EP 290 Does The Color of a Wine Have a Huge Impact on Quality or Age?

A fantastic website I often visit did an interesting article on the color of wine that has gotten a lot of attention on the web so I am here to address it!

Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Domaine Barat Chablis FourneauxChablis
2004 Cascina Morassino Langhe NebbioloNebbiolo d’Alba
2005 Clayhouse Syrah Paso RoblesOther California Syrah/Shiraz
1981 Lopez De Heredia Bosconia Gran ReservaRioja
1996 Clarendon Hills SyrahAustralian Shiraz/Syrah

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Tags: Australian, california, Chablis, red, review, Rioja, shiraz, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • Thanks for that daily needed dose of WLTV Gary. And a really lovely Intro. I think the “colour thing” is overrated. Colour sure gives some good information and is part of the analysis, but it’s just the less important part for me..
    QOTD: No, won’t decide on one only 😉

  • Thanks for that daily needed dose of WLTV Gary. And a really lovely Intro. I think the “colour thing” is overrated. Colour sure gives some good information and is part of the analysis, but it’s just the less important part for me..
    QOTD: No, won’t decide on one only 😉

  • chitown_wino

    QOTD- Midnight blue and Orange, GO BEARS!

    As if on cue, I recieved my Iron Horse wine club shipment today. Amoung the five bottles, an unoaked Chardonnay.

    We’ll see..

  • chitown_wino

    QOTD- Midnight blue and Orange, GO BEARS!

    As if on cue, I recieved my Iron Horse wine club shipment today. Amoung the five bottles, an unoaked Chardonnay.

    We’ll see..

  • BruceP

    I guess I’d say the only way color might make a difference is if you’re just comparing vintages of the same wine. Otherwise it’s comparing apples and oranges. Pretty meaningless.

    QOTD: orange

  • BruceP

    I guess I’d say the only way color might make a difference is if you’re just comparing vintages of the same wine. Otherwise it’s comparing apples and oranges. Pretty meaningless.

    QOTD: orange

  • Great intro Josh (and parents). Thanks for another quality ep GV. Over on the forums, someone had mentioned a collector with a vertical of D’yquem that spanned decades. I had seen this as well, and the evolution of color was amazing. I understand exactly what you were saying though.

    QOTD: New York Giants Blue or New York Mets Blue

  • Great intro Josh (and parents). Thanks for another quality ep GV. Over on the forums, someone had mentioned a collector with a vertical of D’yquem that spanned decades. I had seen this as well, and the evolution of color was amazing. I understand exactly what you were saying though.

    QOTD: New York Giants Blue or New York Mets Blue

  • Cam

    QOTD: Purple.

  • John J.

    Cute intro! He should get together with the kid from Will Ferrel’s Landlord video.

    QOTD: Dark Blue all the way. And burnt orange. Going to take a trip up to Santa Barbara this weekend. We’ll see how color plays into my tastings (since I’ll be lookin’ for it). Great show!

  • Cam

    QOTD: Purple.

  • John J.

    Cute intro! He should get together with the kid from Will Ferrel’s Landlord video.

    QOTD: Dark Blue all the way. And burnt orange. Going to take a trip up to Santa Barbara this weekend. We’ll see how color plays into my tastings (since I’ll be lookin’ for it). Great show!

  • Jen Loves Wine

    Hey Gary. Thanks for bring the thunder, Josh. Very nice handling of the glass — I can see you’ve had some experience. Fruit juice to wine … how big of a leap is it really? Great show – interesting topic and a nice selection of wines. It’s nice to hear the shiraz will age nicely (or at least that this test confirms it will age nicely).

    QOTD: Silver blue or gray blue.

  • Jen Loves Wine

    Hey Gary. Thanks for bring the thunder, Josh. Very nice handling of the glass — I can see you’ve had some experience. Fruit juice to wine … how big of a leap is it really? Great show – interesting topic and a nice selection of wines. It’s nice to hear the shiraz will age nicely (or at least that this test confirms it will age nicely).

    QOTD: Silver blue or gray blue.

  • Roo

    Great intro + great info = great show. Awesome job Gary.

    QOTD: It varies. Right now, a deep rich red.

  • Roo

    Great intro + great info = great show. Awesome job Gary.

    QOTD: It varies. Right now, a deep rich red.

  • QOTD: Green… all the varied hues. The color of new growth and,of course, the color of money. That was a good movie too, IMO.

  • QOTD: Green… all the varied hues. The color of new growth and,of course, the color of money. That was a good movie too, IMO.

  • Ken B.

    Gary,

    Great intro; what a cute kid. Great show Gary V.

    QOTD: CAROLINA BLUE baby!

  • Ken B.

    Gary,

    Great intro; what a cute kid. Great show Gary V.

    QOTD: CAROLINA BLUE baby!

  • QotD: green, also. 🙂

  • QotD: green, also. 🙂

  • KenP

    Jimkay, above, is exactly correct. Polymerization of pigments occur with wines over time. Sometimes the process results in deposits in the last glass of an older wine. Might be interesting to do an episode with the last pour rather than the first. Deposits in unfined and unfiltered wines, as well as pigment, might make for instructive viewing.
    Brick red is the signature of a declining wine, of course.
    I think it was the sommelier from Windows on the World, the restaurant destroyed in 9/11, who once said, and I paraphrase, ‘a red wine is ready when you can read the menu through the glass.’ The problem is the modern preference for black, opaque wines, parkerized, to be sure. The prevalence of such manipulated wines has obscured a drinker’s ability to understand the meaning of color.

    My 2 cents.

  • KenP

    Jimkay, above, is exactly correct. Polymerization of pigments occur with wines over time. Sometimes the process results in deposits in the last glass of an older wine. Might be interesting to do an episode with the last pour rather than the first. Deposits in unfined and unfiltered wines, as well as pigment, might make for instructive viewing.
    Brick red is the signature of a declining wine, of course.
    I think it was the sommelier from Windows on the World, the restaurant destroyed in 9/11, who once said, and I paraphrase, ‘a red wine is ready when you can read the menu through the glass.’ The problem is the modern preference for black, opaque wines, parkerized, to be sure. The prevalence of such manipulated wines has obscured a drinker’s ability to understand the meaning of color.

    My 2 cents.

  • wine lush

    Gary, How can you compare a 1981 Gran Reserva against a 2004 Nebbiolo d’Alba? They are completely different grapes that age differently.

    Also a California Shiraz and an Australian Shiraz have different styles of vinification and production.

    In order to prove wrong or right on your test. You will need to compare a 20 year span of the same wine from the same producer from the same region from the same grape.

    I appreciate your test, but 100% Nebbiolo ages completely different than Grenache/Tempranillo/Graciano/Mazuelo blends of Rioja. Nebbiolo d’Alba typically goes through 10-12 months of oak aging, whereas a Grand Reserva from Rioja requires 5 years of aging and a minimum of 2 years on oak and 3 in bottle, though most producers age them for much longer than that. I don’t mean to nerd it up, but I just don’t see how those two could be compared for colour purposes.

  • wine lush

    Gary, How can you compare a 1981 Gran Reserva against a 2004 Nebbiolo d’Alba? They are completely different grapes that age differently.

    Also a California Shiraz and an Australian Shiraz have different styles of vinification and production.

    In order to prove wrong or right on your test. You will need to compare a 20 year span of the same wine from the same producer from the same region from the same grape.

    I appreciate your test, but 100% Nebbiolo ages completely different than Grenache/Tempranillo/Graciano/Mazuelo blends of Rioja. Nebbiolo d’Alba typically goes through 10-12 months of oak aging, whereas a Grand Reserva from Rioja requires 5 years of aging and a minimum of 2 years on oak and 3 in bottle, though most producers age them for much longer than that. I don’t mean to nerd it up, but I just don’t see how those two could be compared for colour purposes.

  • mas

    Great episode Gary – thanks for the Clarendon and Morassino reviews – have to seek those out for sure.

    QOTD: Blue

  • mas

    Great episode Gary – thanks for the Clarendon and Morassino reviews – have to seek those out for sure.

    QOTD: Blue

  • half century

    Very educational. I can’t wait for the ‘SOUND OF WINE’ Episode!

    QOTD; The clear blue-green water between Tortola and Jost Van Dyke

  • half century

    Very educational. I can’t wait for the ‘SOUND OF WINE’ Episode!

    QOTD; The clear blue-green water between Tortola and Jost Van Dyke

  • GregO

    That’s a great video Dave! I think little Josh Canada is ready to join our wine tasting group!

    I think colour is worth noting but shouldn’t be used for anything of any significance like scoring.

  • GregO

    That’s a great video Dave! I think little Josh Canada is ready to join our wine tasting group!

    I think colour is worth noting but shouldn’t be used for anything of any significance like scoring.

  • QOTD: Purple…..I ham so excited…I am 3 bottles of the Clarendon HIlls 1996 in my cellar…think I might pop one tonight.

    Keep up the AWESOME work Gary!!!

  • QOTD: Purple…..I ham so excited…I am 3 bottles of the Clarendon HIlls 1996 in my cellar…think I might pop one tonight.

    Keep up the AWESOME work Gary!!!

  • Jennifer

    QOTD: Blue

  • Jennifer

    QOTD: Blue

  • SteveW

    TOP 65 – WOW
    Color is overrated!
    QOTD: Blue (GO SEAHAWKS)

  • SteveW

    TOP 65 – WOW
    Color is overrated!
    QOTD: Blue (GO SEAHAWKS)

  • Matty Van – Tampa,FL

    wether I like it or not…hmm its a good thing I like it

    QOD – purple

  • Matty Van – Tampa,FL

    wether I like it or not…hmm its a good thing I like it

    QOD – purple

  • JonE

    THis weekedn I am going to drink the 95′ Lopez de Heredia Rose Rioja. Its a pure shiny copper now, and I’m sure a little sherry like.

    QOTD:I’m blue, in my head and my heart. Thanks a lot George.

  • JonE

    THis weekedn I am going to drink the 95′ Lopez de Heredia Rose Rioja. Its a pure shiny copper now, and I’m sure a little sherry like.

    QOTD:I’m blue, in my head and my heart. Thanks a lot George.

  • Rob in Indy

    Too bad you didn’t have a sack of sliders to go w/ that ’75. It would have been interesting to see if the wine got better with the food or the food got better with the wine… Good show.. Can’t wait to get a bottle of the Clarendon Hills Syrah. Great show as always. GO COLTS!!

  • Rob in Indy

    Too bad you didn’t have a sack of sliders to go w/ that ’75. It would have been interesting to see if the wine got better with the food or the food got better with the wine… Good show.. Can’t wait to get a bottle of the Clarendon Hills Syrah. Great show as always. GO COLTS!!

  • Bossman

    As the bevy of doctors huddled over me at Manhattan Eye, Ear Nose and Throat as a 5yr old can atest I am utterly and completely colorblind, I also have one abnormally large iris (and you know what they say about large irides). I also have a difficult time getting anything but grape from the nose of wine.

    Do you think that’s what the wife mean when she says I have no sense?

    Thank goodness, my taste buds work reasonably well (but really what is there to compare it to? – does my definition of “lemon” equal yours?).

    Ashtray, huh? Small favors.

    I beg to differ, the world is black and white (to some of us anyway).

    QOTD: Black………….. or white……… definitely one of the two.

    My QOTD to you: are you sure about the number? By my count it’s 4918.

  • Bossman

    As the bevy of doctors huddled over me at Manhattan Eye, Ear Nose and Throat as a 5yr old can atest I am utterly and completely colorblind, I also have one abnormally large iris (and you know what they say about large irides). I also have a difficult time getting anything but grape from the nose of wine.

    Do you think that’s what the wife mean when she says I have no sense?

    Thank goodness, my taste buds work reasonably well (but really what is there to compare it to? – does my definition of “lemon” equal yours?).

    Ashtray, huh? Small favors.

    I beg to differ, the world is black and white (to some of us anyway).

    QOTD: Black………….. or white……… definitely one of the two.

    My QOTD to you: are you sure about the number? By my count it’s 4918.

  • Ryan

    QOTD: Navy

  • Ryan

    QOTD: Navy

  • Hans

    QOTD: blue.

  • Hans

    QOTD: blue.

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