuum is appealing to an audience that chases labels, scores and vineyard prestige at the moment. Longevity is hard to achieve with this kind of audience because they are fighting in a very concentrated market. Ovid launched on the other side of the hill in the same year with Andy Erikson at the helm and they are charging $175. The market for this kind of wine needs to grow, there is a reason why Cloud View and Versant (both fantastic Pritchard Hill Wines) had no problem selling to Tim and his family. It is a tough market.

    Kudos to Gary for bringing this guest on and doing some PR for them. It was a good show and I really felt like I was at the table in the conversation … something you rarely achive this effectively. Nothing fake, no ego issues … this was appropriate for the market it appeals to and addressed some interesting questions about the future of super premium Napa products.

  • Anonymous

    Very good show. PLEASE do not apologize for having respect for your guests.

  • Anonymous

    time mondavi has got a baller head of white, silvery hair

  • Anonymous

    Good show. Very interresting. Loved the history lesson.

    QOTD: “Estate” obviously doesn’t automatically make the wine better, but it makes the story easier to tell and therefore there is a brand value. From a consumer point of view there is a value associated with being able to pinpoint the exact location of the grapes. The price premium for this knowledge is not very high though. For me less than 10$, and if it’s used actively in a marketing sense to distinguish the wine from “non-estate” competitors it would actually set off my alarm clocks and I would be worried that it was being used to command a high premium. In that case I would probably not buy the wine simply on that account and look elswhere for a better QPR.

  • All wine makers need to make money. A 3 year old wine going for $140? Man, that guy could sell sand to the middle east. When it’s just about the money, the magic disappears from the bottle. I haven’t tried his wine yet, and probably won’t, it seems like a suckers bet.

  • Anonymous

    AWESOMENESS.

    The first part was snoozeyville deluxe but the lees education was worth the wait.

    QOTD…. Estate Shmestate, … I would never buy a wine because it all came from some singular plot of land. Is a sports team or band more fun to watch because every athlete or performer came from the same town? NO. You want the best elements possible introduced and blended in a way that makes the best product.
    QOTD 2 … speaks to me a little more. Wine making team counts for so much and establishing a pedigree of style is paramount to serious wine drinkers, i.e. Chris Ringland.
    QOTD 3 … Absolutely, the lack of second wines in American wine culture is annoying. the fact that you can contrast the wines from different barrel qualities, hopefully not just based on vine age, is great for investigating a premium wine to see if you like the team’s style.

  • Anonymous

    Gary has done a 2 buck chuck show, enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    I suppose that not listening to – or not focusing on – your guests is a form of “editing.” But good editing is done in the cutting room and not on camera.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD – Being an Estate bottled wine is very important and useful for me. That’s why I love the way wine labels are done in France. You know the location of the appellation (with AOC wines.) Also when you see Mis En Bouteille Au Chateau – You know it was all bottled and blended on that specific Chateau/Estate. You know the terroir when you see that also. Not as clearly in the US as France, however, that is debatable. But is has to designate the specific AVA in the US. Tim was getting a bit infomercial at the beginning.. All in all a good two part episode. It’s nice to hear specific techniques used in making the wine. I always associate Sur Lie aging Chardonnay and Muscadet. Good info.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t get any e-mails for the last five shows. I also thought you were out of town or something?

  • Anonymous

    Love the show…but have not received any emails for shows the last week? What gives?

  • Anonymous

    Love the show…but have not received any emails the last week…what gives?

  • Anonymous

    Cool show guys. I really do love the very direct, specific style that you have created- a single estate wine with a single team makes things more simple and focussed, and it seems that you have created something great. I will certainly make a point of visiting next time I’m in Napa.

  • Anonymous

    The wines (at least the ’07) are EASILY equal (at the same stage) to the better vintages of Mondavi Reserve from the early 90s – incredible balance & concentration. In ten years or so, when these vintages are entering early maturity, they will be at the top rung of what Napa can do, and will probably compare favorably with the first growths in everything but price.

  • Anonymous

    Tim has worked his ass off his entire life. Hence his passion for his family’s name…they earned it, nobody gave it to them. Did it really seem like he was on auto-pilot to you?

  • Anonymous

    Great idea, crappy vintage. 😉

  • Anonymous

    Come on…the quality (or lack thereof) in the bottle determines whether the wine will prosper & survive. How do you feel about $5,000+ bottles of Burgundy? Or the ’09 Latour (currently selling on the futures market for around $2,000) and the people lining up the world over to purchase them. If you buy vineyard sites like To-Kalon or Continuum’s, you HAVE to sell it high just to break even, especially with such low yields. I’d have thought a “wine geek” would know that. But as you said (presumably as you hoist your $25 bottle)…cheers!!

  • Anonymous

    One more time…the Mondavi’s world DOES revolve around sales, but also around family, and especially, up-holding the family’s reputation for quality. This wine is an INFANT…and besides, Gary (as he says) likes green, lean, and veggie-style wines – any wonder he wouldn’t go nuts over a just-bottled 2008 from Napa? This is NOT a wine to drink in the first 6-8 (and 10-12 will be better) years unless you want to commit infanticide. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it might be wise not to believe everything you see in a movie or read in a book – like you, anyone can say ANYTHING (freedom of speech/artistic freedom, ya know). This is a world-class wine that costs what (apparently) the market will bear, judging by their mailing list, the market is bearing it!

  • Anonymous

    Conflicting views are cool as long as they don’t become conflicts! There are some commenting today that must be sullen & jealous – perhaps because they can’t afford (at this time) this wine they resort to attacks on people…and for what? Because their wine costs $140 a bottle? REALLY? You wanna go down like that? You don’t KNOW the Mondavi’s no matter how many movies you sit through (or books you read). He may be a saint or a sinner, but I’m not gonna judge him ’cause I don’t know. I do know his passion for producing great wine (and Continuum IS a great wine),and for defending his family’s hard work & reputation (Tim has worked hard his entire life could have retired on his millions but instead chose to “start over”…pretty remarkable at this stage of his life. He seemes pretty passionate to me – not spoiled. I guess I need to go back into lurkerville for awhile; these “judges ” are starting to bum me out.
    P.S. comment below belongs on page two…just stick it in anywhere – except after NWIndianaDan! 😉

  • Anonymous

    Continuum ALSO appeals to people who recognize greatness in the bottle; I don’t “chase scores” but do find Parker’s & Tanzer’s descriptions helpful – after all these years I know what they’re saying and whether the wine is “my style.” Going by sign-ups on the mailing list (got my offer in the mail Friday) and the fact that there is only a little over 1,000 + bottles available, I’d say the smart money is that this project will be a success. On a personal note, I’ve tasted the 2007 twice (wonder why they didn’t taste that one), and even as a baby, its already balanced & approachable…if you’ve drunk much Napa Cab the special qualities of this wine are apparent without doubt. But that’s just me.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, meant 1,000 cases.

  • Anonymous

    Good interviewing (and manners) is done on camera and not in the editing room! ;-}

  • I digged Tim, he is trying obviously to sell his wine, but that’s what he should do and I like that. Didn’t need the brochures though..
    QOTD:
    yes and the smaller the better
    I hate second labels, always been extremely disapointed with Bordeaux ones.

  • supertrirunner

    Well said!

  • supertrirunner

    Well said!

  • Just felt like Tim was a little too “wine” for my taste. He has the legacy and knowledge but really turned me off quickly for whatever reason. Of course a 24 year old is not his prime demographic but I really wanted to know what his daughter had to say/felt since she has grown up with it as well and has other outside experience. Just wasn’t for me. I’m sure he’s a really nice guy when he isn’t on camera.

  • Anonymous

    I like the idea of a single-estate bottled wine and a team of people nurturing the vineyard on a daily basis, which of course justifies the cost of the wine and places it in the high-end category. I’m more excited about the newly planted vines, in which this project might enable more people to enjoy great wine at a lower cost.

  • ALLAN

    Moving on…

  • Liked the second part better, I think Tim had gotten things off his mind in part one so part 2 was more about a conversation.
    It is commendable what he is doing at this point in his life as said below, I think part of the reinforcement of how great his site is for the new estate is that he believes through his years of experience that everything is coming together in this wine, all the optimal conditions.

    QOTD, I do like the idea of grapes coming from a single vineyard to have a specific taste that is proper to a place and tells a different story from the neighbour’s wine.
    I also love the idea of a second wine for more entry level prices.
    I think it can get confusing when a vineyard has too many wines and sort of loses its identity through this. Obviously in places like Burgundy it is understandable to have so many wines because of the small pacells spread out but when a winemaker can make one or 2 wines from a single estate I believes it shows his belief in his site and his wineand that he is trying to make great wine instead of trying to make something for every single taste.

  • John__J

    I was cracking up when Tim said “First let me cover some of what I thought you were going to ask”, I think maybe I’ll start doing that too next time I get asked a question and want to say something else.

  • Anonymous

    Very enjoyable episodes. Very interesting concepts advanced, and at my point of development, somewhat over my head. Fun to listen to however.

    QOTD – I think it can be crucial, given the development of a given wine, but not absolutely imperative.

    There are so many variables in the creation of a wine that can impact the final product.

    Being a single vineyard is one of those variables and may be first among equals, but the skill of the winemaker, the overall fruit, etc etc, can be just as important.

  • John__J

    I liked the 2nd part better. With that being said the interview with Tim did not give me any more desire to buy his wines than I already had before I saw this 2 parter.
    qotd: I do prefer estate wines, given the choice with all other things being equal.

  • Oakmon’s BF

    For that price I can get a case of something I can be happy with, or better yet 12 different labels I can be happy with.

  • Anonymous

    Great, Great show! These are the type of shows that keep us tuning in. To hear directly from and Icon from an Iconic family is the ultimate!! kudos GV.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!!!

    I have to say….I got a few 6 packs of this wine to wait to drink it but I guess now I need to get out my screw driver and open one up.

    I was just out in Napa for a week and did not make it to Tim’s tasting room. What a mistake as I got my allocation the day I was leaving.

    I will have to re watch these two when I have more time…..as if I have no time….lol

    I wish I would have gone over and met him but hey, there’s always next trip.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent Family – Great info!

    QOTD: Working for an “Estate” Winery on the Central Coast of CA myself we often struggle to quantify the value of our efforts as seen in the consumer’s eye. When selling the wine it provides great background and unity when speaking about our grapes, our vineyards, etc. Its great to be done in house… but where it hurts us is the broader scope – especially scores. We feel that because we are not sourcing from top vineyard sites or playing the game in that fashion to make wine for scores we are missing out on some of the press.

    For the Mondavi family, I feel their emphasis on Estate packs more of a punch because of the iconic status of Napa and their clout. Overall, I’d say the consumer appreciates the efforts of the “Estate” designation but with a younger more bargain driven consumer it appears lately that the hot appellations, vineyard sites and now varietals are driving volumes opposed to we grow our own grapes…

    Cheers!

  • I think Estate Winery is better for branding. If you can say all the fruit and all of everything comes from this plot, it really speaks about the care, patience, and respect for the land, the product, and the experience.

  • Anonymous

    I have been a viewer since the double digit episodes… I am a lurker extraordinaire! Why? I watch the episodes on a ferry during my commute out here in the Seattle area.

    I can NO LONGER keep my mouth shut about you interrupting legendary guests dureing your interviews.. I was totally horrified every time you asked Tim Mondavi a question, because I knew that during his answer you would cut him off and talk about yourself… This had the potential of being one of the most interesting interviews of the year!! Unfortunately it was butchered by your cringe inducing interrupting.. F*&cking horrifying! When you ask a wine legend a question, PLEASE sit back and allow the person to give his full opinion and answer! PLEASE!!! You are a little runt in the wine world & you need to work on showing more respect toward these legends… PLEASE!!.

    Other than that, thanx for opening up the wine world & widening the palate of all wine enthusiasts worldwide!

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