EP 308 Rhone Rangers

Gary Vaynerchuk focuses on the wines that are making Rhone style wines in California!

Wines tasted in this episode:

2003 Garretson “g”Other California Rhone Blends
2005 Beckmen Cuvee Le BecOther California Rhone Blends
2005 Michael Austin Bad HabitOther California Rhone Blends

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  • JamesN.

    QOTD; I enjoy rhone style wines, I have seriously enjoyed a 97 California Cardinal meritage, and the 97& 98 vintages of the Rosemount GSM was always nice.

  • joeboo

    Gary,
    Background on “Rhone Ranger”, this term was coined to decribe a group of maverick winemakers and not the wine. This term refers to a group of men who pursued rhone varietals both in planting and winemaking in California instead of the more popular Cabernet and Chardonnay of the 1980’s.

    “Rhone Rangers”:
    Steve Edmunds (Edmunds St. John ) being a key member.
    Randall Grahm of Bonny Doon.
    Bob Lindquist of Qupe.
    Jim Clendenen of Au Bon Climat.
    Gary Eberle of Eberle.
    Adam Tolmach of Ojai.
    Bill Crfawford of McDowell Valley Vineyards.
    Joseph Phelps of Phelps.

    The current list of “Rhone Rangers” is longer, but these are the “founding”
    members, early in the promotion and propagation of Rhone varietals in California.

    See ya’

    Joeboo Sanchez

  • joeboo

    Gary,
    Background on “Rhone Ranger”, this term was coined to decribe a group of maverick winemakers and not the wine. This term refers to a group of men who pursued rhone varietals both in planting and winemaking in California instead of the more popular Cabernet and Chardonnay of the 1980’s.

    “Rhone Rangers”:
    Steve Edmunds (Edmunds St. John ) being a key member.
    Randall Grahm of Bonny Doon.
    Bob Lindquist of Qupe.
    Jim Clendenen of Au Bon Climat.
    Gary Eberle of Eberle.
    Adam Tolmach of Ojai.
    Bill Crfawford of McDowell Valley Vineyards.
    Joseph Phelps of Phelps.

    The current list of “Rhone Rangers” is longer, but these are the “founding”
    members, early in the promotion and propagation of Rhone varietals in California.

    See ya’

    Joeboo Sanchez

  • t_moderne

    woohoo top 200!!! again. Wow. On a roll!

    QOTD – yes yes yes. Bonny Doon Le Cigar Volante, Beckmen’s, Qupe, Rosenblum, and others. Always thought of the Rhone Rangers as the rebel winemakers making blended wines using various of the Rhone varietals. Now it seems that any syrah based wine is called Rhone Ranger. I’m not sure if that is appropriate, even while recognizing that Syrah is one of the predominate grapes.
    anyway – good episode. Nice to see the passion.

  • t_moderne

    woohoo top 200!!! again. Wow. On a roll!

    QOTD – yes yes yes. Bonny Doon Le Cigar Volante, Beckmen’s, Qupe, Rosenblum, and others. Always thought of the Rhone Rangers as the rebel winemakers making blended wines using various of the Rhone varietals. Now it seems that any syrah based wine is called Rhone Ranger. I’m not sure if that is appropriate, even while recognizing that Syrah is one of the predominate grapes.
    anyway – good episode. Nice to see the passion.

  • Vinsant

    I have enjoyed a few Cigare Volants, but Randall is now in WA making Riesling.

  • Vinsant

    I have enjoyed a few Cigare Volants, but Randall is now in WA making Riesling.

  • Pastafari Pirate

    QOTD: not yet, I haven’t. Hope to change that soon. Caw! Caw! (sept 16)

  • Pastafari Pirate

    QOTD: not yet, I haven’t. Hope to change that soon. Caw! Caw! (sept 16)

  • TWofPasadena

    GV-

    Garretson rocks! As do numerous wines in PASO!!! Bring us more!

  • TWofPasadena

    GV-

    Garretson rocks! As do numerous wines in PASO!!! Bring us more!

  • AndrewB

    QOTD: No Gary, why would I waste time with a New World Rhone ranger that cost $15-40 when I can pick out any REAL French Rhone for what $6-$whatever amount who cares, they bring the thunder 95% of the time, I’m gonna be a bitch and only invest in old world until someone lets me taste for free a new world rhone ranger that shows me any thunder. California wines are OVER-priced and O-VER-ra-ted, except a couple pinots and we all know what happened to the price of those. Gimme a Spanish Monastrell, Hey Gary, do a MONASTRELL/JUMILLA Episode for cryin outloud! Rhone, Burgundy, Loire, Italy, thats where the thunder is folks. Old World fans! Who’s with me???

  • AndrewB

    QOTD: No Gary, why would I waste time with a New World Rhone ranger that cost $15-40 when I can pick out any REAL French Rhone for what $6-$whatever amount who cares, they bring the thunder 95% of the time, I’m gonna be a bitch and only invest in old world until someone lets me taste for free a new world rhone ranger that shows me any thunder. California wines are OVER-priced and O-VER-ra-ted, except a couple pinots and we all know what happened to the price of those. Gimme a Spanish Monastrell, Hey Gary, do a MONASTRELL/JUMILLA Episode for cryin outloud! Rhone, Burgundy, Loire, Italy, thats where the thunder is folks. Old World fans! Who’s with me???

  • ChuckD

    What wine goes good with someone backing off their prediction that the Jets will win and now expecting a loss ?!? Hope you have a good vacation.

  • ChuckD

    What wine goes good with someone backing off their prediction that the Jets will win and now expecting a loss ?!? Hope you have a good vacation.

  • AndrewB

    I’d prefer a hoppy beer any day over a Hi-C, skittles, splenda, Rasberry Punch wine beverage any day, but that’s me.

  • AndrewB

    I’d prefer a hoppy beer any day over a Hi-C, skittles, splenda, Rasberry Punch wine beverage any day, but that’s me.

  • TROC

    Thanks for the honest Fruit Bomb review. I drink them now and then, but a memory they will never be. If I want Rhone style wine, I go buy a French one, Guigal is alway good.

  • mikeyrad

    QOTD: So why should I buy a “Rhone Ranger” when I can buy the real thing at a similar price point?

  • TROC

    Thanks for the honest Fruit Bomb review. I drink them now and then, but a memory they will never be. If I want Rhone style wine, I go buy a French one, Guigal is alway good.

  • mikeyrad

    QOTD: So why should I buy a “Rhone Ranger” when I can buy the real thing at a similar price point?

  • Rhone Rangers? Thackrey, Thackrey, Thackrey. Who else blends 15 varietals so profoundly

  • Rhone Rangers? Thackrey, Thackrey, Thackrey. Who else blends 15 varietals so profoundly

  • vivaitalia

    I much prefer the GSM’s from Australia. You can get some stellar wines for great prices there. Most of the Rhone blends i’ve had from Cali have ended up smelling like bacon or some other meat that’s been left out for a few days. I’ve really been digging Vaqueras. There are some great values to be had there. They also offer a great balance of old vs. new world flavors. Much love for taping for us all week gary, the amount of time you invest in WLTV and emails is incredible.

  • vivaitalia

    I much prefer the GSM’s from Australia. You can get some stellar wines for great prices there. Most of the Rhone blends i’ve had from Cali have ended up smelling like bacon or some other meat that’s been left out for a few days. I’ve really been digging Vaqueras. There are some great values to be had there. They also offer a great balance of old vs. new world flavors. Much love for taping for us all week gary, the amount of time you invest in WLTV and emails is incredible.

  • QOTD: I like L’Adventure and Saxum. I like Garretson too but it seems his wines are not very consistent.

  • QOTD: I like L’Adventure and Saxum. I like Garretson too but it seems his wines are not very consistent.

  • Robin C.

    That must be Randall Graham’s Rhone Ranger mask behind Gary. Last I heard, Randall Graham sold his Big House label and moved to the Rhone to do that organic farming where you bury cow’s horns by the light of the full moon, and then pick your grapes. And everyone was worried that he was going to make a joke of the biodynamic organic (or whatever it’s called) approach. I thought it was supposed to be something of a joke. Wouldn’t it be fun for the Vayniacs to have a French connection – those who would like to could harvest like Druids in the dark. I’ll bet that Randall could be talked into it, but face-to-face, real-time, not by Iphone or fax. Good excuse for a French vacation.

    QOTD: we don’t have any Rhones at home. We’re working on drinking down the cabs. I like wines with grenache or granacha but I feel a little intimidated when I read a list of blends that I’m not familiar enough with to know what the individual taste is of each and every grape. I never order rhones at restaurants because the server never can tell me anything reassuring about them and I don’t want to get stuck with an overpriced boring wine. That said, I’ll try a Rhone (French if possible) the next time I go out, but it will be you-know-who’s fault if it’s not a success. (Jut kidding. I don’t hold grudges.).

  • Robin C.

    That must be Randall Graham’s Rhone Ranger mask behind Gary. Last I heard, Randall Graham sold his Big House label and moved to the Rhone to do that organic farming where you bury cow’s horns by the light of the full moon, and then pick your grapes. And everyone was worried that he was going to make a joke of the biodynamic organic (or whatever it’s called) approach. I thought it was supposed to be something of a joke. Wouldn’t it be fun for the Vayniacs to have a French connection – those who would like to could harvest like Druids in the dark. I’ll bet that Randall could be talked into it, but face-to-face, real-time, not by Iphone or fax. Good excuse for a French vacation.

    QOTD: we don’t have any Rhones at home. We’re working on drinking down the cabs. I like wines with grenache or granacha but I feel a little intimidated when I read a list of blends that I’m not familiar enough with to know what the individual taste is of each and every grape. I never order rhones at restaurants because the server never can tell me anything reassuring about them and I don’t want to get stuck with an overpriced boring wine. That said, I’ll try a Rhone (French if possible) the next time I go out, but it will be you-know-who’s fault if it’s not a success. (Jut kidding. I don’t hold grudges.).

  • jason

    I am a big fan of both sides of the rhone, north and south. north being 100% syrah and the south being CDP can be any of the 13 grapes. these seem like a buffet style wine. it is the thing about american cooking too, it takes from everything and puts it together the way it wants. sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. maybe ranger is the key word here.
    i am going to have to search some out here. the Beckman sounds good. i am really not into the Technicolor fruit though.
    thanks for the show. good and informative. is anybody making a 100% syrah or a little 90% + some of that beautiful white wine?
    QOTD: no “Rhone Rangers” in my cellar and none that i know of at the resto, but i have plenty of “rhone” wines… CDP, gigondas, vaqueryas, hermitage, crozes – hermitage, st. joseph waiting on the side.

  • I am a big fan of both sides of the rhone, north and south. north being 100% syrah and the south being CDP can be any of the 13 grapes. these seem like a buffet style wine. it is the thing about american cooking too, it takes from everything and puts it together the way it wants. sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. maybe ranger is the key word here.
    i am going to have to search some out here. the Beckman sounds good. i am really not into the Technicolor fruit though.
    thanks for the show. good and informative. is anybody making a 100% syrah or a little 90% + some of that beautiful white wine?
    QOTD: no “Rhone Rangers” in my cellar and none that i know of at the resto, but i have plenty of “rhone” wines… CDP, gigondas, vaqueryas, hermitage, crozes – hermitage, st. joseph waiting on the side.

  • Mike H

    QOTD McCrea baby from Washington state. Doug McCrea is making some killer Rhone wines like Rousanne, Viognier, Mourvedre wow. Great wines to seek out.
    Mike

  • Mike H

    QOTD McCrea baby from Washington state. Doug McCrea is making some killer Rhone wines like Rousanne, Viognier, Mourvedre wow. Great wines to seek out.
    Mike

  • Travis G. Snyder

    You are such the Darth Vader of the fruit bomb. DIE! DIE! DIE! evil one. I still kind a like your opinion though, cuz I hear it, yo.

  • You are such the Darth Vader of the fruit bomb. DIE! DIE! DIE! evil one. I still kind a like your opinion though, cuz I hear it, yo.

  • OldVinesJim

    QOTD: Cline is one of my favorite producers and they are one of the original (OG!) Rhone Rangers.
    – I love their Ancient Vines Mourvedre every year, which has a great mint/eucalyptus quality on top of dark fruit and dark chocolate.
    – They use to release another Mourvedre called Small Berry Reserve that I also liked but I haven’t seen it in a while.
    – On my last visit, I really dug their Los Carneros Syrah (smoky woodland aromas, muscular fruit).
    – They also produce a Carignane that I’ve liked.
    – And a GSM they call Cashmere (though I think it’s actually an MSG if you’re trying to represent the grape proportions accurately). It’s got nice mouthfeel and fruit, but doesn’t seem very Rhone to me.
    – They do Rhone whites too – a Viognier and a Rousanne – but I haven’t been a big fan of these.

    Check them out. They are New World, but not over the top in my opinion.

  • OldVinesJim

    QOTD: Cline is one of my favorite producers and they are one of the original (OG!) Rhone Rangers.
    – I love their Ancient Vines Mourvedre every year, which has a great mint/eucalyptus quality on top of dark fruit and dark chocolate.
    – They use to release another Mourvedre called Small Berry Reserve that I also liked but I haven’t seen it in a while.
    – On my last visit, I really dug their Los Carneros Syrah (smoky woodland aromas, muscular fruit).
    – They also produce a Carignane that I’ve liked.
    – And a GSM they call Cashmere (though I think it’s actually an MSG if you’re trying to represent the grape proportions accurately). It’s got nice mouthfeel and fruit, but doesn’t seem very Rhone to me.
    – They do Rhone whites too – a Viognier and a Rousanne – but I haven’t been a big fan of these.

    Check them out. They are New World, but not over the top in my opinion.

  • Dang. When I saw that Beckmen bottle, I nearly went through the roof. For a minute, I hoped it meant that you’d gotten more of their 2004 Block 6 Syrah in stock. But I quickly realized it was an entirely different Beckmen wine. Oh well.

    QOTD: Dude, I live more than 200 miles from civilization. Where do you think I’m going to find a Rhone Ranger around here?

  • Dang. When I saw that Beckmen bottle, I nearly went through the roof. For a minute, I hoped it meant that you’d gotten more of their 2004 Block 6 Syrah in stock. But I quickly realized it was an entirely different Beckmen wine. Oh well.

    QOTD: Dude, I live more than 200 miles from civilization. Where do you think I’m going to find a Rhone Ranger around here?

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: I’ve had some pretty good real (Cote du) Rhone wines, and one Australian GSM (that was WAY too fruit driven without the tannin structure to back it up), but I have yet to try a Cali Rhone blend. I clearly have my work cut out for me…the exploration never ends.

  • YoungDave

    QOTD: I’ve had some pretty good real (Cote du) Rhone wines, and one Australian GSM (that was WAY too fruit driven without the tannin structure to back it up), but I have yet to try a Cali Rhone blend. I clearly have my work cut out for me…the exploration never ends.

  • bpsancho

    How bouts any vintage of McCrea Cuvee Orleans out of Washington.
    Aside from being some of the nicest people int the bizz, they make kick
    ass Rhone wines. Put that in your big olde glass and drink it.

  • bpsancho

    How bouts any vintage of McCrea Cuvee Orleans out of Washington.
    Aside from being some of the nicest people int the bizz, they make kick
    ass Rhone wines. Put that in your big olde glass and drink it.

  • Good EP Gary!”….licorice on steriods” that’s a rich one.

    QOTD: Had a bottle of the 2004 Joseph Phelps Le Mistral earlier this summer. Good full mouthfeel, ripe tannins, some length. There is too much vanilla (oak critter) covering blackberry and raspberry flavors though. To me, it is NOT a good value since it’s priced in the mid-thirties.

  • Good EP Gary!”….licorice on steriods” that’s a rich one.

    QOTD: Had a bottle of the 2004 Joseph Phelps Le Mistral earlier this summer. Good full mouthfeel, ripe tannins, some length. There is too much vanilla (oak critter) covering blackberry and raspberry flavors though. To me, it is NOT a good value since it’s priced in the mid-thirties.

  • MetalDave

    QOTD:

    I had the Qupe Syrah a couple of days ago that I purchased in Dublin. I though it was very nice and reminded of some Crozes-Hermitage that I had. It wasn’t rediculously fruity, oaky or alcoholic. It went perfectly with our roast chicken dinner. I pain â?¬22 for it which I felt was good because it was better than some of the cheaper Crozes that I’ve had. Plus I was very happy to find any decent American wine in Ireland – a true scarcity.

    Many months ago, when I last visited home, I had a rhone blend from Stags’ Leap. I don’t remember what it was called, only that it cost about $45. I don’t know if it was because I was tasting several fruit bombs that night, but I remember it being very good indeed. It was definately New World, but certainly not an Old-World-Fan-Leave-the-Room wine in any sense. It was expensive, but considering how much better it was than a Rosenblum Petite Syrah I had, worth it on the occasion. I have a Stags’ Leap Petite Syrah that a friend brought me from Detroit that I will be trying soon.

  • MetalDave

    QOTD:

    I had the Qupe Syrah a couple of days ago that I purchased in Dublin. I though it was very nice and reminded of some Crozes-Hermitage that I had. It wasn’t rediculously fruity, oaky or alcoholic. It went perfectly with our roast chicken dinner. I pain â?¬22 for it which I felt was good because it was better than some of the cheaper Crozes that I’ve had. Plus I was very happy to find any decent American wine in Ireland – a true scarcity.

    Many months ago, when I last visited home, I had a rhone blend from Stags’ Leap. I don’t remember what it was called, only that it cost about $45. I don’t know if it was because I was tasting several fruit bombs that night, but I remember it being very good indeed. It was definately New World, but certainly not an Old-World-Fan-Leave-the-Room wine in any sense. It was expensive, but considering how much better it was than a Rosenblum Petite Syrah I had, worth it on the occasion. I have a Stags’ Leap Petite Syrah that a friend brought me from Detroit that I will be trying soon.

  • Dr. Dan

    The only Rhone Ranger that I’ve had, I think, is the Adelaida Cellars Rhone Style Red, which several of us reviewed on Cork’d (http://corkd.com/wine/view/1829-Adelaida_2003_Rh_ne_Style). Again, Gary, I would suggest that you give their wines a try. Adelaida has four labels: Schoolhouse (mutt wine, 82-87 mostly), SLO (early maturity, 86-90), Adelaida (standard label, 88-92), and Reserve (just what it says, 90+). adelaida.com.

  • Dr. Dan

    The only Rhone Ranger that I’ve had, I think, is the Adelaida Cellars Rhone Style Red, which several of us reviewed on Cork’d (http://corkd.com/wine/view/1829-Adelaida_2003_Rh_ne_Style). Again, Gary, I would suggest that you give their wines a try. Adelaida has four labels: Schoolhouse (mutt wine, 82-87 mostly), SLO (early maturity, 86-90), Adelaida (standard label, 88-92), and Reserve (just what it says, 90+). adelaida.com.

  • MetalDave

    I’m with you AndyB!

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