EP 111 Wine Glasses, How Do They Affect Wine?

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Today Gary tackles a very important topic that many people discuss and debate at a fever pitch in the wine industry. Gary grabs two great wines and attacks this subjuct head first, please join in the discussion and let us know what you think. Also this is tell your friends thursday. Pass the WLTV word around!

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John Mielke

Is he F’n drunk at at the end?? Humbled at the difference, but the glasses absolutely make no difference in the wine???

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  • Hey, a big shout out to tampasteve for his intro! Where are you tampasteve???

  • stewart l

    So, are you kidding with us. I believe there are subtle differences in the smell of the wine with different glasses

  • stewart l

    So, are you kidding with us. I believe there are subtle differences in the smell of the wine with different glasses

  • MarcT

    Nice episode Gary…99 points.
    Dig the French Cuffs too!

    Come on guys…by now we should all know what that “absolutely not” followed by that VaynerSMIRK meant!

    Yes I have experienced what you did today Gary.

    Off to a Poker game…I’ll be back later.

    Gary, is the Sawyer Rutherford Cab #9729 the cab from Sawyer Cellars? Without the pic I don’t want to make a mistake. Thanks.

  • MarcT

    Nice episode Gary…99 points.
    Dig the French Cuffs too!

    Come on guys…by now we should all know what that “absolutely not” followed by that VaynerSMIRK meant!

    Yes I have experienced what you did today Gary.

    Off to a Poker game…I’ll be back later.

    Gary, is the Sawyer Rutherford Cab #9729 the cab from Sawyer Cellars? Without the pic I don’t want to make a mistake. Thanks.

  • StanVH

    Great. Great show. Indeed, your last two have been great.

    Yes, I too am a believer in different glasses ever since I went to a “glass” tasting several years ago. There we only had three – a Reidel Red, Reidel White and the one provided by the hotel where the tasting was held, which was referred to as the “Joker” glass.

    It was quite amazing to smell the differences — the red wine in the white glass didn’t hold a candle next to the red wine in the red glass. Similarly the white wine in the white glass outdid the same wine in the red glass. And the wines in the “joker” glass were far behind. As a result of this, I bought a Reidel set of two white and two red glasses in a protected bag to carry to restaurants.

    However, my wife is too embarresed to let me take them anyplace. I will show her your episode and try again.

    Here is another suggestion for an episode: How about a champaign tasting using the Reidel champaign glass, a “Marie Antonette” glass, and a generic white wine glass.

  • StanVH

    Great. Great show. Indeed, your last two have been great.

    Yes, I too am a believer in different glasses ever since I went to a “glass” tasting several years ago. There we only had three – a Reidel Red, Reidel White and the one provided by the hotel where the tasting was held, which was referred to as the “Joker” glass.

    It was quite amazing to smell the differences — the red wine in the white glass didn’t hold a candle next to the red wine in the red glass. Similarly the white wine in the white glass outdid the same wine in the red glass. And the wines in the “joker” glass were far behind. As a result of this, I bought a Reidel set of two white and two red glasses in a protected bag to carry to restaurants.

    However, my wife is too embarresed to let me take them anyplace. I will show her your episode and try again.

    Here is another suggestion for an episode: How about a champaign tasting using the Reidel champaign glass, a “Marie Antonette” glass, and a generic white wine glass.

  • TampaSteve

    WWAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO…I’m on WLTV! Now I need to go watch the episode.

  • Drew Rod

    Last two episodes were awesome. This was a 100 point episode!!! Great effort, solid finish. Same question as Rob B: How many different type of wine glasses should the average person have at home?

  • TampaSteve

    WWAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO…I’m on WLTV! Now I need to go watch the episode.

  • Drew Rod

    Last two episodes were awesome. This was a 100 point episode!!! Great effort, solid finish. Same question as Rob B: How many different type of wine glasses should the average person have at home?

  • HomerJ

    I really enjoyed this episode. Thanks, Gary.
    Since different type of glass affect the nose, now I’m wondering if differnt brand of glass affect the taste?
    Anyway, great work.

  • HomerJ

    I really enjoyed this episode. Thanks, Gary.
    Since different type of glass affect the nose, now I’m wondering if differnt brand of glass affect the taste?
    Anyway, great work.

  • TampaSteve

    I had to stop mid-show just to tell Gary: I don’t think you have anything to worry about in losing interest in the Jets…now back to WLTV.

  • TampaSteve

    I had to stop mid-show just to tell Gary: I don’t think you have anything to worry about in losing interest in the Jets…now back to WLTV.

  • Hey Gary,

    This is my first post. I loved this episode. It is nice to see a professional, such as yourself, still learning, despite your very last comment. It was obvious on your face, you were “smelling” a difference in the glasses.

    I found your site through YouTube only a couple of weeks ago. I feel like I found someone I can trust and receive a wine education, such as tonights episode. Like others, I sure hope you will do more educational episodes and not just tastings. I’ve back and watched dozens of the shows.

    I enjoyed your Monday show so well, I ordered 6 bottles; 2 of the Chat Haut Gardere and 4 of the Vitae Chianti Colli Senesi (yes, I took advantage of the free shipping-lol) I guess I’m one of the 700 – lol

    Thanks again for the shows Gary.

    -Michael

  • Hey Gary,

    This is my first post. I loved this episode. It is nice to see a professional, such as yourself, still learning, despite your very last comment. It was obvious on your face, you were “smelling” a difference in the glasses.

    I found your site through YouTube only a couple of weeks ago. I feel like I found someone I can trust and receive a wine education, such as tonights episode. Like others, I sure hope you will do more educational episodes and not just tastings. I’ve back and watched dozens of the shows.

    I enjoyed your Monday show so well, I ordered 6 bottles; 2 of the Chat Haut Gardere and 4 of the Vitae Chianti Colli Senesi (yes, I took advantage of the free shipping-lol) I guess I’m one of the 700 – lol

    Thanks again for the shows Gary.

    -Michael

  • cgf

    Gary-
    Great Episode! This might be my new favorite. You are an excellent educator. I have actually done this with the Riedel Burgundy and Bordeaux glasses and found the differences to be dramatic as well.

  • cgf

    Gary-
    Great Episode! This might be my new favorite. You are an excellent educator. I have actually done this with the Riedel Burgundy and Bordeaux glasses and found the differences to be dramatic as well.

  • TampaSteve

    Gary, you stole my funnel trick. That is exactly what I have been doing for the year now. I decant the wine at home, funnel it back into the bottle, put the cork in just enough so nothing spills and off to the restaurant we go.

  • TampaSteve

    Gary, you stole my funnel trick. That is exactly what I have been doing for the year now. I decant the wine at home, funnel it back into the bottle, put the cork in just enough so nothing spills and off to the restaurant we go.

  • Steve F (FingerLakes NY)

    Gary:

    I know that stemware size and shape matters! For example; after a rugby game we found ourselves with a full bottle and no stems. As ruggers will do; we drank the cabernet directly out of our boots. I must say; it definately showed that expected earthy, terrior driven nose and a bit of a musty finish. I could definately taste lizard skin and dirt. Additionally, the Merrell boot had a much more closed nose than did my Timberland.

    Ruggers; shooting a boot so that you don’t have to!

  • Steve F (FingerLakes NY)

    Gary:

    I know that stemware size and shape matters! For example; after a rugby game we found ourselves with a full bottle and no stems. As ruggers will do; we drank the cabernet directly out of our boots. I must say; it definately showed that expected earthy, terrior driven nose and a bit of a musty finish. I could definately taste lizard skin and dirt. Additionally, the Merrell boot had a much more closed nose than did my Timberland.

    Ruggers; shooting a boot so that you don’t have to!

  • Michael Palmer – Welcome aboard, hold on for a great ride!

  • Michael Palmer – Welcome aboard, hold on for a great ride!

  • TimF

    I listed to a podcast about stemware and it’s effect on wine. I think it was on the Oz Wine Show. They talked about why the glasses make it taste difference. Different glasses deliver the wine to a different place in your mouth and thus different aspects are emphasized on the attack (initial taste). I find it fascinating that they have no science to predict which wine glass to use for which wine, but rather they make a glass and try it with many wines to see which works best. It’s essentially all trial and error…

  • TimF

    I listed to a podcast about stemware and it’s effect on wine. I think it was on the Oz Wine Show. They talked about why the glasses make it taste difference. Different glasses deliver the wine to a different place in your mouth and thus different aspects are emphasized on the attack (initial taste). I find it fascinating that they have no science to predict which wine glass to use for which wine, but rather they make a glass and try it with many wines to see which works best. It’s essentially all trial and error…

  • TimF

    Gary – I was watching episode 29 today and you mentioned something about doing a blind Champagne tasting sometime in September or October along with us viewers. We’re running out of time…

  • TimF

    Gary – I was watching episode 29 today and you mentioned something about doing a blind Champagne tasting sometime in September or October along with us viewers. We’re running out of time…

  • good old ludwig van

    When we first got our varietal-specific glasses, we did a blind tasting comparing a Spiegelau red wine glass and a Riedel Vinum series that was correct for the wine (I forget the varietal we tested). My wife could tell the difference, even with her eyes closed and me holding the glass and tipping it for her (so she couldn’t be tipped off by the weight or feel of the glass).

    Over and over she correctly guessed which glass I’d just had her taste from.

    One interesting note, though, is that the varietal specific glass seems to enhance the characteristics of a wine–which may not be a good thing! For cheaper wines, we usually use the generic Speigelaus so it doesn’t accentuate flaws. We use Riedel Vinum series when we’re drinking better stuff, and the Sommelier series for our best bottles.

    I love the Sommeliers, but I can’t relax when I’m using them because I’m terrified of breaking one!

  • When we first got our varietal-specific glasses, we did a blind tasting comparing a Spiegelau red wine glass and a Riedel Vinum series that was correct for the wine (I forget the varietal we tested). My wife could tell the difference, even with her eyes closed and me holding the glass and tipping it for her (so she couldn’t be tipped off by the weight or feel of the glass).

    Over and over she correctly guessed which glass I’d just had her taste from.

    One interesting note, though, is that the varietal specific glass seems to enhance the characteristics of a wine–which may not be a good thing! For cheaper wines, we usually use the generic Speigelaus so it doesn’t accentuate flaws. We use Riedel Vinum series when we’re drinking better stuff, and the Sommelier series for our best bottles.

    I love the Sommeliers, but I can’t relax when I’m using them because I’m terrified of breaking one!

  • SS Chris

    GARY, I’m with JOE(#27) & my good friend, STALLION(#46)….I’m thoroughly confused.

    The entire episode was asserting that glass type DOES matter, especially on the NOSE.

    For the Caymus Cab, your rating ranged from 91 all the up to 95 which is a HUUUUGE difference.

    But at the end you say, and I quote, “Do Wine Glasses have an impact on wine? I’m going to give it a singing, huge, ABSOLUTELY not.”

    Was that last statement a joke, or did you mis-speak?

    P.S. Remember, I’m like a court stenographer due to the SS…gotta watch what you say.

  • SS Chris

    GARY, I’m with JOE(#27) & my good friend, STALLION(#46)….I’m thoroughly confused.

    The entire episode was asserting that glass type DOES matter, especially on the NOSE.

    For the Caymus Cab, your rating ranged from 91 all the up to 95 which is a HUUUUGE difference.

    But at the end you say, and I quote, “Do Wine Glasses have an impact on wine? I’m going to give it a singing, huge, ABSOLUTELY not.”

    Was that last statement a joke, or did you mis-speak?

    P.S. Remember, I’m like a court stenographer due to the SS…gotta watch what you say.

  • SS Chris

    VaynIACS, I know that there have been some questions for Gary as to what glass to buy if you’re going to get one set to get started. I asked this same question of Gary a few months ago…his answer was the Bordeaux (which was confirmed as a good choice on this episode). Hope this helps!!

  • SS Chris

    VaynIACS, I know that there have been some questions for Gary as to what glass to buy if you’re going to get one set to get started. I asked this same question of Gary a few months ago…his answer was the Bordeaux (which was confirmed as a good choice on this episode). Hope this helps!!

  • SS Chris

    One more thing…I know that Gary worked very hard yesterday tasting 15 wines. I worked the 2nd hardest, entering all of those tasting notes into the SS (including the 13 letter U’s requested by Gary when he used HUGE on the Tallulah).

    Can a brother get a shout-out from one VaynIAC? sheeesh!!! 🙂

  • SS Chris

    One more thing…I know that Gary worked very hard yesterday tasting 15 wines. I worked the 2nd hardest, entering all of those tasting notes into the SS (including the 13 letter U’s requested by Gary when he used HUGE on the Tallulah).

    Can a brother get a shout-out from one VaynIAC? sheeesh!!! 🙂

  • DennisA

    Gary,
    When trying other wine glasses, how about comparing the stemless galls,which was the recent rage, with the classic stem glass.

  • DennisA

    Gary,
    When trying other wine glasses, how about comparing the stemless galls,which was the recent rage, with the classic stem glass.

  • DennisA

    That was stemless glass

  • DennisA

    That was stemless glass

  • Jaye

    Hey Gary . . . I hate to sound like a broken record, but you really did a great job again today (even with that bit at the end where you call into question the whole previous 26 minutes)! I have tried the same wine out of different glasses and noticed a considerable difference. So much so that I don’t even use my wedding crystal — it sits untouched except for maybe Thanksgiving when it matters more to me that the table looks just right, rather than how the wine tastes.

    I have several different Riedel Vinum wine glasses. For whites: Chablis (5 – one broke), Riesling Grand Cru (6), and Rheingau (4). For reds: Syrah (6) and Bordeaux (6) (I also use the RGC wine glasses for Chianti and other Italian wines). In addition I have 2 each Cab/Merlot “O” and Riesling/Sauv Blanc “O” just for every day use because I got tired of having to replace stems all the time. I like to think I have most of my bases covered with this collection.

    If I could only have two stem glasses, I would go with the Bordeaux and the Chablis.

    I think I might buy some Port glasses in about 20 years when it comes time to drink my vintage ports.

    Regarding those comments about restaurants . . . I don’t take wine glasses with me to restaurants instead I just take inexpensive wine (unless I know they have good glasses). I save the “good” wines for home-cooked meals where I can control everything.

    I noticed that Riedel has a tasting glass: http://riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/vinum/vinum4/popupvinumtasting/body_popupvinumtasting.html
    Would using a glass like this provide a more level playing field for tastings, or is it always a good idea to taste using the “right glass”. If so, why do so many places still do their wine tastings in those awful little plastic or even paper cups? I think even WineLibrary is guilty of this on their weekend tastings. I think I would be self-concious about bringing my own “tasting glass” with me, but if its the difference between that and drinking out of a little paper or plastic cup, maybe I just need to get over it. What do others think?

  • Gary

    We are having a new stemware designed just for wines from Loire. The stemware is called â??Pierre Bleaue.â? On one side there is a crest with grape vine and clusters. Since it can hold so much wine, we are making the top fit a large screw cap.

    Our designer Maçon en Pierre ran several tests with a panel of French wine judges. All agreed that wines judged using â??Pierre Bleaueâ? stemware taste like â??wet rockâ??. Some judges suggested that it is the large open top that reveals the gout de terroir.

    Our salemen Fred and Barne will be on the east coast in the near future. Fred and Barne want to go to a Jets game.

  • Jaye

    Hey Gary . . . I hate to sound like a broken record, but you really did a great job again today (even with that bit at the end where you call into question the whole previous 26 minutes)! I have tried the same wine out of different glasses and noticed a considerable difference. So much so that I don’t even use my wedding crystal — it sits untouched except for maybe Thanksgiving when it matters more to me that the table looks just right, rather than how the wine tastes.

    I have several different Riedel Vinum wine glasses. For whites: Chablis (5 – one broke), Riesling Grand Cru (6), and Rheingau (4). For reds: Syrah (6) and Bordeaux (6) (I also use the RGC wine glasses for Chianti and other Italian wines). In addition I have 2 each Cab/Merlot “O” and Riesling/Sauv Blanc “O” just for every day use because I got tired of having to replace stems all the time. I like to think I have most of my bases covered with this collection.

    If I could only have two stem glasses, I would go with the Bordeaux and the Chablis.

    I think I might buy some Port glasses in about 20 years when it comes time to drink my vintage ports.

    Regarding those comments about restaurants . . . I don’t take wine glasses with me to restaurants instead I just take inexpensive wine (unless I know they have good glasses). I save the “good” wines for home-cooked meals where I can control everything.

    I noticed that Riedel has a tasting glass: http://riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/vinum/vinum4/popupvinumtasting/body_popupvinumtasting.html
    Would using a glass like this provide a more level playing field for tastings, or is it always a good idea to taste using the “right glass”. If so, why do so many places still do their wine tastings in those awful little plastic or even paper cups? I think even WineLibrary is guilty of this on their weekend tastings. I think I would be self-concious about bringing my own “tasting glass” with me, but if its the difference between that and drinking out of a little paper or plastic cup, maybe I just need to get over it. What do others think?

  • Gary

    We are having a new stemware designed just for wines from Loire. The stemware is called â??Pierre Bleaue.â? On one side there is a crest with grape vine and clusters. Since it can hold so much wine, we are making the top fit a large screw cap.

    Our designer Maçon en Pierre ran several tests with a panel of French wine judges. All agreed that wines judged using â??Pierre Bleaueâ? stemware taste like â??wet rockâ??. Some judges suggested that it is the large open top that reveals the gout de terroir.

    Our salemen Fred and Barne will be on the east coast in the near future. Fred and Barne want to go to a Jets game.

  • Jaye

    SS Chris . . .

    YOU ROCK!!

  • Jaye

    SS Chris . . .

    YOU ROCK!!

  • Gary

    Fred said, “If you do not have Jets tickets for him and Barne then you can pick-up your â??Pierre Bleaueâ? stemware from this website http://www.nextag.com/ball-mason-jars/search-html.

  • Gary

    Fred said, “If you do not have Jets tickets for him and Barne then you can pick-up your â??Pierre Bleaueâ? stemware from this website http://www.nextag.com/ball-mason-jars/search-html.

  • Karen

    okay, this is not at all like me to pursue something in the comments section at wltv. i’m laid back, not dogged…except when it comes to misconception, mistaking perception based on expectation. i’m a cognitive psychologist, this is what i spend my 70 hour weeks studying: human behaviour. of course it makes absolute common sense that there’s going to be a difference in the effect of drinking champagne from a fish bowl versus from fluted crystal stemware, there is some physics at work here…but how much of it is your perception of the difference tastes because you expect the differences to be be there?
    usually i’m pretty passive about watching garyv too. let him load while i work, watch with a distracted interest, pausing him when i need to attend to work. but, no, not today…when i saw he was going to cover this stemware issue everything else was put on hold while all my attention was on garyv. after the first round of tasting, it thought to myself, “garyv is as susceptible to illusion as we all are…he is human after all” but i really still needed to see the rest. and at the end, when he’s taking two practically identical glasses and claiming a difference i wanted to scream “Snob!” at the laptop. not Garyv!!!
    and then i saw the grin. and then the last comment. and i thought, well ha, there it is. he’s a very clever fellow. this is why he’s interesting. so i said so much in a comment. i thought everyone would see it…garyv, once again, teaching us. our bodhisattva. but then i read the comments and man-oh-man, you’re all taking this too seriously. you perceive the wine tastes better in the Sommeliers because you spent a freakin fortune on the glasses and you only take them out for the best occasions and for the best wines.
    i grant you that there is art in wine making and wine appreciation but grant me that there is also science. an excerpt from cnn.money.com, an article called be a better liar, may 1, 2005:

    “….Parker and Matthews and hundreds of other wine luminaries are now believers (and as a result, they are Riedel’s best word-of-mouth marketers). Millions of wine drinkers around the world have been persuaded that a $200 bottle of Opus One (or a bottle of Two-Buck Chuck) tastes better when served in the proper Riedel glass.

    Yet when tests are done scientifically–double-blind tests that eliminate any chance that the subject would know the shape of the glass–there is absolutely zero detectable difference among glasses. A $1 glass and a $20 glass deliver precisely the same impact on the wine: none.

    So what’s going on? Why do wine experts insist that the wine tastes better in a Riedel glass at the same time that scientists can easily prove it doesn’t? The flaw in the experiment, as outlined by Daniel Zwerdling in Gourmet magazine, is that the reason the wine tastes better is that people believe it should. This makes sense, of course. Taste is subjective. Riedel sells millions of dollars’ worth of glasses every year. It sells glasses to intelligent, well-off wine lovers, who then proceed to enjoy their wine more than they did before. Marketing, in the form of an expensive glass and the story that goes with it, has more impact on the taste of wine than oak casks or fancy corks or the rain in June. Georg Riedel makes your wine taste better by telling you a story.”

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