EP 414 2004 Vintage Bordeaux, A Timing Thing

We are going with Intense Friday instead of laid back Friday because I think there is a real opportunity to learn and exploit a huge oppertunity and I want to make sure all the Vayniacs out there have a chance to score!

Wines tasted in this episode:

2004 Chateau Clos De L’oratoireSt Emilion
2004 Chateau Haut BrissonSt Emilion
2004 Clos Les LunellesOther Red Bordeaux
2004 Chat CanonSt Emilion
2004 Chateau Leoville Las CasesSt Julien

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  • http://hungryliketheduck.blogspot.com/ ChezJosh

    Gut feeling – I just bought rockband and I couldn’t be happier with my decision. How lame is that?

  • http://hungryliketheduck.blogspot.com/ ChezJosh

    Gut feeling – I just bought rockband and I couldn’t be happier with my decision. How lame is that?

  • pawncop

    QOTD – Definitely not a wine purchase but had an opportunity to buy a legendary handgun several years back, a Browning Hi Power in 40 caliber. May not mean to you but this is a gun I have wanted for a long time and got it one day when I went in visit my friend who is a gun dealer. Made me a good price and I bought it on the spot.

  • pawncop

    QOTD – Definitely not a wine purchase but had an opportunity to buy a legendary handgun several years back, a Browning Hi Power in 40 caliber. May not mean to you but this is a gun I have wanted for a long time and got it one day when I went in visit my friend who is a gun dealer. Made me a good price and I bought it on the spot.

  • vibemore

    I have no idea on the gut purchase thing…I just wish I had some cash to throw into Bordeaux…which I don’t.

  • vibemore

    I have no idea on the gut purchase thing…I just wish I had some cash to throw into Bordeaux…which I don’t.

  • http://www.wineryatlagrange.com/ GR8wine

    Hey GV,
    Nice show. I hadn’t started specifically seeking out ’04 Bordeaux’s but now I will. Unfortunate that most of these wines, even the $28 bones, are out of my price range and I lament that having access to world class Bordeaux wines is becoming a class thing and a privilege for the wealthy. As for my best gut purchase; my ’96 Harley Road King! – it played a large role in my involvement in wine (I’ll explain in person).

  • http://www.wineryatlagrange.com GR8wine

    Hey GV,
    Nice show. I hadn’t started specifically seeking out ’04 Bordeaux’s but now I will. Unfortunate that most of these wines, even the $28 bones, are out of my price range and I lament that having access to world class Bordeaux wines is becoming a class thing and a privilege for the wealthy. As for my best gut purchase; my ’96 Harley Road King! – it played a large role in my involvement in wine (I’ll explain in person).

  • Metal Dave

    Hey – great to see some good Bdx!! First post in months. I reently bought a new TV. One of those lcd ones. Totally on a whim. Ididn’t research it a bit and ended up with a sweet tv with a very high spec. Usually I thouroughly research a purchase such as this, but i really landed on my feet!!

    For the opposite: I had decided to get ONE case of BDX after Christmas. After a looong deliberation, I got the 2004 Leoville Poyferre. Still stoked about that. Or at least I will be when I open my first bottle in 2022…

  • Metal Dave

    Hey – great to see some good Bdx!! First post in months. I reently bought a new TV. One of those lcd ones. Totally on a whim. Ididn’t research it a bit and ended up with a sweet tv with a very high spec. Usually I thouroughly research a purchase such as this, but i really landed on my feet!!

    For the opposite: I had decided to get ONE case of BDX after Christmas. After a looong deliberation, I got the 2004 Leoville Poyferre. Still stoked about that. Or at least I will be when I open my first bottle in 2022…

  • Josh in Burgundy

    QOTD: My gut feeling purchase was the 2005 Ridge Santa Cruz mountains Chardonnay before it got blown up by Wine Spectator. I cant wait to have a bottle of it.

  • Josh in Burgundy

    QOTD: My gut feeling purchase was the 2005 Ridge Santa Cruz mountains Chardonnay before it got blown up by Wine Spectator. I cant wait to have a bottle of it.

  • Tom Purvenas

    So your trying to make me buy more French wine again as the dollar tanks against the Euro. I get the idea that the value will hold up as the market gets more crowded, and cellaring for later will be greatly appreciated as I look back on my fabulous buys of ’04s way back in 2008.

    Wow that sounds really stuffy….LOL

  • Tom Purvenas

    So your trying to make me buy more French wine again as the dollar tanks against the Euro. I get the idea that the value will hold up as the market gets more crowded, and cellaring for later will be greatly appreciated as I look back on my fabulous buys of ’04s way back in 2008.

    Wow that sounds really stuffy….LOL

  • http://www.jikvig.com/vin Jørn Idar

    QOTD; My macbook, started using iTunes, found podcastes, and found The Thunder Show!

  • http://www.jikvig.com/vin Jørn Idar

    QOTD; My macbook, started using iTunes, found podcastes, and found The Thunder Show!

  • http://www.iqdupont.com/ Quinn

    The selection of “value” Bordeaux isn’t all that exciting in Ontario, Canada, but this episode made me realize I need to crack that $15 price limit (I’m CKC) and try something just a little more expensive from one of the great regions.

    Also, I watch on iTunes, and often don’t comment because I can’t be bothered to go over to WLTV, find the correct show, and then leave a comment. I have seen Macbreak video embed links into the Quicktime, I haven’t a clue how difficult this is, but it sure would make me leave more comments.

  • http://www.iqdupont.com Quinn

    The selection of “value” Bordeaux isn’t all that exciting in Ontario, Canada, but this episode made me realize I need to crack that $15 price limit (I’m CKC) and try something just a little more expensive from one of the great regions.

    Also, I watch on iTunes, and often don’t comment because I can’t be bothered to go over to WLTV, find the correct show, and then leave a comment. I have seen Macbreak video embed links into the Quicktime, I haven’t a clue how difficult this is, but it sure would make me leave more comments.

  • Cuse Wino

    Too many tomato juice references for me.

    I am not in a buying stage right now so I am going to have to mooch off friends in a few years and tell them just how smart they were to listen to GV!!!!!

  • Cuse Wino

    Too many tomato juice references for me.

    I am not in a buying stage right now so I am going to have to mooch off friends in a few years and tell them just how smart they were to listen to GV!!!!!

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skatzenell/ Surekat

    that was brilliant! we got several bordeaux wines (an ’04 amongst them) and really enjoyed them.

    QOTD: deciding to have kids NOW, because there’s no such thing as “the right time”.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skatzenell/ Surekat

    that was brilliant! we got several bordeaux wines (an ’04 amongst them) and really enjoyed them.

    QOTD: deciding to have kids NOW, because there’s no such thing as “the right time”.

  • MtnCharlie

    QOTD: I second the comment about having kids. They are 9 and 12 now, but at the time I was really unsure. There is never “the right time”. They are the most rewarding part of my life.

    Another thing was buying a house in CA 18 years ago. At the time I thought we were nuts…

  • MtnCharlie

    QOTD: I second the comment about having kids. They are 9 and 12 now, but at the time I was really unsure. There is never “the right time”. They are the most rewarding part of my life.

    Another thing was buying a house in CA 18 years ago. At the time I thought we were nuts…

  • Martin

    Hey Gary,
    Another great episode ! I love Bordeaux and appreciate every time that you are tasting these great wines.
    I was very excited seeing you tasting Leoville Las Cases 2004 because I also have 3 bottles of this one waiting in my cellar…a pity I will still have to wait a couple of years before opening it.

  • Martin

    Hey Gary,
    Another great episode ! I love Bordeaux and appreciate every time that you are tasting these great wines.
    I was very excited seeing you tasting Leoville Las Cases 2004 because I also have 3 bottles of this one waiting in my cellar…a pity I will still have to wait a couple of years before opening it.

  • Valentin

    Gary I just had the Sansonnet. I agree with you scorewise but not regarding your tasting notes. It is lacking of any fruit but it is dense and even though the alcohol content is 13.5% you cannot feel it. The predominant flavour and bouquet is pine-wood. A good wine but overpriced.

  • Valentin

    Gary I just had the Sansonnet. I agree with you scorewise but not regarding your tasting notes. It is lacking of any fruit but it is dense and even though the alcohol content is 13.5% you cannot feel it. The predominant flavour and bouquet is pine-wood. A good wine but overpriced.

  • Ray Barnes

    I wholeheartedly agree with Gary’s sentiments about how good the Bordeaux 2004s are, and with hindsight knowledge, turned out to be very good value for the money. I have also tasted the Leoville-Las Cases and was impressed with it, but not as much as the staff of WS were. Its bouquet is wonderful; a friend who was tasting it with me stated, “I think my nose is having an orgasm”. I found it was flavourful as well, but so too was the Pontet-Canet, at half the price, which wound up (as I recall) somewhere in the 20s or 30s of the WS 100 list. Personally I would have switched the two wines’ positions on that list. I’ve also tasted Ch. Chasse-Spleen, Lafon Rochet, Potensac, and several minor chateaux, with no dissapointments.

    Potential answer to QOTD: I ordered a half case of 2004 Les Forts de Latour en primeur at around $45-50 a bottle, based on the excellent initial comments on the Grand Vin and the estate’s reputation of making superb wines in good but not great vintages. This seems like it will be a wonderful buy. I have not tried it yet. Same goes for the 2004 Chateau Leoville-Barton, which should be a wonderful wine for the relatively modest price.

  • Ray Barnes

    I wholeheartedly agree with Gary’s sentiments about how good the Bordeaux 2004s are, and with hindsight knowledge, turned out to be very good value for the money. I have also tasted the Leoville-Las Cases and was impressed with it, but not as much as the staff of WS were. Its bouquet is wonderful; a friend who was tasting it with me stated, “I think my nose is having an orgasm”. I found it was flavourful as well, but so too was the Pontet-Canet, at half the price, which wound up (as I recall) somewhere in the 20s or 30s of the WS 100 list. Personally I would have switched the two wines’ positions on that list. I’ve also tasted Ch. Chasse-Spleen, Lafon Rochet, Potensac, and several minor chateaux, with no dissapointments.

    Potential answer to QOTD: I ordered a half case of 2004 Les Forts de Latour en primeur at around $45-50 a bottle, based on the excellent initial comments on the Grand Vin and the estate’s reputation of making superb wines in good but not great vintages. This seems like it will be a wonderful buy. I have not tried it yet. Same goes for the 2004 Chateau Leoville-Barton, which should be a wonderful wine for the relatively modest price.

  • Dessert Wine Nerd

    Too bad Im so far behind in episodes. If I would hacve caught this thing live maybe I would have been able to score some 2004’s at a good price. Maybe I still can? Depends on my wine shop/stores in the area. Im still happy with the 2005’s I own. QOTD: The friends I have. I feel Im a good judge of character and can read a person pretty well.

  • Dessert Wine Nerd

    Too bad Im so far behind in episodes. If I would hacve caught this thing live maybe I would have been able to score some 2004’s at a good price. Maybe I still can? Depends on my wine shop/stores in the area. Im still happy with the 2005’s I own. QOTD: The friends I have. I feel Im a good judge of character and can read a person pretty well.

  • Chris Lotz

    top 300 wewhewwww……best gut feeling, moved to nyc right after high school.

  • Chris Lotz

    top 300 wewhewwww……best gut feeling, moved to nyc right after high school.

  • richardvinifera

    “I went MLK Grammar in Edison and so did my wife”. Mott send me some free stuff!

  • richardvinifera

    “I went MLK Grammar in Edison and so did my wife”. Mott send me some free stuff!

  • Allan

    Kick-ass awesome show G. This is the Gary i've grown to love. Springsteen once said “I'm on fire”, well, that's what you were on this great great ep. Thnx for the thunder…. ; )

    I'm gonna roll with you prediction….. '04 Bordeaux will turn out to be amazing, giving time.

  • corkscrew

    Have the Haut Brisson in cellar, QOTD-some collectables/art bought at the right time. http://www.winelx.com

  • http://twitter.com/Glerolles Jack Jones

    Think you are exactly right. Now with the 2009 primeur on the market 2004 really stands out qua price points for quality. How do you see 2008 in comparison with 2005 and 2009?

  • John__J

    qotd: most recently a 2005 lucien albrecht cuvee romanus pinot gris.

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  • Anonymous

    Just came across this episode. In fact, I was looking around the web for info on the ’04 vintage because I quite like it, and, as they say, it may be the last affordable vintage out of Bordeaux. Recent gut purchases are all ’04 Bordeaux, and include, case of Ch. Angelus, case of Ch. Pontet-Canet, half case of Ch. Pape Clement, half case of Domaine de Chevalier. I intend on doubling my holdings of the Pape Clement and Chevalier, and plan on picking up a case each of the Ch. Sociando Mallet and Ch. Clerc Milon. Good classic vintage — drinks well with food and as a cocktail. The V man is right folks. Get these if you can.

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