EP 629 Talking Biodynamics with Nicolas Joly – Part II

Gary Vaynerchuk and Nicolas Joly continue their discussion about wine philosophy while tasting 2 more intriguing Chenin Blancs.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2004 Nicholas Joly Clos de la Coulee de Serrant
2005 Nicolas Joly Clos de la Bergerie

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Luca Bercelli

93/100

line of the day – ‘Mott, zoom in on this guy over here…he’s like a puppet master’

Fantastic guest and two superb episodes. Gary actually overshadowed for probably the only time ever

Tags: chenin blanc, France, guests, review, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • Kevin C

    I think I’m devloping a serious man crush on Nicholas. Those were two of the most interesting shows I’ve seen on the internet. Fantastic!

  • Kevin C

    I think I’m devloping a serious man crush on Nicholas. Those were two of the most interesting shows I’ve seen on the internet. Fantastic!

  • marilyn lockwood

    awesome show, after seeing part 1 I could not wait to see part 2. So informational. Love it. keep it coming!

  • marilyn lockwood

    awesome show, after seeing part 1 I could not wait to see part 2. So informational. Love it. keep it coming!

  • Ian K

    Awesome show/quest, really interesting. I like the two show format. Don’t ever be afraid to make it three or four. I am waiting for the special episode that is an hour.

    QOTD – I am a half-full kinda guy. I am happy, but I will always search to be happier. I will always look for new things, like Bio-D, to make everything better.

  • Ian K

    Awesome show/quest, really interesting. I like the two show format. Don’t ever be afraid to make it three or four. I am waiting for the special episode that is an hour.

    QOTD – I am a half-full kinda guy. I am happy, but I will always search to be happier. I will always look for new things, like Bio-D, to make everything better.

  • A dumb Rhine king

    Great guest.

    QOTD: I am happy most of the time with the wines that I experience. I do get some that disappoint, but that just makes me appreciate the others even more.

  • A dumb Rhine king

    Great guest.

    QOTD: I am happy most of the time with the wines that I experience. I do get some that disappoint, but that just makes me appreciate the others even more.

  • DAveA

    Great guest. thanks for not overpowering him. smile.
    I am happy and one with the wines I drink.

  • DAveA

    Great guest. thanks for not overpowering him. smile.
    I am happy and one with the wines I drink.

  • Gerry V

    Wow! What a brilliant and captivating episode. I learned so much from this two part episode.

    Gary and Nicolas, my sincere thanks to both of you for the incredible mentoring you both provide. ROI does not get any better.

    QOTD: Yes, and I can honestly say this is largely due to improved situational awareness around the mechanics of wine, the creativity of wine and the company and moments I choose to drink it.

    Salud,

    Gerry

  • Gerry V

    Wow! What a brilliant and captivating episode. I learned so much from this two part episode.

    Gary and Nicolas, my sincere thanks to both of you for the incredible mentoring you both provide. ROI does not get any better.

    QOTD: Yes, and I can honestly say this is largely due to improved situational awareness around the mechanics of wine, the creativity of wine and the company and moments I choose to drink it.

    Salud,

    Gerry

  • Goncasurus-Rex

    amazing episode Gary! very helpful to us want-to-be-nature assistants! I hope to get there someday and see the vineyards where the wines are really made. and to Mr. Joly thank you for your time and wisdom, and your question is a very hard one to answer, I believe that I am not happy with most of the wines I drink even though some of them taste pretty good. The commercialization and mass production of wine has disconnected most of the affordable wines from the land. I think that wine should merely be a physical entity through which the land speaks, the land should be present and recognizable through the wine. However the movement that has spurred the interest in biodynamics and organic farming within the wine growing and nature assistant world has given me hope that wines would become more in tune with nature and not chemical matter.

  • Goncasurus-Rex

    amazing episode Gary! very helpful to us want-to-be-nature assistants! I hope to get there someday and see the vineyards where the wines are really made. and to Mr. Joly thank you for your time and wisdom, and your question is a very hard one to answer, I believe that I am not happy with most of the wines I drink even though some of them taste pretty good. The commercialization and mass production of wine has disconnected most of the affordable wines from the land. I think that wine should merely be a physical entity through which the land speaks, the land should be present and recognizable through the wine. However the movement that has spurred the interest in biodynamics and organic farming within the wine growing and nature assistant world has given me hope that wines would become more in tune with nature and not chemical matter.

  • IB71

    Nicolas Joly proved to be the most interesting guest in WLTV-history. By miles.

  • IB71

    Nicolas Joly proved to be the most interesting guest in WLTV-history. By miles.

  • Dick M

    Great show!!!! Biodynamic is so much more then organic and I love the concept. All the crap that we add to our food gets into our bodies. Nicolas Joly was fantastic and I will certainly support this movement. Please get some of his product Gary!

  • Dick M

    Great show!!!! Biodynamic is so much more then organic and I love the concept. All the crap that we add to our food gets into our bodies. Nicolas Joly was fantastic and I will certainly support this movement. Please get some of his product Gary!

  • port1

    Awesome! Standing ovation…it’s about time.

  • port1

    Awesome! Standing ovation…it’s about time.

  • Loved the segment. Grgich Hills is one of my favorite wineries in Napa and is Biodynamic.

    I’ve very happy with >95% of the wine I drink. I try to do my homework and know what I like, but occasionally a stinker sneaks in.

  • Loved the segment. Grgich Hills is one of my favorite wineries in Napa and is Biodynamic.

    I’ve very happy with >95% of the wine I drink. I try to do my homework and know what I like, but occasionally a stinker sneaks in.

  • Beau Mitall

    QOTD: Yes, but why am i still looking everyday for a wine that will make me happier? Spending more doesnt make me happy.

  • Beau Mitall

    QOTD: Yes, but why am i still looking everyday for a wine that will make me happier? Spending more doesnt make me happy.

  • ChrisR

    Incredible episode, incredible question. I need to get Joly’s books and read them, it’s very interesting.

    QOTD: Lately I haven’t been happy with the wines I’ve been drinking. However, I just had one last night that was fun to drink and experience, and I hope things are on the upswing. We’ll see.

  • ChrisR

    Incredible episode, incredible question. I need to get Joly’s books and read them, it’s very interesting.

    QOTD: Lately I haven’t been happy with the wines I’ve been drinking. However, I just had one last night that was fun to drink and experience, and I hope things are on the upswing. We’ll see.

  • I’m happy with the wines I drink, but that’s because they’re not overflowing with mystical bullshit like people are lapping up from Joly.

    Hopefully they’ll do some research into this insane Biodynamic cult, pull their heads out of their asses, and realize that they were being scammed and ripped off by something that is the winemaking equivalent of palm-reading and tarot cards.

    This is disgraceful and dishonest. This isn’t changing the wine world — this is going back to bullshit and obfuscation, just a different sort than the previous generation’s. Shameful.

    You should be “Speaking Truth to Power” — calling this out for what it is: bullshit, in every sense of the word. From Sylphs and Undines, to Earth Days and Fire Days, to sacrifices of insects, mice, and bulls to be made into a “preparation”, to judging plant compatibility by “sensitive crystallization” it’s a bunch of horseshit.

    Recommended reading:
    SF Weekly on “Voodoo on the Vine”
    Skeptical Inquirer on Biodynamics in the Bottle
    Jesus Barquin and Douglass Smith on Biodynamics “as a mix of good intentions, quasi-religious hocus-pocus, good salesmanship, and scientific illiteracy”
    Smith and Barquin engage BD proponents and demolish them, in responding to the above article

  • I’m happy with the wines I drink, but that’s because they’re not overflowing with mystical bullshit like people are lapping up from Joly.

    Hopefully they’ll do some research into this insane Biodynamic cult, pull their heads out of their asses, and realize that they were being scammed and ripped off by something that is the winemaking equivalent of palm-reading and tarot cards.

    This is disgraceful and dishonest. This isn’t changing the wine world — this is going back to bullshit and obfuscation, just a different sort than the previous generation’s. Shameful.

    You should be “Speaking Truth to Power” — calling this out for what it is: bullshit, in every sense of the word. From Sylphs and Undines, to Earth Days and Fire Days, to sacrifices of insects, mice, and bulls to be made into a “preparation”, to judging plant compatibility by “sensitive crystallization” it’s a bunch of horseshit.

    Recommended reading:
    SF Weekly on “Voodoo on the Vine”
    Skeptical Inquirer on Biodynamics in the Bottle
    Jesus Barquin and Douglass Smith on Biodynamics “as a mix of good intentions, quasi-religious hocus-pocus, good salesmanship, and scientific illiteracy”
    Smith and Barquin engage BD proponents and demolish them, in responding to the above article

  • wayno da wino

    Yo Guys, That was such a GRRRREAAAAAT EPISODE (both Parts)!!!!!!!!
    I could listen to Nicolas All Day!!!

    qotd: Except for a Clunker now & then…..Veeeeerrrry Haaaaappy!!! 🙂

  • wayno da wino

    Yo Guys, That was such a GRRRREAAAAAT EPISODE (both Parts)!!!!!!!!
    I could listen to Nicolas All Day!!!

    qotd: Except for a Clunker now & then…..Veeeeerrrry Haaaaappy!!! 🙂

  • M

    QOTD: Yes, because there are many wines available (except here in PA). As long as I shop beyond the PA border, I am happy at the humongous variety of wines I drink. Expanding my palate makes me happy. Thank you Delaware and NJ.

    I like the thought of not over-analyzing the wine, just enjoy it.

  • M

    QOTD: Yes, because there are many wines available (except here in PA). As long as I shop beyond the PA border, I am happy at the humongous variety of wines I drink. Expanding my palate makes me happy. Thank you Delaware and NJ.

    I like the thought of not over-analyzing the wine, just enjoy it.

  • Lau

    QOTD: Yes! I’m happy with the wines I drink and even more happy to be drinking them with others. Gary has helped this happiness on it’s way by educating and exposing the huge variety of wines out there.

  • Lau

    QOTD: Yes! I’m happy with the wines I drink and even more happy to be drinking them with others. Gary has helped this happiness on it’s way by educating and exposing the huge variety of wines out there.

  • Philippe Armenier

    I know Nicolas for over 20 years: I used to be the former owner, winegrower and winemaker of the Domaine de Marcoux in Chateauneuf-du-Pape, France where I started Biodynamics in 1989,together with Domaine Leflaive in Burgundy. We all had the same teacher, a fabulous man named Francois Bouchet. Now that I have been living on the West Coast for 7 years, it was very moving to see him back on this show, and yes!with our very french passions and our love for Biodynamics. There are more than 40 wineries now in California, Oregon and Washington, more than 2000 acres converted in Biodynamics. Results are awesome and we are now starting research programs with some of the best Earth & Soil Sciences Dept. of the US. But I would say that it was also very moving to see all this enthusiasm brought by the wine blogers. Thank you Gary, and thank you all: America is so interesting and so lively!

  • Philippe Armenier

    I know Nicolas for over 20 years: I used to be the former owner, winegrower and winemaker of the Domaine de Marcoux in Chateauneuf-du-Pape, France where I started Biodynamics in 1989,together with Domaine Leflaive in Burgundy. We all had the same teacher, a fabulous man named Francois Bouchet. Now that I have been living on the West Coast for 7 years, it was very moving to see him back on this show, and yes!with our very french passions and our love for Biodynamics. There are more than 40 wineries now in California, Oregon and Washington, more than 2000 acres converted in Biodynamics. Results are awesome and we are now starting research programs with some of the best Earth & Soil Sciences Dept. of the US. But I would say that it was also very moving to see all this enthusiasm brought by the wine blogers. Thank you Gary, and thank you all: America is so interesting and so lively!

  • */^_^*

    QOTD:

    yes, bc i am informed and experienced enough that i know what i like and dislike from wine at this stage of my life

    no, bc wine culture in between the coasts is dead

  • */^_^\*

    QOTD:

    yes, bc i am informed and experienced enough that i know what i like and dislike from wine at this stage of my life

    no, bc wine culture in between the coasts is dead

  • Doug

    Great show; top ten for me. This guy is pure gold. QOTD: I’m drinking a biodynamic Stryian Welschriesling and I’m very happy!

  • Doug

    Great show; top ten for me. This guy is pure gold. QOTD: I’m drinking a biodynamic Stryian Welschriesling and I’m very happy!

  • Dan

    Great show… as always!

    Thanks Gary!!

  • Dan

    Great show… as always!

    Thanks Gary!!

  • THE TIME IS NOW.

    I’m drawn to this guy. How could you not be? His passion, dedication, drive tireless pursuit of nature’s fruit. Wow. No many people can say they’ve journeyed down a path only to be labeled crazy and kept at it and with time bested their rivals.

    Bottle this guy and take it to market.

    For me, happiness is found with all things in balance. Especially in wine.

    Keep it up Nicolas!

  • THE TIME IS NOW.

    I’m drawn to this guy. How could you not be? His passion, dedication, drive tireless pursuit of nature’s fruit. Wow. No many people can say they’ve journeyed down a path only to be labeled crazy and kept at it and with time bested their rivals.

    Bottle this guy and take it to market.

    For me, happiness is found with all things in balance. Especially in wine.

    Keep it up Nicolas!

  • Valentin

    QOTD: I am happy when the wine is worth the price. In todays wine world there is happening a divergence in terms of price and a convergence in quality: The cheaper wines have become much better whereas the prices of the “serious” wines have reached stratospheric heights. Thus the cheaper wines have become relatively cheaper whereas the “serious” wines have become relatively more expensive.

  • Valentin

    QOTD: I am happy when the wine is worth the price. In todays wine world there is happening a divergence in terms of price and a convergence in quality: The cheaper wines have become much better whereas the prices of the “serious” wines have reached stratospheric heights. Thus the cheaper wines have become relatively cheaper whereas the “serious” wines have become relatively more expensive.

  • apj_bobswineguy

    QOTD: Well Yes Nicolas…I happened to be sipping the 03 Coulee de Serrant!

  • apj_bobswineguy

    QOTD: Well Yes Nicolas…I happened to be sipping the 03 Coulee de Serrant!

  • apj_bobswineguy

    Loweeel, slow it down a bit on the anti-biodynamics!
    As w/ almost all aspects of winemaking/terroir/newworld/oldworld/oak/no-oak; both sides have their arguments and both sides can make great wines(as well as god-awful wines).
    I have read most of those articles, as well as the opposing views. Biodynamics itself does not make a better wine, but writing off the followers so vehemently is also a bit rash.
    If nothing else, practitioners of biodynamics, by definition, pay close attention to what is going on in their vineyards. This doesn’t guarantee a great wine but it certainly increases the odds.
    I could go on & I’m certain you could respond in kind – all I’m saying is take each wine as it comes regardless of the techniques involved in the process.

  • apj_bobswineguy

    Loweeel, slow it down a bit on the anti-biodynamics!
    As w/ almost all aspects of winemaking/terroir/newworld/oldworld/oak/no-oak; both sides have their arguments and both sides can make great wines(as well as god-awful wines).
    I have read most of those articles, as well as the opposing views. Biodynamics itself does not make a better wine, but writing off the followers so vehemently is also a bit rash.
    If nothing else, practitioners of biodynamics, by definition, pay close attention to what is going on in their vineyards. This doesn’t guarantee a great wine but it certainly increases the odds.
    I could go on & I’m certain you could respond in kind – all I’m saying is take each wine as it comes regardless of the techniques involved in the process.

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