EP 618 A Vielles Vignes (Old Vines) Chinon Tasting

Gary Vaynerchuk tastes 2 Chinons from the same producer from the same vintage head-to-head, one of which carries the Vielles Vignes designation.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Herault ChinonChinon
2006 Herault Vieilles Vignes ChinonChinon

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Luca Bercelli

90/100

line of the day – ‘there are some grandmas who still want to be in highschool’

Really enjoyable episode including a ‘laugh out loud’ moment just before the 8 minute mark when Gary re-enacts his invitation to hard core Cabernet Franc drinkers.

Tags: Chinon, France, red, review, Video, wine, wines

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  • Ray Barnes

    Really fine show apart from the numerous faults in GV’s French diction. Nice to see some great Cabernet Francs.

    QOTD – Cooper Mountain Vineyards Old Vine Pinot Gris.

  • Ray Barnes

    Really fine show apart from the numerous faults in GV’s French diction. Nice to see some great Cabernet Francs.

    QOTD – Cooper Mountain Vineyards Old Vine Pinot Gris.

  • yowens

    neat idea for a show, that was a really interesting comparison. QOTD: Haven’t had many…St. Francis Zin

  • yowens

    neat idea for a show, that was a really interesting comparison. QOTD: Haven’t had many…St. Francis Zin

  • http://viti-culture.blogspot.com/ KMurph

    This was a really good show idea. Another reason price usually goes up for vieilles vignes is because yields fall when the vines grow older, but they usually bear fruit that is more intense. That’s the trade-off winemakers face.

    QOTD: Probably one of the wines from Domaine Boisson I had from the Boston Wine Expo. They are a fabulous producer from Côtes-du-Rhône that ripped my face off. Thunder was brought, my friends.

  • http://viti-culture.blogspot.com KMurph

    This was a really good show idea. Another reason price usually goes up for vieilles vignes is because yields fall when the vines grow older, but they usually bear fruit that is more intense. That’s the trade-off winemakers face.

    QOTD: Probably one of the wines from Domaine Boisson I had from the Boston Wine Expo. They are a fabulous producer from Côtes-du-Rhône that ripped my face off. Thunder was brought, my friends.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: I think the most surprising old vine wine I’ve ever had, for the price ($10-$12 wholesale) is the 2005 Vinas Centurias Sabor Real from Toro. 100 year old vines puts this wine in a whole new league compared to other Toro reds even close to this pricepoint. Dense, extracted, rustic, and balanced.

  • YoungDave

    QOTD: I think the most surprising old vine wine I’ve ever had, for the price ($10-$12 wholesale) is the 2005 Vinas Centurias Sabor Real from Toro. 100 year old vines puts this wine in a whole new league compared to other Toro reds even close to this pricepoint. Dense, extracted, rustic, and balanced.

  • http://jimmytrent.com/ Jimmy T

    Yo yo. Good fun comparison.

  • http://jimmytrent.com Jimmy T

    Yo yo. Good fun comparison.

  • mindpirate

    Great episode. New wines to put on my To Try list, and educational too.

  • mindpirate

    Great episode. New wines to put on my To Try list, and educational too.

  • wannaBconnoisseur

    I need to try more Chinon.

  • wannaBconnoisseur

    I need to try more Chinon.

  • JayZee

    Great episode and an interesting take on “old vines”. I think to be fair, you are going to have to another show like this with two wines from a different area. The “old vines” Chinon was “more like traditional Chinon”, according to your tasting notes. To me, that is “better”.

    However, the answer to why old vines wines are more expensive, sometime MUCH more expensive, is two-fold: 1) the old vines have much lower potential yields than younger vines and 2) the old vines require more work in the vineyard. There was a very timely article in the March 2009 Wine Enthusiast about old vines wines focusing on Australia, but touching upon other areas, that I found very interesting. Check it out.

    QOTD: That’s a tough one. I did just have a Seghesio Old Vines Zin and it was very nice, a little smoother than their other Zins. I’ve had a Renwood Old Vines single vineyard Zin in the past that I liked very much. I have also had some old vines CDP (cannot recall the producers at the moment) that rocked. But none of these was done in a head-to-head comparison like this.

  • JayZee

    Great episode and an interesting take on “old vines”. I think to be fair, you are going to have to another show like this with two wines from a different area. The “old vines” Chinon was “more like traditional Chinon”, according to your tasting notes. To me, that is “better”.

    However, the answer to why old vines wines are more expensive, sometime MUCH more expensive, is two-fold: 1) the old vines have much lower potential yields than younger vines and 2) the old vines require more work in the vineyard. There was a very timely article in the March 2009 Wine Enthusiast about old vines wines focusing on Australia, but touching upon other areas, that I found very interesting. Check it out.

    QOTD: That’s a tough one. I did just have a Seghesio Old Vines Zin and it was very nice, a little smoother than their other Zins. I’ve had a Renwood Old Vines single vineyard Zin in the past that I liked very much. I have also had some old vines CDP (cannot recall the producers at the moment) that rocked. But none of these was done in a head-to-head comparison like this.

  • downtnmark

    QOTD: The best old-vine Zins I’ve had were from Renwood. Their Granpere is wonderfully rich and complex.

  • downtnmark

    QOTD: The best old-vine Zins I’ve had were from Renwood. Their Granpere is wonderfully rich and complex.

  • Kate the Great

    I’d have to say the Bourgueil Vieelles 2006 Cabernet Franc. LOVED IT!

  • Kate the Great

    I’d have to say the Bourgueil Vieelles 2006 Cabernet Franc. LOVED IT!

  • http://www.williamedwards.net/ C-Lo

    QOTD: I have had some old vine wines, but can’t remember any except the Seghesio. I enjoyed it, but thought it a bit pricey…

    Will have to search some out!

  • http://www.williamedwards.net C-Lo

    QOTD: I have had some old vine wines, but can’t remember any except the Seghesio. I enjoyed it, but thought it a bit pricey…

    Will have to search some out!

  • http://bloviatrix.wordpress.com/ Sharon

    Hey, interesting show. Neat idea. It seems the only Vieilles Vines wine I’ve had is a Beaujolais from Jean-Marc Burgaud! And I liked it.

  • http://bloviatrix.wordpress.com Sharon

    Hey, interesting show. Neat idea. It seems the only Vieilles Vines wine I’ve had is a Beaujolais from Jean-Marc Burgaud! And I liked it.

  • http://www.judemurphy.com/ JudeMurphy

    …why am I so bad at remembering the names of wines I drink?? : P

  • http://www.judemurphy.com JudeMurphy

    …why am I so bad at remembering the names of wines I drink?? : P

  • http://wine-4-beginners.com/ Bobbie Smith

    I love Chinon. I had a friend introduce me to these wines in a french comfort food restaurant in Paris. Eating at a table with 20 other people in Paris, loved it and loved the Chinon. Have been drinking them when I can ever since.
    QOTD: Love Pauillacs, especially Baron Pichon de Longueville. Probably because I liked the people at the vineyard as much as the wine to be honest. Don’t know if that answer counts since it doesn’t identify actual vines but I know they have been around for a LOOOOOOOOONG time in comparison to other parts of the world.

  • http://wine-4-beginners.com Bobbie Smith

    I love Chinon. I had a friend introduce me to these wines in a french comfort food restaurant in Paris. Eating at a table with 20 other people in Paris, loved it and loved the Chinon. Have been drinking them when I can ever since.
    QOTD: Love Pauillacs, especially Baron Pichon de Longueville. Probably because I liked the people at the vineyard as much as the wine to be honest. Don’t know if that answer counts since it doesn’t identify actual vines but I know they have been around for a LOOOOOOOOONG time in comparison to other parts of the world.

  • PeterB

    I like the t-shirt! Are they available in or can the be shipped to Europe?

  • PeterB

    I like the t-shirt! Are they available in or can the be shipped to Europe?

  • richardvinifera

    QOTD: De Martino 2006 Malbec (Single Vineyard Maule Valley-Limavida) 80 year old untrained, non-irrigated bush vines, depth and balance.

  • richardvinifera

    QOTD: De Martino 2006 Malbec (Single Vineyard Maule Valley-Limavida) 80 year old untrained, non-irrigated bush vines, depth and balance.

  • redrider21

    Best old vine: Sonoma Russian River Gamba Zin baby….But my hearts in the Rhone for sure.

  • ben from boston

    first ep. i ever saw, it was on hulu. gary and chinon, classic pairing.

  • John__J

    Qotd: for me I’m sure it was a Burgundy

  • Anonymous

    Have not tried these wines..QOTD-St Francis.. http://www.winelx.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=630276710 Luca Bercelli

    90/100

    line of the day – ‘there are some grandmas who still want to be in highschool’

    Really enjoyable episode including a ‘laugh out loud’ moment just before the 8 minute mark when Gary re-enacts his invitation to hard core Cabernet Franc drinkers.

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