2005 Bordeaux Talk On The Heels Of The New Wine Spectator

2005 Bordeaux Talk On The Heels Of The New Wine Spectator – Episode #411

February 19, 2008

Wine Spectators new 2005 bordeaux issue inspires this show of WLTV. Gary yaps about the wines and the vintage and the fact that tomorrow is the 2 year anniversary of this little show.

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“Great show. Nice to get another 2005 update from you. If I remember …” by Dessert Wine Nerd
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Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Chateau Luchey Halde BlancGraves/Pessac-Leognan
2005 Chateau Les Secrets De CardinaleSt Emilion

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February 19, 2008

Vinsant
QOTD: nada
February 19, 2008

Nathan L
QOTD: I just started putting my collection together couple years ago but I bought more in 05 Bordeaux than I have in any other wine category before. I’m a grad student so I don’t have a lot of money but i’ve bought a bottle of clos l’eglise (pomerol), a couple bottles of Beseajour Duffua, a couple bottles of Pontet Canet, and a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste. Thats a lot for me but I wish I could buy more and now times about up
February 19, 2008

Justin Viger
I am not really in a position to be able to buy and keep any wine, but I really hope my dad has bought some 2005 bordeaux cos that might mean I will be able to try them in the coming years.

As for the second question of the day I am watching from Canada, YA!
February 19, 2008

Nathan
Im not rolling deep enough in the wine world yet to have a real stock of anything, lol. As of now, I have about 5 wines from HEB sitting in my 10 dollar wine rack under my hot then cold kitchen window. I am changing the wine world, GV.
February 19, 2008

organicmexican
GV-We bought 4 bottles of the ‘05 Bordeaux’s. Our local wine shop was going to have a Bordeaux tasting so we were waiting for that to buy more but they haven’t set one up yet. We are just so confused on how to pick them. All we do it look at the score and notes but its so hard to decide. I feel so shallow buying solely on that. We decided to buy the four bottles from different vineyards and then go back and buy the ones we like, but that is already a $200 investment! Please help us pick or better yet can you put a 6-pack of wines together for sale at the Wine Library website? Doesn’t that sound great? Basically its just difficult to pick a bottle of Chateau X over Chateau Y when there are 20 other Chateaus you never heard of in the shop. PLEASE HELP!
February 19, 2008

laposte
QOTD:
I think my 2005 Bordeaux position is; Too much when I was buying, not enough when I will be drinking.
February 19, 2008

mateo
Wow… I haven’t had a single bordeaux, and honestly, I won’t be able to afford any of the ‘05! Plus, I don’t have a cellar to keep wine in Oh well, maybe 2010 will be another great vintage, and I’ll get in on that!
February 19, 2008

Brandon T.
Tonight, to celebrate Obama’s victory, me and some buddies made a jungle juice with two bottles of 2002 Cheval Blanc, two bottles of 2000 Pavie, a bottle of 1996 Mouton Rothschild, a bottle of 2004 Hommage a Jacques Perrin, two bottles of 2002 Caymus S.S., a magnum of 1983 Rieussec, some Lagavulin, a bottle of Grand Marnier CuvÃ©e Speciale Cent Cinquantenaire, Martinelli apple juice, Belvedere vodka, fresh squeezed lime juice, some old Argentinian peach schnapps, and a half bottle of Hennessy Paradis. Very tasty, but… can’t wait for those 2005’s to be released!
February 19, 2008

Keith
My inventory:

2 bottles of New to Wine and WLTV and didn’t get your early tips
1 mag of “did he say buy Bordeaux or Burgundy?” when I’m at the store
1 bottle of “I could get 1 bottle of 92 pt from that place that starts with
a B, or 3 bottles of 90 pt from Washington for same price…that’s like
270 pts to 92!”
1 case of “I thought Merlot was unexciting”…wrong!
3 bottles of “You’re going to keep a bunch of glass bottles lying around
where?!?” from the missus.

So all I have to savor is some internet videos of GV (and WS) raving about it. But hey, I’m still digging a lot of great wine out there…the best advice is to keep trying new things.
February 19, 2008

NathanN
QOTD: Never bought any futures before but I have 3 of the Valrose and 3 of the Haut Bergery. Can’t wait to give them a taste. That will be the next question when will they be ready to pot 3yrs, 10yrs, 20yrs?
February 19, 2008

Graziella
2005 Bordeaux…haven’t had any yet, but since you mentioned it, I will seek it out for sure!

I’m excited for tomorrow’s show!…so what’s gonna happen, huh huh huh?
February 19, 2008

Jaybird
I am getting really depressed for not buying more, but I was so turned off by the price increase. I know it is an unbelievable vintage but I also can’t wait 10-15 years to drink them. I spent to much on buccella, Bond, Shafer, Levy & McClellan….I did pick up some Pavie, Sansonnet, Cheval Brun. But that little bit won’t last long.
February 19, 2008

KVolk
SQOTD:Norman OK
QOTD:I never heard of 2005 Bordeaux until Nov 07 so my position is weak to say the least.

GV changing the opening makes some sense but NEVER touch the sign off it’s what you are about. The idea of an A-E-A is what keeps me watching because I had no concept of that side of wine until I began watching the Thunder show….I think it should be a T-shirt……..
February 19, 2008

shaun
Hey man great show! funny thing right before I saw this episode I had bought a Mouton Cadat 2005 Bordeaux and had foolishly opened it. Unfortunately I should have sat on it because it really was too much for this palate.
February 19, 2008

pete c
QOTD- not a big Bordeaux fan. I don’t know how a viewer could be upset at a recommendation of yours that they tried and didn’t like. After all, palates differ. The value here is having one’s mind opened to trying different wines and increasing one’s wine knowledge. Thanks, GV, for giving us this opportunity every night without asking for much in return except for leaving a comment.
February 19, 2008

cpd
QOTD: Around 3+ cases (mixed). Will probably kick myself in 10 years for not ponying up more…
February 19, 2008

Ben F
Yo GV… Don’t sweat the guy who doesn’t understand the Thunder Show.. If someone not ever going to watch again becasue his pal did not match with yours… well they just don’t get it…
QOTD: I am going to try to find an 05 in PA, if i can find one of the ones you have suggested i am buying…
February 19, 2008

HawkeyeOeno
I bought four bottles on pre-sale around 35 dollars or so each. this is a pretty big deal for me being 26 and not having a ton of extra to put into my wine obsession. I figure if my blue collar uncle can hold onto a bottle of port from 1941 i can hold on to a few bottles of 05 bordeaux.

By the way i was watching today’s episode at work late after most people had gone home, the guy next to me saw the show and asked about about winelibrary. he’s the first person from des moines i know in person that has seen the show….so there are two of us in the post CKC crowd in Des moines, we’re growing!
February 19, 2008

Grapedigger
Canada loves you GV…Keep it up man!
I started hunting for some of 05 Bordeaux that can be afforded (especially when paying Canadian prices)!! Cheers
February 19, 2008

Fraser Gould
I’m in Tokyo, where EVERYTHING is Bordeaux…I think most wine shops here dedicate almost half of their shelf space to the stuff. Still pretty easy to find 2005’s here, but I don’t really know what I should be looking for. Should be doing my homework, I guess.
February 19, 2008

amgryger
QOTD: I graduated from college last May and was essentially broke, but used gift money that I recieved to put together a mixed case of Haut Brisson, Fiezual Rouge, Pontac Lynch Quintessence, and Valrose Cuvee Alienor.
February 19, 2008

Ben N.
QOTD: Chateau Haut Bergey Rouge 2005, Chateau Caronne Sainte Gemme 2005, Chateau De La Cour D’argent 2005 That was all I could afford. And waiting for delivery.
February 19, 2008

GR8wine
Hey GV,
Beautiful color on that white Bordeaux, too bad you didn’t give us a closeup look. I think in the past you would’ve likened it to the goldilocks of Hulk Hogan.
White Bordeaux is great but it’s so hard to find a thunderous but affordable example. The one in the Christmas pack was good but do you have a few others up your sleeve?
QOTD: nothing — cash flow situation just didn’t allow it.
February 19, 2008

Len
GV
Another very good episode… very interesting, don’t have much in French wines, for the reason — one like you said..the price, the higher the rating with the most popularity, through the roof….the other problem is when is the proper time to drink it which is usually 10+ years or more. Don’t want the wine to out live me but will give both the white bordeaux Luchey Halde a try and cellar the Ch. Les Secrets if still available.

Thanks again for answering my e-mail ( the question was on my wine cellar vs wines )

Lurker Len
February 19, 2008

DHerbie
QOTD – you convinced me early on to jump into the 2005 vintage. I don’t role too deep so I kept my purchases to the sub ~30 crowd, things like Caronne Ste Gemme, Haut-Bergey and that Sansonnet you were pushing. As I am young and still live in an apartment (sans good storage) I have a plan to place this deep in my parent’s basement, to be forgotten for 10 years…maybe…