EP 282 Pinot Noir from France aka Burgundy

Gary tastes the entry level Pinot Noir’s from Burgundy.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Marechal Bourgogne Rouge Cuvee GravelBourgogne Rouge
2005 Danjean Berthoux Bourgogne RougeBourgogne Rouge
2004 Arnoux Bourgogne Pinot FinBourgogne Rouge
2005 Patrice Rion Bourgogne RougeBourgogne Rouge

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  • Paul

    I’d guess around 100, as far back as the ’37 vintage. Not much recently due to QPR issues, but I do have some in the cellar.

    The wine world is changing. Hope the dollar to gets stronger.

  • Paul

    I’d guess around 100, as far back as the ’37 vintage. Not much recently due to QPR issues, but I do have some in the cellar.

    The wine world is changing. Hope the dollar to gets stronger.

  • Fishamble

    QOTD: Lots too. (Hi Metal Dave, saw your previous greeting to me way late.)

    I’m glad you had a good overall impression of today’s burgundies. For a long time, the most most remarkable thing about burgundy in my mind was its unreliability, and how much money you had to spend to get something really worthwhile. But my God, when it is good it’s great!
    I think that the French wine industry is returning from a period of a glut of pretty indifferent producers. There’s a lot of rationalisation going on, and the quality is on the up and up. Southern France seems to be experiencing the biggest impact, and perhaps now burgundy too. They’ll have a lot to thank the new world for (just as long as they adopt the quality aspects, and hold on to their own style).

  • Fishamble

    QOTD: Lots too. (Hi Metal Dave, saw your previous greeting to me way late.)

    I’m glad you had a good overall impression of today’s burgundies. For a long time, the most most remarkable thing about burgundy in my mind was its unreliability, and how much money you had to spend to get something really worthwhile. But my God, when it is good it’s great!
    I think that the French wine industry is returning from a period of a glut of pretty indifferent producers. There’s a lot of rationalisation going on, and the quality is on the up and up. Southern France seems to be experiencing the biggest impact, and perhaps now burgundy too. They’ll have a lot to thank the new world for (just as long as they adopt the quality aspects, and hold on to their own style).

  • mjhch1

    AAAh… Burgundy… I love it. I’ve tasted a bunch of Red Burgandy lately. I would have to say at least 4 in the past week… not sure how many before that. Definitely going to seek out and try to find your selections. ((unfortunately I’m in GA.. sucks here trying to find some wines 🙁 and can’t just order it))

    I really enjoy the new world Pinot, and that NZ Otago Amisfield is really nice (still have a few bottles left here), but I really love the traditional Pinot – Red Burgundy… I hope that they will always stay true to their style. Love the barn!

    Enough already… cheers!

  • mjhch1

    AAAh… Burgundy… I love it. I’ve tasted a bunch of Red Burgandy lately. I would have to say at least 4 in the past week… not sure how many before that. Definitely going to seek out and try to find your selections. ((unfortunately I’m in GA.. sucks here trying to find some wines 🙁 and can’t just order it))

    I really enjoy the new world Pinot, and that NZ Otago Amisfield is really nice (still have a few bottles left here), but I really love the traditional Pinot – Red Burgundy… I hope that they will always stay true to their style. Love the barn!

    Enough already… cheers!

  • Michael Z

    I picked grapes in Burgundy for the 1999 harvest (small appelation of Givry) so Burgundies will also be close to my heart … I had a Thierry et Pascale Matrot RED Meursault 2003 the other day and it blew me away. Talk about aromatic! If you can find it, absolutely try it! Meursault not known so much for its reds, which is probably why this was reasonable, too. Definitely some new world elements in there, which may be why I liked it so much. I appreciate barnyard, but my favorite pinots tend to either be new world done in an old world style (like some in Oregon) or old world done in a newer-world style. Go figure! 🙂

  • Michael Z

    I picked grapes in Burgundy for the 1999 harvest (small appelation of Givry) so Burgundies will also be close to my heart … I had a Thierry et Pascale Matrot RED Meursault 2003 the other day and it blew me away. Talk about aromatic! If you can find it, absolutely try it! Meursault not known so much for its reds, which is probably why this was reasonable, too. Definitely some new world elements in there, which may be why I liked it so much. I appreciate barnyard, but my favorite pinots tend to either be new world done in an old world style (like some in Oregon) or old world done in a newer-world style. Go figure! 🙂

  • yowens

    GV- Thanks, I’ve been looking forward to a Burgundy show. QOTD: Probably 5 or so

  • yowens

    GV- Thanks, I’ve been looking forward to a Burgundy show. QOTD: Probably 5 or so

  • PTex

    Iâ??m a fan of any well made style of Pinot Noir. But in my experience, itâ??s pretty hard to pick out Bourgogne that has a special quality, but is priced at the entry level. I feel Iâ??m often burned buying ~$20 French Pinot. I guess it would help to be more familiar with the producers and vintages. QOTD 20?

  • PTex

    Iâ??m a fan of any well made style of Pinot Noir. But in my experience, itâ??s pretty hard to pick out Bourgogne that has a special quality, but is priced at the entry level. I feel Iâ??m often burned buying ~$20 French Pinot. I guess it would help to be more familiar with the producers and vintages. QOTD 20?

  • QOTD – at least a dozen, including one Premier Cru: $40 at a sale and worth it.

  • QOTD – at least a dozen, including one Premier Cru: $40 at a sale and worth it.

  • sharon

    Thanks for another great show, Gary. You are the street poet of the Wine World.
    QOTD: I don’t have a clue. Some? A few? None? Oh well there goes the memory.

  • sharon

    Thanks for another great show, Gary. You are the street poet of the Wine World.
    QOTD: I don’t have a clue. Some? A few? None? Oh well there goes the memory.

  • charles

    Qotd: Too many to count I been a ton of Burgundy tasting like a lot of the comments say they tend to be too spendy for me so I try hit every tasting that an importer has, the 05 are real good esp. the macons

  • charles

    Qotd: Too many to count I been a ton of Burgundy tasting like a lot of the comments say they tend to be too spendy for me so I try hit every tasting that an importer has, the 05 are real good esp. the macons

  • Andy

    QOTD—- Really only a couple no Grand Cru either…….So its time
    Thanks for the Pinot G

  • Andy

    QOTD—- Really only a couple no Grand Cru either…….So its time
    Thanks for the Pinot G

  • Nathan L

    I LOOOOOOOOOVE Burgundy. God I wish I didn’t have such expensive taste. I’ve probably had 20-30 in the two years I’ve been into wine. Recently I’ve been more into Barolo/Barbaresco. Same subtlty at half/two-thirds the price.

  • Nathan L

    I LOOOOOOOOOVE Burgundy. God I wish I didn’t have such expensive taste. I’ve probably had 20-30 in the two years I’ve been into wine. Recently I’ve been more into Barolo/Barbaresco. Same subtlty at half/two-thirds the price.

  • Ricardo Ganc

    About 70% from France, 15% New Zealand and 15% from Chile……believe it or not, I’ve never had a North-American Pinot……..(Almost as expensive as the French (In Brazil) and not as good!!!
    Ricardo

  • Ricardo Ganc

    About 70% from France, 15% New Zealand and 15% from Chile……believe it or not, I’ve never had a North-American Pinot……..(Almost as expensive as the French (In Brazil) and not as good!!!
    Ricardo

  • Jeff

    QOTD: Zero – didn’t realize that until you asked the question. New #1 Priority – Changing that “Zero” to a real number.

    Gary, thanks for changing my wine world every day! You’re awesome.

  • Jeff

    QOTD: Zero – didn’t realize that until you asked the question. New #1 Priority – Changing that “Zero” to a real number.

    Gary, thanks for changing my wine world every day! You’re awesome.

  • Bobinnati

    QOTD – zero, zip, nada. I would have to say that I am not a huge Pinot Noir fan in general. I have never really been impressed with any of them that I have had, but that’s probably because I won’t pay $40 for a bottle of wine. Maybe I should try a really good bottle of Pinot and see if it changes my opinion.

  • Bobinnati

    QOTD – zero, zip, nada. I would have to say that I am not a huge Pinot Noir fan in general. I have never really been impressed with any of them that I have had, but that’s probably because I won’t pay $40 for a bottle of wine. Maybe I should try a really good bottle of Pinot and see if it changes my opinion.

  • portman

    Two that I know of. Louis Jadot Bourgogne 2003. It was blah and thin. A second one was a villages but I cannot remember what it was, maybe a 2004.

    In the cellar however, are the half dozen or so of those late ’70s burgundys that I wrote about in the forums a few months ago. Those bottles will be opend and tasted this Oct or Nov at a tasting here.

  • portman

    Two that I know of. Louis Jadot Bourgogne 2003. It was blah and thin. A second one was a villages but I cannot remember what it was, maybe a 2004.

    In the cellar however, are the half dozen or so of those late ’70s burgundys that I wrote about in the forums a few months ago. Those bottles will be opend and tasted this Oct or Nov at a tasting here.

  • Oregon Jim

    Great Job Gary, again, so much fun to watch and learn.

    I have had a few Burgundys, and done some tasteoffs against some Oregon Pinots. Due probably to my lack of knowledge of Bourgogne, I have not found an example that was as good as similar priced Oregon favorites.

    My new favorite area is Russian River, expensive but I have experienced some trancendent efforts. Kanzler, Rochioli, and Davis Family so far.

    I’d like to try one of those “Bordeaux Burgundys” some day!

  • Oregon Jim

    Great Job Gary, again, so much fun to watch and learn.

    I have had a few Burgundys, and done some tasteoffs against some Oregon Pinots. Due probably to my lack of knowledge of Bourgogne, I have not found an example that was as good as similar priced Oregon favorites.

    My new favorite area is Russian River, expensive but I have experienced some trancendent efforts. Kanzler, Rochioli, and Davis Family so far.

    I’d like to try one of those “Bordeaux Burgundys” some day!

  • mikeyrad

    QOTD: Lots and lots. I love Burgundys. Just had two a couple of weeks ago for my wife’s birthday including a ’76 Ampeau Puligny Montrachet that might have even impressed Sir Gary.

  • mikeyrad

    QOTD: Lots and lots. I love Burgundys. Just had two a couple of weeks ago for my wife’s birthday including a ’76 Ampeau Puligny Montrachet that might have even impressed Sir Gary.

  • Haha. I had to laugh at your soccer metaphor. Sorry Gary, but David Beckham is playing soccer in the US. He moved to LA to play for the Galaxy within the last few weeks 🙂

  • Haha. I had to laugh at your soccer metaphor. Sorry Gary, but David Beckham is playing soccer in the US. He moved to LA to play for the Galaxy within the last few weeks 🙂

  • Jim in Atlanta

    I like barnyard taste and smell, but not vomit in wines. Have tried maybe 75 red burgundys. Wish I could afford more and better. Thanks for giving us some cheaper buys.

  • Jim in Atlanta

    I like barnyard taste and smell, but not vomit in wines. Have tried maybe 75 red burgundys. Wish I could afford more and better. Thanks for giving us some cheaper buys.

  • Wave

    Excellent episode!!!! QOD- all my fingers and toes!!!!Unfortunately there have been some big duds but some epicly unbelievable ones as well.Actually watched fridays episode before thursdays and fridays champ, Vincent Girardin, is some of the best red b I’ve ever had.

  • Wave

    Excellent episode!!!! QOD- all my fingers and toes!!!!Unfortunately there have been some big duds but some epicly unbelievable ones as well.Actually watched fridays episode before thursdays and fridays champ, Vincent Girardin, is some of the best red b I’ve ever had.

  • Malarkey

    lots and lots and lots of red burgundies. They aren’t all expensive. and I’ve had some absolutely lovely ones. One of my favorite wines.

  • Malarkey

    lots and lots and lots of red burgundies. They aren’t all expensive. and I’ve had some absolutely lovely ones. One of my favorite wines.

  • wannaBconnoisseur

    QOTD: A handful, some have been good, a couple have been a little to dirty and old world for me.

  • wannaBconnoisseur

    QOTD: A handful, some have been good, a couple have been a little to dirty and old world for me.

  • Dan NYC

    QOTD: Probably 20-30 had a 1985 DRC echezeaux which rocked my friggin world.

  • Dan NYC

    QOTD: Probably 20-30 had a 1985 DRC echezeaux which rocked my friggin world.

  • QotD : Maybe 40+ something…some from Alsace though. If champagne counts i guess its a 100 +

    Cheers

    Swedish T

  • QotD : Maybe 40+ something…some from Alsace though. If champagne counts i guess its a 100 +

    Cheers

    Swedish T

  • Good idea for an episode, Gary.

    QOTD: about 15 pinots from France (vs. 200 or so from California/Oregon) — largely because the selection of California/Oregon wines is so much better for someone who lives about 20 minutes from the Sonoma County line. Actually, I prefer the Old World style pinots.

  • Good idea for an episode, Gary.

    QOTD: about 15 pinots from France (vs. 200 or so from California/Oregon) — largely because the selection of California/Oregon wines is so much better for someone who lives about 20 minutes from the Sonoma County line. Actually, I prefer the Old World style pinots.

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