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EP 386 Wild White Wines

Gary Vaynerchuk always says that white wines are dissed and deserve so much more credit for what they bring to the table! Gary today attacks some of the cooler whites in the shop!

Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Venge Family Bianco SpettroNapa Other White Wine
2006 Palmina Tocai FriulanoOther California White Wine
2006 St. Cosme Cotes Du Rhone BlancCotes du Rhone Blanc

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Cheese mentioned in todays episode.

  • Tomme Au Marc Jura Brandy

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John__J

qotd: U.S. wine laws, I can't figure out what the hell is wrong with the legislator's when it comes to shipping, especially in the 13 states where it's completely prohibited. Although one problem I saw in MD when I testified this past year before the sub-committee was that some representatives literally slept during the hearing right in front of people, while others would use their cell phone or get up and just walk out of the room missing entire testimonies!

Great episode Gary!
I'm always amused when I tell someone or hear someone find out there's some white wines out there that will age 100+ years, and they show disbelief.
I've had Cotes Du Rhone reds, white, and rose.
I've had Venge's Scouts Honor before, I had to bring it in to taste when I saw it was a blend of petite sirah, charbono, and zin. A good wine but a little overpriced I thought. I'd love to see a petite sirah, charbono, petite verdot blend.

Tags: Blanc, california, cheese, Cotes Du Rhone, food-friendly, napa, review, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • ceewats

    How the blending of just a small amount of one grape can change the wine completely and I’ll either enjoy it more less or not at all..

  • Taylor

    Another great show would love to try a white cotes du rhone
    QOTD Why some wine that really isn’t too good can be priced so much higher than decent to good bottle and no one seems to feel bad about ripping you off

  • dank

    yeaaaaaaaaaah! Partay!haha.

    Q: most confusing thing about wine?
    A: my inability to drink all of it!

  • dank

    yeaaaaaaaaaah! Partay!haha.

    Q: most confusing thing about wine?
    A: my inability to drink all of it!

  • dcseven

    Virginia Wine Expo ~ Virginiaâ??s Premier Trade and Consumer Wine Event of the Year!
    Greater Richmond Convention Center in Richmond, Va.
    Feb 16, 2008 Trade Only from 11-1pm, Open to Public for Grand Tasting from 1-7pm
    Feb 17, 2008 Trade Only from 12-1pm, Open to Public for Grand Tasting from 1-6pm
    VirginiaWineExpo.com. Tickets can be purchased for $25 advance or $35 at the door. Weekend passes are available in advance. A portion of the proceeds benefits Massey Cancer Center.

  • dcseven

    Virginia Wine Expo ~ Virginiaâ??s Premier Trade and Consumer Wine Event of the Year!
    Greater Richmond Convention Center in Richmond, Va.
    Feb 16, 2008 Trade Only from 11-1pm, Open to Public for Grand Tasting from 1-7pm
    Feb 17, 2008 Trade Only from 12-1pm, Open to Public for Grand Tasting from 1-6pm
    VirginiaWineExpo.com. Tickets can be purchased for $25 advance or $35 at the door. Weekend passes are available in advance. A portion of the proceeds benefits Massey Cancer Center.

  • purplejuicebruce

    XLNT show even if I don’t much care for white wines although
    this year I have started to drink Viogner from time to time.
    QOTD…the only thing that really confuses me is the whole
    marketing thing why it is more expensive in some states why
    wine can’t be shipped to some states. This is the part of the wine world that needs changing for sure.

  • purplejuicebruce

    XLNT show even if I don’t much care for white wines although
    this year I have started to drink Viogner from time to time.
    QOTD…the only thing that really confuses me is the whole
    marketing thing why it is more expensive in some states why
    wine can’t be shipped to some states. This is the part of the wine world that needs changing for sure.

  • waibeans

    3/22 huh?! I hope its insane, but I have one measly little question for ya:

    Where are all the thousands of vayniacs going to PARK?!!!!!

    LOL.. good luck dude 😉

  • Dr T from N. Carolina

    Yes, I’ve had C-du Rhone blancs, and they are ok . . . for white wine. sorry, but 90 out of a 100 times, I prefer red, and 8 of the other 10 times I prefer pink.

    Still, for that 1 or 2 times, it’s good to be reminded what’s out there.

    “Y”

  • waibeans

    3/22 huh?! I hope its insane, but I have one measly little question for ya:

    Where are all the thousands of vayniacs going to PARK?!!!!!

    LOL.. good luck dude 😉

  • Dr T from N. Carolina

    Yes, I’ve had C-du Rhone blancs, and they are ok . . . for white wine. sorry, but 90 out of a 100 times, I prefer red, and 8 of the other 10 times I prefer pink.

    Still, for that 1 or 2 times, it’s good to be reminded what’s out there.

    “Y”

  • luvgrapesqueezings

    Good ep GV! I love white rhones, but usually stores around here carry one or two. Some might have Condrieu and White CNdP. The most confusing wine thing in my life right now is trying to learn how to read Greek wine labels that have limited English or roman alphabet letters on them.

  • luvgrapesqueezings

    Good ep GV! I love white rhones, but usually stores around here carry one or two. Some might have Condrieu and White CNdP. The most confusing wine thing in my life right now is trying to learn how to read Greek wine labels that have limited English or roman alphabet letters on them.

  • rmgroves

    Gary: Is that a new table you have here? Xmas present or WLTV capital improvement plan?

  • rmgroves

    Gary: Is that a new table you have here? Xmas present or WLTV capital improvement plan?

  • jonomck

    I get confused on regions/variatals/vinyard/area/village/style….etc…….

    Guess i just gotta keep on drinkin’ 😉

  • jonomck

    I get confused on regions/variatals/vinyard/area/village/style….etc…….

    Guess i just gotta keep on drinkin’ 😉

  • Palmer

    QOTD: why people still buy crappy California chardonnay at the grocery store.

  • Palmer

    QOTD: why people still buy crappy California chardonnay at the grocery store.

  • mbannon

    QOD – All of Southern France still confuses the hell out of me. So many appellations, grapes, styles, etc. Mind boggling.

  • mbannon

    QOD – All of Southern France still confuses the hell out of me. So many appellations, grapes, styles, etc. Mind boggling.

  • Sharon

    This is a great ep for me as I enjoy the white varietals that aren’t oaked. In fact, I decided to open the “Black Chook” VMR which is very nice and damn… if it doesn’t have that rubbery component as well… I like it though, lots to recommend it, reminds me of that d’Arenberg Hermit Crab (which is an Australian Viognier Marsanne, no Roussanne though). I knew it had some strange aromatic that I couldn’t identify and wouldn’t have thought ‘rubber ball’ in a million years. Huh! Need to train my palate, yeah.
    QOTD: Well, I’m confused by French labels in general, but besides that… some red wines give me a headache and some don’t … would like to know the magic ingredient to avoid. Can drink lots o port but 2 sips of Malbec give me a day-long headache (next day) … weird.

  • Sharon

    This is a great ep for me as I enjoy the white varietals that aren’t oaked. In fact, I decided to open the “Black Chook” VMR which is very nice and damn… if it doesn’t have that rubbery component as well… I like it though, lots to recommend it, reminds me of that d’Arenberg Hermit Crab (which is an Australian Viognier Marsanne, no Roussanne though). I knew it had some strange aromatic that I couldn’t identify and wouldn’t have thought ‘rubber ball’ in a million years. Huh! Need to train my palate, yeah.
    QOTD: Well, I’m confused by French labels in general, but besides that… some red wines give me a headache and some don’t … would like to know the magic ingredient to avoid. Can drink lots o port but 2 sips of Malbec give me a day-long headache (next day) … weird.

  • cma82

    Gary…I drink white Rhones!

    QOTD: A big part of Italy still gets me, although I’m trying to get better. All those native grapes can get confusing!

  • Jeff R

    QOTD:As someone new to wine, what to try next is confusing.

  • cma82

    Gary…I drink white Rhones!

    QOTD: A big part of Italy still gets me, although I’m trying to get better. All those native grapes can get confusing!

  • Jeff R

    QOTD:As someone new to wine, what to try next is confusing.

  • jason

    Bravo, diggin the CDR blanc.saint cosme makes great wine. their CDR rouge is great. i have not had the blanc. i have a bottle of the gigondas 04 in my cellar. everyone is saying that 06 could be better than 05 in the southern rhone… especially the whites. domaine janesse also makes a great CDR blanc.

    QOTD: that is a tough thing. at first, it was all really confusing except that it was good. i was in the weeds with burgundy, but it is getting better. it just takes time…. reading, asking but most importantly tasting!
    i guess the most confusing thing now i when i go back to the states and trying to navigate through the US wines. usually it is the other way with the french wines. oh well.

  • Bravo, diggin the CDR blanc.saint cosme makes great wine. their CDR rouge is great. i have not had the blanc. i have a bottle of the gigondas 04 in my cellar. everyone is saying that 06 could be better than 05 in the southern rhone… especially the whites. domaine janesse also makes a great CDR blanc.

    QOTD: that is a tough thing. at first, it was all really confusing except that it was good. i was in the weeds with burgundy, but it is getting better. it just takes time…. reading, asking but most importantly tasting!
    i guess the most confusing thing now i when i go back to the states and trying to navigate through the US wines. usually it is the other way with the french wines. oh well.

  • Annapolitan

    [F]3 + pv -(Pzzzzz)/CKC > 1

  • Annapolitan

    [F]3 + pv -(Pzzzzz)/CKC > 1

  • Confusing? Erm. The global homogenization of the wine. Why do you want your wine to taste just like your neighbors, or like your friend across the globe? Stand out; be weird.

  • Confusing? Erm. The global homogenization of the wine. Why do you want your wine to taste just like your neighbors, or like your friend across the globe? Stand out; be weird.

  • Gary, you are right, I have not had a Cote du Rhone blanc (however, does a Rhone wine made from Semillon count?)

    It’s interesting that you tasted the Tocai Friulano today because tomorrow on Wine Blogging Wednesday the theme is the Friuli-Venezia Giulia!

    QOTD: Two things: How do people taste and smell all that stuff in wine AND
    How is it possible for wine makers to make a living?

  • Gary, you are right, I have not had a Cote du Rhone blanc (however, does a Rhone wine made from Semillon count?)

    It’s interesting that you tasted the Tocai Friulano today because tomorrow on Wine Blogging Wednesday the theme is the Friuli-Venezia Giulia!

    QOTD: Two things: How do people taste and smell all that stuff in wine AND
    How is it possible for wine makers to make a living?

  • QOTD: I still find it confusing breaking apart the flavor of wines in my mouth or at least describing them. I know this is something that develops over time with more and more wines you drink. But i still can’t taste chocolate or coffee in wines that carry that flavor. My vocab for wine is fairly simple.

    Cheers!
    – Rick

  • sharon

    I really don’t mind the white wines. It’s just that some…quite a few… give me a monster migraine and that I don’t like. And that is exactly what confuses me about wine (along with a million other things).

  • QOTD: I still find it confusing breaking apart the flavor of wines in my mouth or at least describing them. I know this is something that develops over time with more and more wines you drink. But i still can’t taste chocolate or coffee in wines that carry that flavor. My vocab for wine is fairly simple.

    Cheers!
    – Rick

  • sharon

    I really don’t mind the white wines. It’s just that some…quite a few… give me a monster migraine and that I don’t like. And that is exactly what confuses me about wine (along with a million other things).

  • Nickyb85

    CKC in the house.

    QOTD: The most confusing thing about wine is why don’t more of my friends drink it… oh that and all the different varieties, and figuring out what I like and dislike.

  • Nickyb85

    CKC in the house.

    QOTD: The most confusing thing about wine is why don’t more of my friends drink it… oh that and all the different varieties, and figuring out what I like and dislike.

  • amgryger

    QOTD: Being able to estimate if and for how long a wine will age.

  • amgryger

    QOTD: Being able to estimate if and for how long a wine will age.

  • Kevin Ko-val-chik

    QOTD: Price.

  • Kevin Ko-val-chik

    QOTD: Price.

  • QOTD: I get confused with everything..Specifically the difference between a Merlot, Cabernet, chardonnay, Syrah vs Shyraz, and other wines. I think it’s the actual grape and where they are from is what I don’t know about. I found the dessert wines and with a little help from the forums like SS, Julius, and Rich….thanks guys!

  • QOTD: I get confused with everything..Specifically the difference between a Merlot, Cabernet, chardonnay, Syrah vs Shyraz, and other wines. I think it’s the actual grape and where they are from is what I don’t know about. I found the dessert wines and with a little help from the forums like SS, Julius, and Rich….thanks guys!

  • E

    I think I had more whites than reds this weekend: a decent enough Sancerre (a little thin, but fragrant and happy all the same) and a weird Riesling from Slovakia that went all over the place the first night, but actually got better the longer I left it in the fridge.

    QOD: while we’re on the subject then: why is it that white Rhones (whether true or California) always seem better in theory than in practice? I mean, like you pointed out: the nose and the texture are usually nice enough, all the wax and viscosity and honey and flowers and whatnot.

    But when I actually get around to tasting/drinking the thing, there’s never enough acid and it just comes off like flabby, alcoholic fruit cocktail and not really something I want to mess with again any time soon.

    What’s up with that?

  • E

    I think I had more whites than reds this weekend: a decent enough Sancerre (a little thin, but fragrant and happy all the same) and a weird Riesling from Slovakia that went all over the place the first night, but actually got better the longer I left it in the fridge.

    QOD: while we’re on the subject then: why is it that white Rhones (whether true or California) always seem better in theory than in practice? I mean, like you pointed out: the nose and the texture are usually nice enough, all the wax and viscosity and honey and flowers and whatnot.

    But when I actually get around to tasting/drinking the thing, there’s never enough acid and it just comes off like flabby, alcoholic fruit cocktail and not really something I want to mess with again any time soon.

    What’s up with that?

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