2004 Vintage Bordeaux, A Timing Thing

2004 Vintage Bordeaux, A Timing Thing – Episode #414

February 22, 2008

We are going with Intense Friday instead of laid back Friday because I think there is a real opportunity to learn and exploit a huge oppertunity and I want to make sure all the Vayniacs out there have a chance to score!

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Wines tasted in this episode:

2004 Chateau Clos De L’oratoireSt Emilion
2004 Chateau Haut BrissonSt Emilion
2004 Clos Les LunellesOther Red Bordeaux
2004 Chat CanonSt Emilion
2004 Chateau Leoville Las CasesSt Julien

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October 20, 2009

richardvinifera
“I went MLK Grammar in Edison and so did my wife”. Mott send me some free stuff!
February 4, 2009

Chris Lotz
top 300 wewhewwww……best gut feeling, moved to nyc right after high school.
January 8, 2009

Dessert Wine Nerd
Too bad Im so far behind in episodes. If I would hacve caught this thing live maybe I would have been able to score some 2004’s at a good price. Maybe I still can? Depends on my wine shop/stores in the area. Im still happy with the 2005’s I own. QOTD: The friends I have. I feel Im a good judge of character and can read a person pretty well.
November 2, 2008

Ray Barnes
I wholeheartedly agree with Gary’s sentiments about how good the Bordeaux 2004s are, and with hindsight knowledge, turned out to be very good value for the money. I have also tasted the Leoville-Las Cases and was impressed with it, but not as much as the staff of WS were. Its bouquet is wonderful; a friend who was tasting it with me stated, “I think my nose is having an orgasm”. I found it was flavourful as well, but so too was the Pontet-Canet, at half the price, which wound up (as I recall) somewhere in the 20s or 30s of the WS 100 list. Personally I would have switched the two wines’ positions on that list. I’ve also tasted Ch. Chasse-Spleen, Lafon Rochet, Potensac, and several minor chateaux, with no dissapointments.

Potential answer to QOTD: I ordered a half case of 2004 Les Forts de Latour en primeur at around $45-50 a bottle, based on the excellent initial comments on the Grand Vin and the estate’s reputation of making superb wines in good but not great vintages. This seems like it will be a wonderful buy. I have not tried it yet. Same goes for the 2004 Chateau Leoville-Barton, which should be a wonderful wine for the relatively modest price.
June 28, 2008

Valentin
Gary I just had the Sansonnet. I agree with you scorewise but not regarding your tasting notes. It is lacking of any fruit but it is dense and even though the alcohol content is 13.5% you cannot feel it. The predominant flavour and bouquet is pine-wood. A good wine but overpriced.
March 15, 2008

Martin
Hey Gary,
Another great episode ! I love Bordeaux and appreciate every time that you are tasting these great wines.
I was very excited seeing you tasting Leoville Las Cases 2004 because I also have 3 bottles of this one waiting in my cellar…a pity I will still have to wait a couple of years before opening it.
March 10, 2008

MtnCharlie
QOTD: I second the comment about having kids. They are 9 and 12 now, but at the time I was really unsure. There is never “the right time”. They are the most rewarding part of my life.

Another thing was buying a house in CA 18 years ago. At the time I thought we were nuts…
March 8, 2008

Surekat
that was brilliant! we got several bordeaux wines (an ‘04 amongst them) and really enjoyed them.

QOTD: deciding to have kids NOW, because there’s no such thing as “the right time”.
March 6, 2008

Cuse Wino
Too many tomato juice references for me.

I am not in a buying stage right now so I am going to have to mooch off friends in a few years and tell them just how smart they were to listen to GV!!!!!
March 6, 2008

Quinn
The selection of “value” Bordeaux isn’t all that exciting in Ontario, Canada, but this episode made me realize I need to crack that $15 price limit (I’m CKC) and try something just a little more expensive from one of the great regions.

Also, I watch on iTunes, and often don’t comment because I can’t be bothered to go over to WLTV, find the correct show, and then leave a comment. I have seen Macbreak video embed links into the Quicktime, I haven’t a clue how difficult this is, but it sure would make me leave more comments.
March 3, 2008

JÃ¸rn Idar
QOTD; My macbook, started using iTunes, found podcastes, and found The Thunder Show!
March 2, 2008

Tom Purvenas
So your trying to make me buy more French wine again as the dollar tanks against the Euro. I get the idea that the value will hold up as the market gets more crowded, and cellaring for later will be greatly appreciated as I look back on my fabulous buys of ’04s way back in 2008.

Wow that sounds really stuffy….LOL
February 28, 2008

Josh in Burgundy
QOTD: My gut feeling purchase was the 2005 Ridge Santa Cruz mountains Chardonnay before it got blown up by Wine Spectator. I cant wait to have a bottle of it.
February 28, 2008

Metal Dave
Hey – great to see some good Bdx!! First post in months. I reently bought a new TV. One of those lcd ones. Totally on a whim. Ididn’t research it a bit and ended up with a sweet tv with a very high spec. Usually I thouroughly research a purchase such as this, but i really landed on my feet!!

For the opposite: I had decided to get ONE case of BDX after Christmas. After a looong deliberation, I got the 2004 Leoville Poyferre. Still stoked about that. Or at least I will be when I open my first bottle in 2022…
February 28, 2008

GR8wine
Hey GV,
Nice show. I hadn’t started specifically seeking out ‘04 Bordeaux’s but now I will. Unfortunate that most of these wines, even the $28 bones, are out of my price range and I lament that having access to world class Bordeaux wines is becoming a class thing and a privilege for the wealthy. As for my best gut purchase; my ‘96 Harley Road King! – it played a large role in my involvement in wine (I’ll explain in person).
February 28, 2008

vibemore
I have no idea on the gut purchase thing…I just wish I had some cash to throw into Bordeaux…which I don’t.
February 27, 2008

pawncop
QOTD – Definitely not a wine purchase but had an opportunity to buy a legendary handgun several years back, a Browning Hi Power in 40 caliber. May not mean to you but this is a gun I have wanted for a long time and got it one day when I went in visit my friend who is a gun dealer. Made me a good price and I bought it on the spot.
February 27, 2008

ChezJosh
Gut feeling – I just bought rockband and I couldn’t be happier with my decision. How lame is that?
February 27, 2008

Cyn
QOTD: saying “yes” to my hubs of 10 years. There were a whole lot of people asking “Why”, but we just followed our hearts (and I followed my gut). I’m not saying it’s been easy as pie, but it’s definitely been one hell of ride!
February 27, 2008

john ripperger
Great question Gary. My biggest gut-feel purchase happened this year at your place when I bought a case of 2005 La Mission Haut Brion futures from you. I won’t say how much I paid but it was expensive relative to what I normally buy. The reason I bought it is because the Pessac Leognan is really oustanding that year (maybe best ever?) and given what first growths are going for from that year, I felt it was undervalued. I guess we’ll see what happens, eh?
February 27, 2008

Ryan
Good: picked up a bottle of Glendronach 1968 when I was visiting my brother in Ohio. Only 20% of what it is being sold for out here in LA

But even better: I met a girl who was on a business trip, I had a feeling I should get her number and two years later I proposed.
February 27, 2008

Sev
Amazing show as always. I have had a few 2004 Bordeaux, and truly enjoyed.

QOTD: Just recently I bought a $45 Gewurztraminer from Alto Adige that I just really believed I needed to try. I haven’t opened it yet, so can’t say if that was a good gut feeling!
February 26, 2008

Mike Z in SD
QOTD: Best gut purchase? I bought a copy of the movie “The Big Lebowski” once when I saw it in the store, even though I didn’t know much about it. Now it’s one of my favorites, and one of those rare films you can watch multiple times without getting sick of it… in fact, it only gets funnier.

Wine-related gut purchase? Probably the 2001’s I bought, which included the Pape Clement.
February 26, 2008

alfredhayes
QOTD: The best gut feeling that I have had was when my wife I and decided to purchase our first house.

I just sat down for an hour and watched your shows…
February 26, 2008

ValerieM
QOTD: Best gut feeling…knowing I was pregnant.