EP 70 German wines and the Rieslings that make them.

August 14, 2006

Today Gary talks about the QMP,QBA and many other things that have to do with German wines. Watch as Gary goes through the wines and gives you his thoughts.

Latest Comment:

2011-02-25 23:06:00

Great show i truly LOVED it! I think Germany is massively unappreciated

QOTD I tend to like what Stephen Tanzer has to Say and disagree with Parker the most. But that’s just my palate, who knows it might change next year!!!

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Adam

I would have to say my favorite critic is James Suckling. I don’t think he inflates his scores as most of the others do. Also, he just comes across as an honest and “regular” guy.
My least favorite has to be Robert Parker; only due to the fact he has priced me out of tons of wines I used to buy at reasonable prices. Now, anything he rates over 90 points for more than a year automatically goes up in price by at least 50%-75%, sometimes the price actually doubles in less than a year.
Keep up the good work Gary!
Adam

I would have to say my favorite critic is James Suckling. I don’t think he inflates his scores as most of the others do. Also, he just comes across as an honest and “regular” guy.
My least favorite has to be Robert Parker; only due to the fact he has priced me out of tons of wines I used to buy at reasonable prices. Now, anything he rates over 90 points for more than a year automatically goes up in price by at least 50%-75%, sometimes the price actually doubles in less than a year.
Keep up the good work Gary!
Susan

Gary-
Another fabulous episode!
Thanks again for all of the education. I have never tried German wines, but I will soon!
My favorite wine reviewer is you!
My least favorite is anyone at Wine Spectator. Wine Spectator is TOO SERIOUS!
Please keep up all of the fantastic work on the podcasts and everything you do for Wine Library!:)
Susan

Gary-
Another fabulous episode!
Thanks again for all of the education. I have never tried German wines, but I will soon!
My favorite wine reviewer is you!
My least favorite is anyone at Wine Spectator. Wine Spectator is TOO SERIOUS!
Please keep up all of the fantastic work on the podcasts and everything you do for Wine Library!:)
Stew

Hey Gary. Very informative segment. Got a question. You said to post all questions here and not e-mail you with them anymore since you will not respond. However it seems that you have not been responding to the questions posted here either (at least not for the past 2 episodes). What’s up?
Stew

Hey Gary. Very informative segment. Got a question. You said to post all questions here and not e-mail you with them anymore since you will not respond. However it seems that you have not been responding to the questions posted here either (at least not for the past 2 episodes). What’s up?
Diego de la PeÃ±a

dont worry gary, you looked somewhat depressed today 🙁
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Diego de la PeÃ±a

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Cesar

That was a serious episode, I ‘ll have to watch that a couple of times to digest that info. You taught me something new. I conciderd Reisling to be desert wines and all of them sweet and expensive, at least the good ones and they were from what I’ve experienced. I’ll have to try some of the reasonably priced dryer Reislings.

I enjoy reading about wines, I like WS, Laube, and Suckling, and Robinson and I’m psyched to find new writers , I hadn’t heard of Zraly. But I don’t buy on ratings as you suggest. I go to saturday afternoon tastings at different wine shops, taste and buy if I like. Or I buy on someones’ recommendation I respect.
JohnM

Juck’em if they can’t take a foke. I was looking forward to the topic when you announced it 69, but the progress bar moved so quickly, I knew something was up. Still look forward tot he aging episode. Today’s was a great episode – learned a lot and will look to try a German Riesling, although all my experiences so far have been mediocre. I trust your ratings most, because you give the commentary that allows me to listen for what I enjoy. Least, Parker on general principles – I don’t think the 100 point scale has been beneficial, merely artificial.
Cesar

That was a serious episode, I ‘ll have to watch that a couple of times to digest that info. You taught me something new. I conciderd Reisling to be desert wines and all of them sweet and expensive, at least the good ones and they were from what I’ve experienced. I’ll have to try some of the reasonably priced dryer Reislings.

I enjoy reading about wines, I like WS, Laube, and Suckling, and Robinson and I’m psyched to find new writers , I hadn’t heard of Zraly. But I don’t buy on ratings as you suggest. I go to saturday afternoon tastings at different wine shops, taste and buy if I like. Or I buy on someones’ recommendation I respect.
JohnM

Juck’em if they can’t take a foke. I was looking forward to the topic when you announced it 69, but the progress bar moved so quickly, I knew something was up. Still look forward tot he aging episode. Today’s was a great episode – learned a lot and will look to try a German Riesling, although all my experiences so far have been mediocre. I trust your ratings most, because you give the commentary that allows me to listen for what I enjoy. Least, Parker on general principles – I don’t think the 100 point scale has been beneficial, merely artificial.
garyv

Stew- I will I will answer 4 to 5 questions per episode, I just skipped it today, will be back answering tomorrow!
garyv

Stew- I will I will answer 4 to 5 questions per episode, I just skipped it today, will be back answering tomorrow!
cgf

Dear Gary Somberchuk,
Great episode! I hope your solemnity was a result of being tired and still feeling the effects from the weekend, and not because some people can’t take a joke from a service that is free and highly valuable.
I love rieslings. I got introduced to this grape going to school in the finger lakes, and have recently been exploring german and alsatian ones.
Question: Do the ripeness levels of the german classification system correspond to the residual sugar levels in the wines? Does it follow logically that if they pick later when the grapes are riper, that the sugar levels are higher, and therefore the residual sugars are higher as you go from kabinett to tBa?
Favorite reviewer: I like reading all of them. While the numbers can be misleading, reading the tasting note really helps me figure out the style of the wine i am buying. That is why it is so fun watching you drink and describe a wine firsthand, because i feel like i know exactly what im buying.
ALSO, the fact that your store includes the tasting note of that bottle under the wine instead of most stores that just say RP90 or WS92, is great.
Keep up the great work! and have some more fun tomorrow!
cgf

Dear Gary Somberchuk,
Great episode! I hope your solemnity was a result of being tired and still feeling the effects from the weekend, and not because some people can’t take a joke from a service that is free and highly valuable.
I love rieslings. I got introduced to this grape going to school in the finger lakes, and have recently been exploring german and alsatian ones.
Question: Do the ripeness levels of the german classification system correspond to the residual sugar levels in the wines? Does it follow logically that if they pick later when the grapes are riper, that the sugar levels are higher, and therefore the residual sugars are higher as you go from kabinett to tBa?
Favorite reviewer: I like reading all of them. While the numbers can be misleading, reading the tasting note really helps me figure out the style of the wine i am buying. That is why it is so fun watching you drink and describe a wine firsthand, because i feel like i know exactly what im buying.
ALSO, the fact that your store includes the tasting note of that bottle under the wine instead of most stores that just say RP90 or WS92, is great.
Keep up the great work! and have some more fun tomorrow!
Bill Nelson

Gary,

Thank you for the educational episode today although the best advise was not to take wine or life too seriously! I thought it was great the way everyone turned the comments after episode 69 into a wine chat room. Mary should be pleased! You have become my favorite reviewer; my least favorite would be Wilfred Wong; he seems not yet to have found a wine he doesn’t like. Thanks again for the great episode today!
Bill Nelson

Gary,

Thank you for the educational episode today although the best advise was not to take wine or life too seriously! I thought it was great the way everyone turned the comments after episode 69 into a wine chat room. Mary should be pleased! You have become my favorite reviewer; my least favorite would be Wilfred Wong; he seems not yet to have found a wine he doesn’t like. Thanks again for the great episode today!
WLTV Fan

least favorite reviewer, by FAR james suckling. his last name says it all. Does he even like old world wines? it seems he avoids tasting so many kinds of Italian wines outside of the “big b’s” and super-tuscans. I really feel like he causes his readers to miss out on a lot of wines that would give a “true” taste of Italian wine making.
WLTV Fan

least favorite reviewer, by FAR james suckling. his last name says it all. Does he even like old world wines? it seems he avoids tasting so many kinds of Italian wines outside of the “big b’s” and super-tuscans. I really feel like he causes his readers to miss out on a lot of wines that would give a “true” taste of Italian wine making.
Wino4Life

Nobody mentioned TANZER….he is v solid….he never over-rates & there is something to be said for that…….so many times WS gives 95-98 pts & Gambero Rosso will give only Due Bicchiere……..it is all subjective as we all know….
Wino4Life

Nobody mentioned TANZER….he is v solid….he never over-rates & there is something to be said for that…….so many times WS gives 95-98 pts & Gambero Rosso will give only Due Bicchiere……..it is all subjective as we all know….
Russ J

Put me in the GV bandwagon. Your comments have been insightful enough that I think I have been able to discern the wines that I would and would not like from WLTV. Some of the ones you have raved about I have passed on because you made it very clear what it was you liked and it was not something I have enjoyed in the past. The ones I bought (and drank) have worked out quite well. I also find James Suckling from WS pretty good and I saw him interviewed on TV (I think on the Today show during the winter olympics) and he seemed like a cool guy. I also love my “Oz Clarke’s Pocket Wine Guide”. He is definitely “old school” but has not led me wrong yet. The only reviewer who I remember being burned by was Parker with some of his cheapo Spanish picks. I recall other viewers with similar comments from an episode a few months ago.

I’m glad you did Episode 69 like that. It weeded out some of the crybabies in the crowd. Now you have to do an episode on aging and answer all of my previous questions or….WAAH, WAAH, WAAH! (Please?)

Two more: Was that autograph legit? Is Curtis Martin finished?
Russ J

Put me in the GV bandwagon. Your comments have been insightful enough that I think I have been able to discern the wines that I would and would not like from WLTV. Some of the ones you have raved about I have passed on because you made it very clear what it was you liked and it was not something I have enjoyed in the past. The ones I bought (and drank) have worked out quite well. I also find James Suckling from WS pretty good and I saw him interviewed on TV (I think on the Today show during the winter olympics) and he seemed like a cool guy. I also love my “Oz Clarke’s Pocket Wine Guide”. He is definitely “old school” but has not led me wrong yet. The only reviewer who I remember being burned by was Parker with some of his cheapo Spanish picks. I recall other viewers with similar comments from an episode a few months ago.

I’m glad you did Episode 69 like that. It weeded out some of the crybabies in the crowd. Now you have to do an episode on aging and answer all of my previous questions or….WAAH, WAAH, WAAH! (Please?)

Two more: Was that autograph legit? Is Curtis Martin finished?
garyv

Autograph was VERYYYYYYY Legit and the answer to if he is done is….YES 🙁
garyv

Autograph was VERYYYYYYY Legit and the answer to if he is done is….YES 🙁
Scott Stutz

Gary, Don’t take the #69 reviews to heart. You are blazing new trails here. Go with your instinct. We are all learning much from you. The average wine guy like me can get behind your approach. Let’s have fun and learn. You are my favorite wine reviewer. Your taste are right on for me. Ok, How about reviewing Pierano Estates. This little winery is excellent. How about the 04 Cab and the “Other White”. Both serious value to price.
Scott Stutz

Gary, Don’t take the #69 reviews to heart. You are blazing new trails here. Go with your instinct. We are all learning much from you. The average wine guy like me can get behind your approach. Let’s have fun and learn. You are my favorite wine reviewer. Your taste are right on for me. Ok, How about reviewing Pierano Estates. This little winery is excellent. How about the 04 Cab and the “Other White”. Both serious value to price.
GeneV

The Haart was mildly corked. Your cardboard description is nothing like the ones I have had, some of which I bought from WL, and everything like cork. If you didn’t get orange from an ’03 Haart Piesporter, something was wrong.

My favorite reviewer is me. However, if I can’t find a review of my own, Joe’s ranking is pretty close.

Parker for Bordeaux or Rhone
Meadows for Burgs
Sanderson for German Riesling
Vaynerchuk for new world merlot and chard
Miles Raymond on central coast pinot
Tanzer for most everything else

To avoid:
Parker on cheap Spanish wine
Laube on Calif wine south of Napa
Parker on Aussie Shiraz (94 point cough syrup)
GeneV

The Haart was mildly corked. Your cardboard description is nothing like the ones I have had, some of which I bought from WL, and everything like cork. If you didn’t get orange from an ’03 Haart Piesporter, something was wrong.

My favorite reviewer is me. However, if I can’t find a review of my own, Joe’s ranking is pretty close.

Parker for Bordeaux or Rhone
Meadows for Burgs
Sanderson for German Riesling
Vaynerchuk for new world merlot and chard
Miles Raymond on central coast pinot
Tanzer for most everything else

To avoid:
Parker on cheap Spanish wine
Laube on Calif wine south of Napa
Parker on Aussie Shiraz (94 point cough syrup)
asr2021

Hi Gary et al.,
Yeah, I gotta admit I was disappointed w/ #69. The whole time I was hoping that you’d get to at least one wine; I literally said “Oh Man!”, but I knew it was a joke. It just left me wanting more. I couldn’t wait for #70. Please, STAY FREE with regard to style and WLTV. 🙂

Hey Steve,
Gary addressed Mary’s issues big time. Along with mine.

Let me be the first to say: (ahem)

“GREAT EPISODE GARY!”

I don’t yet have a favorite reviewer. I am skeptical of the points system at times. I really value tasting notes; that’s all I really look for. I am trying to develop my palate and haven’t really found whose matches mine. I absolutely hate when salespeople simply say, “yeah, its a good wine; it got 91 pts.” It takes away from the experiential heart of wine; you can’t judge it without having tried it. Keep doing what you’re doing Gary; myself and others need it.
asr2021

Hi Gary et al.,
Yeah, I gotta admit I was disappointed w/ #69. The whole time I was hoping that you’d get to at least one wine; I literally said “Oh Man!”, but I knew it was a joke. It just left me wanting more. I couldn’t wait for #70. Please, STAY FREE with regard to style and WLTV. 🙂

Hey Steve,
Gary addressed Mary’s issues big time. Along with mine.

Let me be the first to say: (ahem)

“GREAT EPISODE GARY!”

I don’t yet have a favorite reviewer. I am skeptical of the points system at times. I really value tasting notes; that’s all I really look for. I am trying to develop my palate and haven’t really found whose matches mine. I absolutely hate when salespeople simply say, “yeah, its a good wine; it got 91 pts.” It takes away from the experiential heart of wine; you can’t judge it without having tried it. Keep doing what you’re doing Gary; myself and others need it.
asr2021

O, i didn’t notice Bill et al. had said it, but great episode anyways. 🙂
asr2021

O, i didn’t notice Bill et al. had said it, but great episode anyways. 🙂
Roofie

Well, I would have to say that you Gary, and the two “boring” English guys (according to Tony 😉 ) are both my favourite wine reviewers, and my least favourite are all those boring “serious experts” that canned your Episode 69.

Great approach to have a bit of fun with wine Gary (although you might need a better scriptwriter on your jokes).

German Wines – an interesting topic – the best review I ever saw was at http://www.virtualwine.co.uk/virtualwineblog/?p=137
Roofie

Well, I would have to say that you Gary, and the two “boring” English guys (according to Tony 😉 ) are both my favourite wine reviewers, and my least favourite are all those boring “serious experts” that canned your Episode 69.

Great approach to have a bit of fun with wine Gary (although you might need a better scriptwriter on your jokes).

German Wines – an interesting topic – the best review I ever saw was at http://www.virtualwine.co.uk/virtualwineblog/?p=137
davidb

Thanks for turning a light on Germany. Serious, but a little too simplistic, as it will probably not convert those who still think all German wines are sweet and fruity. I look forward to more exploration of Germany, Austria, Alsace, and Loire.

Favorite reviewers: Peter Liem (W&S), Antonio Galloni (Piedmont Report). and Robin Garr (wineloverspage.com)

Least favorite: Parker, the whole WS team (except for Matt Kramer).
davidb

Thanks for turning a light on Germany. Serious, but a little too simplistic, as it will probably not convert those who still think all German wines are sweet and fruity. I look forward to more exploration of Germany, Austria, Alsace, and Loire.

Favorite reviewers: Peter Liem (W&S), Antonio Galloni (Piedmont Report). and Robin Garr (wineloverspage.com)

Least favorite: Parker, the whole WS team (except for Matt Kramer).
Baja

I donâ??t know that I have an absolute favorite reviewer. The two that I seem to go to the most are WS and Parker. I do find you the most entertaining. However to be honest and fair, I have not tried many of your recommendation. Italian wine are a favorite of mine and I think that James Suckling at WS covers them best (even though his attitude is as pompous as it getâ??s). A previous poster mentioned how it is dangerous to get caught up to much into the rating thing as it can alter your wine choice. I have to agree with this. To often I have found myself chasing ratings. This past weekend I went to a very large Pinot tasting where there were close to 100 wines. The choices I made fell mostly into the 86-90 range according to WS and Parker. However these were the wines my wife and I liked the best. We tasted many higher rated wines but they just did not do it for us. I found this a valuable lesson. Gary, I asked a question on shipping in heat last week, would love your answer….thanks!
Baja

I donâ??t know that I have an absolute favorite reviewer. The two that I seem to go to the most are WS and Parker. I do find you the most entertaining. However to be honest and fair, I have not tried many of your recommendation. Italian wine are a favorite of mine and I think that James Suckling at WS covers them best (even though his attitude is as pompous as it getâ??s). A previous poster mentioned how it is dangerous to get caught up to much into the rating thing as it can alter your wine choice. I have to agree with this. To often I have found myself chasing ratings. This past weekend I went to a very large Pinot tasting where there were close to 100 wines. The choices I made fell mostly into the 86-90 range according to WS and Parker. However these were the wines my wife and I liked the best. We tasted many higher rated wines but they just did not do it for us. I found this a valuable lesson. Gary, I asked a question on shipping in heat last week, would love your answer….thanks!
thep

Glad you had a great time at the wedding. I thought infamous episode 69 was what it was: a chuckle. I’m surprised that the merchants and makers (OF WINE) don’t recognize a little fun. Too bad.

Your German pronunciation sucks. GV is my favorite wine reviewer because he’s the only one I read/see. WLTF is convenient, entertaining, and fun. Keep telling me what you taste and I’ll be happy to agree or disagree as my pallae dictates. De gustibus non disputandem est.
thep

Glad you had a great time at the wedding. I thought infamous episode 69 was what it was: a chuckle. I’m surprised that the merchants and makers (OF WINE) don’t recognize a little fun. Too bad.

Your German pronunciation sucks. GV is my favorite wine reviewer because he’s the only one I read/see. WLTF is convenient, entertaining, and fun. Keep telling me what you taste and I’ll be happy to agree or disagree as my pallae dictates. De gustibus non disputandem est.
MaryS

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the Riesling lesson. I’m going to start sampling some different ones. BUT, I will still keep drinking the Beringer white zin. I like it and the price is right. Do you like any of the other white zin’s? I don’t care for Sutter Home but I haven’t tried many others. Also, will you ever have the free shipping within NJ offer again? That’s when I usually buy multiple cases. I’m only about 25 minutes away but driving routes 78 and 24 are a hassle. Thanks for any info!
MaryS

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the Riesling lesson. I’m going to start sampling some different ones. BUT, I will still keep drinking the Beringer white zin. I like it and the price is right. Do you like any of the other white zin’s? I don’t care for Sutter Home but I haven’t tried many others. Also, will you ever have the free shipping within NJ offer again? That’s when I usually buy multiple cases. I’m only about 25 minutes away but driving routes 78 and 24 are a hassle. Thanks for any info!
Craig K

Gary,
Great episode – informative and interesting. It reminded me in a positive way of the reason I watch in the first place. It is apparent you took some hits over the weekend, and I suspect the content was worse in the emails than in the blog. Hang in there. When you can, I look forward to the return of the Gary who deftly mixes lightheartedness and irreverence with wines that may or may not be serious. Most trusted reviewer is Parker, mostly because of his descriptions (not ratings) for wines from Rhone. I agree with other comments here that his reviews of the Aussie wines are overblown and he has taken much heat (pun intended) because of it. Having followed his predictions for twenty years, he tends to overestimate the longevity of some wines as well, especially CA Cabs. Least trusted is Laube because more often than not I just don’t agree. Gary you rank way up there, and gain trust with the more wines you review and dare to tell the truth about. Hats off to you, CK
Craig K

Gary,
Great episode – informative and interesting. It reminded me in a positive way of the reason I watch in the first place. It is apparent you took some hits over the weekend, and I suspect the content was worse in the emails than in the blog. Hang in there. When you can, I look forward to the return of the Gary who deftly mixes lightheartedness and irreverence with wines that may or may not be serious. Most trusted reviewer is Parker, mostly because of his descriptions (not ratings) for wines from Rhone. I agree with other comments here that his reviews of the Aussie wines are overblown and he has taken much heat (pun intended) because of it. Having followed his predictions for twenty years, he tends to overestimate the longevity of some wines as well, especially CA Cabs. Least trusted is Laube because more often than not I just don’t agree. Gary you rank way up there, and gain trust with the more wines you review and dare to tell the truth about. Hats off to you, CK
Bill Ipp

GARY – don’t apoligize … it’s YOUR show

FAVORITE – Parker … I tend to like the same style of cabs that he does

LEAST FAVORITE – Laube … at times, he is all over the place
Bill Ipp

GARY – don’t apoligize … it’s YOUR show

FAVORITE – Parker … I tend to like the same style of cabs that he does

LEAST FAVORITE – Laube … at times, he is all over the place
stewart l.

I don’t have a favorite reviewer. I have noticed that some wines that you think are ok, you will give a high 80 rating which is supposed to be for “very good” wines, instead of what sounds like a 80 rating. As evidenced by Parker, everyones taste is different,so the true rating is your own palate. Ratings can provide some guidance.
stewart l.

I don’t have a favorite reviewer. I have noticed that some wines that you think are ok, you will give a high 80 rating which is supposed to be for “very good” wines, instead of what sounds like a 80 rating. As evidenced by Parker, everyones taste is different,so the true rating is your own palate. Ratings can provide some guidance.