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EP 140 Second Wines/Labels of Bordeaux and Other Wines.-Episode #140.

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This is a much anticipated episode where Gary Vaynerchuk tastes through the second labels of major wineries to see how their second wines stack up. Gary tastes through wines from California, Italy and of course Bordeaux where much is made of second label wines.

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  • Ken

    Gary,
    Good show.
    Is the Le Serra Nuove Ornellaia really at middle $20? You link has it at $37.99.

  • Ken

    Gary,
    Good show.
    Is the Le Serra Nuove Ornellaia really at middle $20? You link has it at $37.99.

  • QueSeraSyrah

    I was wondering if someone was going to use Tony Romo as an analogy when you made that backup QB remark.

    Solid episode Gary. QOD- Carraudes de Lafite would have to be on the top of my list for secondary wines (it’s a short list though). One that I’ve had recently that I felt showed up it’s big brother was the 2003 Faust Cabernet Sauvignon. I’ve been unimpressed with Quintessa, but the Faust (I picked it up based on recommendation and didn’t even know it was related to Quintessa until much later) was a much better value and wine in my opinion.

  • Pavillon rouge ’03- numero uno 2nd wine.
    I heard that Eli Manning comment by the way…what did I tell you before about bashing the Giants? Actually, speaking of second wines, how about New York’s SECOND team- the Jetties? I guess Eli is no Ken O’Brien now is he? I’m tellin’ yah, if you keep talking Giants trash, the next thousand dollar bottle you buy will be corked!
    Check out the Metro Cafe & Wine Bar on 21st and park. http://www.metrocafenyc.com/

  • QueSeraSyrah

    I was wondering if someone was going to use Tony Romo as an analogy when you made that backup QB remark.

    Solid episode Gary. QOD- Carraudes de Lafite would have to be on the top of my list for secondary wines (it’s a short list though). One that I’ve had recently that I felt showed up it’s big brother was the 2003 Faust Cabernet Sauvignon. I’ve been unimpressed with Quintessa, but the Faust (I picked it up based on recommendation and didn’t even know it was related to Quintessa until much later) was a much better value and wine in my opinion.

  • Pavillon rouge ’03- numero uno 2nd wine.
    I heard that Eli Manning comment by the way…what did I tell you before about bashing the Giants? Actually, speaking of second wines, how about New York’s SECOND team- the Jetties? I guess Eli is no Ken O’Brien now is he? I’m tellin’ yah, if you keep talking Giants trash, the next thousand dollar bottle you buy will be corked!
    Check out the Metro Cafe & Wine Bar on 21st and park. http://www.metrocafenyc.com/

  • Mitch

    Gary;
    What’s with many of the major Bordeaux chateaux releasing multiple second wines with different names, different labels, and different release dates? I bought Sarget de Gruaud Larose on futures years ago! It was featured at the time as Gruaud’s second label. Now they have released Roseraie de Gruaud and they don’t blink an eyelash. It may be good for revenue, but in my opinion not very fair to the consumer who would like some clear idea of what they purchased.

    On another note, Darioush has to produce among the most oak-ridden wines on the planet. Wine educators should buy the stuff to use as a sample of oak-madness for the education of novices.

  • Mitch

    Gary;
    What’s with many of the major Bordeaux chateaux releasing multiple second wines with different names, different labels, and different release dates? I bought Sarget de Gruaud Larose on futures years ago! It was featured at the time as Gruaud’s second label. Now they have released Roseraie de Gruaud and they don’t blink an eyelash. It may be good for revenue, but in my opinion not very fair to the consumer who would like some clear idea of what they purchased.

    On another note, Darioush has to produce among the most oak-ridden wines on the planet. Wine educators should buy the stuff to use as a sample of oak-madness for the education of novices.

  • KAHUNA

    I will go cheap and I do not know if this is a second wine- probably not but Hawks Crest by Stags Leap year to year pretty darn good- Wouldnt know a 2nd Frenchy if it fell out of the rack and onto my toe-

    By the way Peyton had a wopping one more win through his first 36 games than Eli has- but of course you are a dopey Jets fan with a dopey fireman leading a dopey cheer-thank god Jets is easy to spell because with their boonesfarm drinking fan base they probably couldn’t spell anything else- A bald man in a firehat riding another man -looks a little Brokeback Mountain to me in that stadium.

  • KAHUNA

    I will go cheap and I do not know if this is a second wine- probably not but Hawks Crest by Stags Leap year to year pretty darn good- Wouldnt know a 2nd Frenchy if it fell out of the rack and onto my toe-

    By the way Peyton had a wopping one more win through his first 36 games than Eli has- but of course you are a dopey Jets fan with a dopey fireman leading a dopey cheer-thank god Jets is easy to spell because with their boonesfarm drinking fan base they probably couldn’t spell anything else- A bald man in a firehat riding another man -looks a little Brokeback Mountain to me in that stadium.

  • Pete J.

    Yquem’s 2nd Y was a revelation. How about a vertical on Ch. Pontet Canet?

  • Pete J.

    Yquem’s 2nd Y was a revelation. How about a vertical on Ch. Pontet Canet?

  • hugh

    Gary,

    I thought the Roseraie was Gruaud Larose’s 3rd wine, with Sarget de G L as the second.
    Can u check that for me!! The 1996 Sarget was a good value at about $20…

  • hugh

    Gary,

    I thought the Roseraie was Gruaud Larose’s 3rd wine, with Sarget de G L as the second.
    Can u check that for me!! The 1996 Sarget was a good value at about $20…

  • gabe

    BIRBA!

  • gabe

    BIRBA!

  • Tom T.

    Gary,

    Awesome episode. This is why WLTV is so good and that is to learn something about wines. I never knew about second wines until 5 minutes ago. I’ll be trying the Ornellaia real soon.

    Hey take it easy on Eli. He’s young and needs time to grow. Was Peyton any good in his second year?

  • Tom T.

    Gary,

    Awesome episode. This is why WLTV is so good and that is to learn something about wines. I never knew about second wines until 5 minutes ago. I’ll be trying the Ornellaia real soon.

    Hey take it easy on Eli. He’s young and needs time to grow. Was Peyton any good in his second year?

  • ER

    Sarget is the second wine of Gruaud Larose – wonder if this is a new release of some sort. The Sarget is a one of my favorite second labels — always affordable. I’d like to see Gary taste a bottle of that.

  • joe

    Gary I have purchased Sargent de la Gruaurd Larose as its second wine. what happened to it?

    Really good idea for an episode. I too have been so dissapointed by second wines in the past – my favorite being Palmers Alter Ego 1995. Unless you consider the Penflods Bin 389 a seond of Bin 707 and Grange.

    I love Ornellaia. Great to see it’s ’04 second doing so well. Can you imagine how Great the REAL 2004 Ornellaia is ?? I will have to get a case of that. I have had the ’03 Ornellaia twice now – very very different than in years past – – a super extracted Black Fruit/Licorice bomb. Have you tasted it?

    Joe

  • ER

    Sarget is the second wine of Gruaud Larose – wonder if this is a new release of some sort. The Sarget is a one of my favorite second labels — always affordable. I’d like to see Gary taste a bottle of that.

  • joe

    Gary I have purchased Sargent de la Gruaurd Larose as its second wine. what happened to it?

    Really good idea for an episode. I too have been so dissapointed by second wines in the past – my favorite being Palmers Alter Ego 1995. Unless you consider the Penflods Bin 389 a seond of Bin 707 and Grange.

    I love Ornellaia. Great to see it’s ’04 second doing so well. Can you imagine how Great the REAL 2004 Ornellaia is ?? I will have to get a case of that. I have had the ’03 Ornellaia twice now – very very different than in years past – – a super extracted Black Fruit/Licorice bomb. Have you tasted it?

    Joe

  • 2000 Chat Roseraie De Gruaud Larose is the third wine the Sargent de la Gruaurd Larose is the 2nd,sorry for the mix up, just had my head in too many places

  • 2000 Chat Roseraie De Gruaud Larose is the third wine the Sargent de la Gruaurd Larose is the 2nd,sorry for the mix up, just had my head in too many places

  • hugh

    THANKS, THOUGHT SO!!

  • hugh

    THANKS, THOUGHT SO!!

  • Rick McQ

    Gary:

    Great show! I’ve had a few seconds but none worth remenbering.

  • Rick McQ

    Gary:

    Great show! I’ve had a few seconds but none worth remenbering.

  • chogan

    ’05 Bordeaux 2nd label might be good to do considering the insane prices.

    Petit Cheval is one of particular interest to me.

  • Eyeguy

    Great episode! I’m sure I’ve had seconds and probably thirds, but not sophisticated enough to know for sure!

    Rich

  • chogan

    ’05 Bordeaux 2nd label might be good to do considering the insane prices.

    Petit Cheval is one of particular interest to me.

  • Eyeguy

    Great episode! I’m sure I’ve had seconds and probably thirds, but not sophisticated enough to know for sure!

    Rich

  • Wine-o

    Top ten???? Maybe tomorrow…
    QOTD #1 English is Italian,Great Spot and very urbane.
    Da Silvano, best restaurant in NYC hands down…
    QOTD #2 Tin Pony anyone…

  • Wine-o

    Top ten???? Maybe tomorrow…
    QOTD #1 English is Italian,Great Spot and very urbane.
    Da Silvano, best restaurant in NYC hands down…
    QOTD #2 Tin Pony anyone…

  • Wildebeest

    Dammit Gary,

    What’s the deal w/ August 19th, 2007? I assume that’s the date we’re headed towards. In 1692, five women were killed on that day in the as a result of the Salem Witch Trials, but I doubt that’s what you’re thinking of. Are you just trying to recruit help in the task of remembering your anniversary (wedding) or something? …By the way, how’d your chili turn out?

  • Wildebeest

    Dammit Gary,

    What’s the deal w/ August 19th, 2007? I assume that’s the date we’re headed towards. In 1692, five women were killed on that day in the as a result of the Salem Witch Trials, but I doubt that’s what you’re thinking of. Are you just trying to recruit help in the task of remembering your anniversary (wedding) or something? …By the way, how’d your chili turn out?

  • Paul

    I agree with BrandonM – Les Forts de Latour. It has been MANY years since I had it, though. Bought half a case of ’66. It’s long gone.

  • Paul

    I agree with BrandonM – Les Forts de Latour. It has been MANY years since I had it, though. Bought half a case of ’66. It’s long gone.

  • Paul

    Thinking further, I do have a bait of Carruades de Lafite in the basement – 1989 and 2000, I think. It’s a good 2nd, too.

  • Paul

    Thinking further, I do have a bait of Carruades de Lafite in the basement – 1989 and 2000, I think. It’s a good 2nd, too.

  • Dominus

    Comparisons of 1st and 2nd growths to Peyton and Eli? Classic! I couldn’t have said it better.

    QOD: Is Reignac considered a 2nd growth? if it is, I love it, otherwise, I’ve had nothing memorable.

    Also, the name of a restaurant I have found to be compelling or special? In our area of the world, (DC/MD/VA) The Inn at Little Washington reigns supreme with Le Auberge Chez Francois. Both wonderful restaurants though for the wine geek, Charlie Palmer’s Steahouse, a stone’s throw away from the US Capitol is the place to go. You have the opportunity to order wine via a PC tablet. Now how cool is that!

    Dom

  • Dominus

    Comparisons of 1st and 2nd growths to Peyton and Eli? Classic! I couldn’t have said it better.

    QOD: Is Reignac considered a 2nd growth? if it is, I love it, otherwise, I’ve had nothing memorable.

    Also, the name of a restaurant I have found to be compelling or special? In our area of the world, (DC/MD/VA) The Inn at Little Washington reigns supreme with Le Auberge Chez Francois. Both wonderful restaurants though for the wine geek, Charlie Palmer’s Steahouse, a stone’s throw away from the US Capitol is the place to go. You have the opportunity to order wine via a PC tablet. Now how cool is that!

    Dom

  • Tony S

    Gary,

    Give LaTour in Ridgewood, NJ a try (http://www.latourridgewood.com/)!

    You say “Ornellaia Le Serre Nuove 2004 for $20.00” (not the $37.99 listed on the Wine Library web site)? I say I’ll order a case or two today!

    QOD: 2003 Chateau Lascombes.

  • Tony S

    Gary,

    Give LaTour in Ridgewood, NJ a try (http://www.latourridgewood.com/)!

    You say “Ornellaia Le Serre Nuove 2004 for $20.00” (not the $37.99 listed on the Wine Library web site)? I say I’ll order a case or two today!

    QOD: 2003 Chateau Lascombes.

  • John

    Les Fortes de Latour, the #1 #2

  • John

    Les Fortes de Latour, the #1 #2

  • Jaye

    Gary, this was really a terrific episode — I am sure a lot of your viewers learned something completely new today. Kudos! I also love your little digs with that number. I’m guessing it’s the day you will finally put Tony out of his misery and do the much anticipated heat episode. 🙂

    As for my favorite second, I committed infanticide when I opened it, and it really was awful the first day, but a few days later the flavors were quite good showing a great deal of promise for when I try my next bottle in about 3 years . . . 2000 Clos du Marquis.

  • Jaye

    Gary, this was really a terrific episode — I am sure a lot of your viewers learned something completely new today. Kudos! I also love your little digs with that number. I’m guessing it’s the day you will finally put Tony out of his misery and do the much anticipated heat episode. 🙂

    As for my favorite second, I committed infanticide when I opened it, and it really was awful the first day, but a few days later the flavors were quite good showing a great deal of promise for when I try my next bottle in about 3 years . . . 2000 Clos du Marquis.

  • E-Rock

    Great show Gary!

  • E-Rock

    Great show Gary!

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