EP 638 Wine tasting at CRU Restaurant in NYC – Part 2

CRU’s Robert Bohr and Gary Vaynerchuk get philosophical about Rosso di Montalcino and Burgundy, and even taste a 1980 vintage red from the great Domaine Dujac.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Casanuove delle Cerbaie Rosso di Montalcino
1980 Dujac Clos de la Roche

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Luca Bercelli

90/100

line of the day -‘there’s no stinky cow manure, someone pooped in my face action’

Sound is better in this second half and definitely an interesting show, but I found it funny that Gary agreed with his guest who said that the barnyard aspect of many Burgundy wines was due to bad hygiene or semi-spoiled wine. I’m sure Gary has come across this characteristic on numerous occasions but has usually enjoyed it and not attributed it to any kind of contamination. (But then again my memory is terrible!)

Tags: Clos de la Roche, cru, France, Italian, red, review, Rosso di Montalcino, Video, wine, wines

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  • cma82

    1st! winner

  • cma82

    1st! winner

  • NY Pete

    great show …

  • NY Pete

    great show …

  • Dayton Gray

    Another top 10. Go Eagles!!!

    QOTD: I think that was a VERY loaded question, but I’ll bite anyhow. Even though I don’t consider myself a wine-snob, I still like the fact that wines show terroir and tradition. I would rather have wines taste different from all over the world than be something I can purchase from a juice box in the supermarket. Even if I don’t care for a particular region, variety is the spice of life and it would suck to lose that.

  • Dayton Gray

    Another top 10. Go Eagles!!!

    QOTD: I think that was a VERY loaded question, but I’ll bite anyhow. Even though I don’t consider myself a wine-snob, I still like the fact that wines show terroir and tradition. I would rather have wines taste different from all over the world than be something I can purchase from a juice box in the supermarket. Even if I don’t care for a particular region, variety is the spice of life and it would suck to lose that.

  • NY Pete

    QOTD …great question Robert. above everything else, integrity counts!

  • NY Pete

    QOTD …great question Robert. above everything else, integrity counts!

  • Kevin C

    Part two was worth the wait, thanks for a very informative session. That old Burg looked really nice, and popping a special bottle to share with friends always makes the night a winner.

    QOTD: This could be an hour long conversation, but the thing I like about wine is the variety that one can find by sampling from all over the world. Of course I want the wines to retain their traditional styles and flavor profiles, the real question might be what does that business model then look like. As much as wine making is a passion, the business end can not be overlooked and that I believe is where the rub is.

  • Kevin C

    Part two was worth the wait, thanks for a very informative session. That old Burg looked really nice, and popping a special bottle to share with friends always makes the night a winner.

    QOTD: This could be an hour long conversation, but the thing I like about wine is the variety that one can find by sampling from all over the world. Of course I want the wines to retain their traditional styles and flavor profiles, the real question might be what does that business model then look like. As much as wine making is a passion, the business end can not be overlooked and that I believe is where the rub is.

  • QOTD: It’s a tough one, I don’t want people to feel restricted, to feel forced to stay with what’s “true” for the area or grape, but I don’t want everything to gravitate towards what’s popular.

    If I HAD to choose between the two I’d go with stick with what works for that grape/region, if I don’t like it, who cares, there’s lots of other wines I can try and enjoy. That’s one of the great things about wine, it all tastes like “wine” but there’s so many little subtleties that are exciting and interesting and I love trying new things to try and find them.

    – a relative wine noob.

  • QOTD: It’s a tough one, I don’t want people to feel restricted, to feel forced to stay with what’s “true” for the area or grape, but I don’t want everything to gravitate towards what’s popular.

    If I HAD to choose between the two I’d go with stick with what works for that grape/region, if I don’t like it, who cares, there’s lots of other wines I can try and enjoy. That’s one of the great things about wine, it all tastes like “wine” but there’s so many little subtleties that are exciting and interesting and I love trying new things to try and find them.

    – a relative wine noob.

  • Dr T in NC

    Give me that tradition from traditional places, and let the new places define a style!

  • Dr T in NC

    Give me that tradition from traditional places, and let the new places define a style!

  • Kier

    awesome show once again, the restaurant wine list is serrriously impressive, except u do need some serious bones (and courage) to order one of those burgundys.

    QOTD: i think it depends on the occasion in which you are sharing the wine. in my experience, a good bottle of wine demands intimacy in the sense that it’s valued, thought about, drunk, and enjoyed.

  • Kier

    awesome show once again, the restaurant wine list is serrriously impressive, except u do need some serious bones (and courage) to order one of those burgundys.

    QOTD: i think it depends on the occasion in which you are sharing the wine. in my experience, a good bottle of wine demands intimacy in the sense that it’s valued, thought about, drunk, and enjoyed.

  • Kenny B.

    I’m torn by this question. It makes me feel how on the one hand I love great wines from Chianti, Burgundy and I want those type of wines to be true to the heritage. But I also love wines that turn my notions about “place” on their side, like Bertani Due Uve, a Pinot Noir/Corvina blend or an Aussie GSM or Rhone varietals grown in the Sierra Foothills. To me it’s all awesome, tradition and creativity existing together.

  • Kenny B.

    I’m torn by this question. It makes me feel how on the one hand I love great wines from Chianti, Burgundy and I want those type of wines to be true to the heritage. But I also love wines that turn my notions about “place” on their side, like Bertani Due Uve, a Pinot Noir/Corvina blend or an Aussie GSM or Rhone varietals grown in the Sierra Foothills. To me it’s all awesome, tradition and creativity existing together.

  • cma82

    QOTD: Great Question; certainly better than “What do you think about Alaska?” Variety is the reason I drink wine. If I just wanted to taste a consistent, tasty product, I’d pick up a 24-pack of beer from the grocery store.

    However, I have always been more concerned with exploration of different wine regions and sub-regions than I have been with quality–as it is defined by bold flavors, structured tannins, and long finishes. The typicity of certain spots and regions is what really gets me excited about wine. I want to taste the place, and I want to taste the hands that made the wine. I would happily trade extraction for a handprint of the person who made the wine.

    But, on the other hand, I’m also fascinated by winemakers like Radikon and Scholium, who make wines in unconventional, historical, and experimental ways. Although these producers do not keep with the archetype of the region, they are fascinating none-the-less. Are these producers disrespecting tradition or blazing a trail?

    In the end, I want wines that challenge me to think, rather than wines that beg me to drink them. The world is already filled with monotony; I take the greatest joy from winemaker’s who take pride in producing a wine that shows tradition and integrity for their terroir, region, and vines.

  • cma82

    QOTD: Great Question; certainly better than “What do you think about Alaska?” Variety is the reason I drink wine. If I just wanted to taste a consistent, tasty product, I’d pick up a 24-pack of beer from the grocery store.

    However, I have always been more concerned with exploration of different wine regions and sub-regions than I have been with quality–as it is defined by bold flavors, structured tannins, and long finishes. The typicity of certain spots and regions is what really gets me excited about wine. I want to taste the place, and I want to taste the hands that made the wine. I would happily trade extraction for a handprint of the person who made the wine.

    But, on the other hand, I’m also fascinated by winemakers like Radikon and Scholium, who make wines in unconventional, historical, and experimental ways. Although these producers do not keep with the archetype of the region, they are fascinating none-the-less. Are these producers disrespecting tradition or blazing a trail?

    In the end, I want wines that challenge me to think, rather than wines that beg me to drink them. The world is already filled with monotony; I take the greatest joy from winemaker’s who take pride in producing a wine that shows tradition and integrity for their terroir, region, and vines.

  • John Farrin

    10

  • Scott EJ

    As said in ep. 1…very cool to see two wine nerds shooting the shit about their passion (and mine): wine.

    QOTD: Yes. I want unique wines. I want terroir to be represented. I want good representation of a winemaker. I want all of that, but, I would also like for the wine world to come back down to the middle class. Us caught in that arena can’t enjoy the unique qualities much of the time because we can’t afford them, thus relagating a huge section of wine lovers to drinking wine that is east to make, sell, and lack the qualities you’re asking about.

  • John Farrin

    10

  • Scott EJ

    As said in ep. 1…very cool to see two wine nerds shooting the shit about their passion (and mine): wine.

    QOTD: Yes. I want unique wines. I want terroir to be represented. I want good representation of a winemaker. I want all of that, but, I would also like for the wine world to come back down to the middle class. Us caught in that arena can’t enjoy the unique qualities much of the time because we can’t afford them, thus relagating a huge section of wine lovers to drinking wine that is east to make, sell, and lack the qualities you’re asking about.

  • Montana Calling

    Both shows just out of control!!! Many thanks. Answer-Tradition always…in wine, in family, in life.

  • Montana Calling

    Both shows just out of control!!! Many thanks. Answer-Tradition always…in wine, in family, in life.

  • Lurker

    There is no fun in learning about juicy, popular wines. Gotta kick it old skool.

  • Lurker

    There is no fun in learning about juicy, popular wines. Gotta kick it old skool.

  • Chris F.

    What a great two part episode. You two could have gone on all day and still not run out of things to talk about.I gotta get to New York ,I just checked out CRU’s wine list and it kills!!!!

    QOTD: What I want is wine that is true to itself,to its terroir and its wine maker.All the chemistry that has been going on in the last decade or so is ridicules. The funny thing is the more winemakers try to manipulate their wine the more they seem to screw it up!!

  • Chris F.

    What a great two part episode. You two could have gone on all day and still not run out of things to talk about.I gotta get to New York ,I just checked out CRU’s wine list and it kills!!!!

    QOTD: What I want is wine that is true to itself,to its terroir and its wine maker.All the chemistry that has been going on in the last decade or so is ridicules. The funny thing is the more winemakers try to manipulate their wine the more they seem to screw it up!!

  • kyle

    Great episodes. Great guest.
    I want wines to be both because I think both have their place. For the large commercial type producers, they should be making wines that taste good. But the more boutique wineries or the long-time producers should do what they do best, keep the wine what it is. And I’m sick of people complaining about paying more for “real” wine.

  • kyle

    Great episodes. Great guest.
    I want wines to be both because I think both have their place. For the large commercial type producers, they should be making wines that taste good. But the more boutique wineries or the long-time producers should do what they do best, keep the wine what it is. And I’m sick of people complaining about paying more for “real” wine.

  • Couves

    I love to try varietals that are traditional to a locality. Otherwise, tradition does not always = good. Most of wine for most of history has been awful. I credit modern winemaking and farming techniques for changing this. Of course, there are many exceptions to this rule, I?m sure.

  • Couves

    I love to try varietals that are traditional to a locality. Otherwise, tradition does not always = good. Most of wine for most of history has been awful. I credit modern winemaking and farming techniques for changing this. Of course, there are many exceptions to this rule, I?m sure.

  • John Farrin

    QOTD: Integrity? Absolutely!!!!!!!!!! Otherwise we might as well ship all of the world’s grapes to a central wine factory location and call it good.

  • John Farrin

    QOTD: Integrity? Absolutely!!!!!!!!!! Otherwise we might as well ship all of the world’s grapes to a central wine factory location and call it good.

  • Kellen

    Loved this one! Learned a lot; and I hope I get a chance to experience a wine like that 1980 Dujac soon!
    QOTD: Definately Traditional–I love the story that wines tell!

  • Kellen

    Loved this one! Learned a lot; and I hope I get a chance to experience a wine like that 1980 Dujac soon!
    QOTD: Definately Traditional–I love the story that wines tell!

  • Adam J

    QOTD: Yes, I want wines that stick to their cultural and geographical identities. The way I see it is, if I am wanting to drink a wine that is easy,fruity,and not much to think about, then I go to a place in the world with the “easy personality” that I am looking for. But,I guess that also goes with the fact the I have already learned something about this place of “laid back” wine, and appreciate the personality it has to offer. Amazing show, thanks!!

  • Adam J

    QOTD: Yes, I want wines that stick to their cultural and geographical identities. The way I see it is, if I am wanting to drink a wine that is easy,fruity,and not much to think about, then I go to a place in the world with the “easy personality” that I am looking for. But,I guess that also goes with the fact the I have already learned something about this place of “laid back” wine, and appreciate the personality it has to offer. Amazing show, thanks!!

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: Stick to tradition. There already is way too much easy-drinking, time-wasting wine out there.

  • WineWoman

    QOTD: Stick to tradition. There already is way too much easy-drinking, time-wasting wine out there.

  • Pete

    I have to reinforce what I wrote last night. Really great show. Robert is obviously a very knowledgeable wine guy and it was great seeing you both having a fun conversation about good wine. The wine list at Cru is amazing. Do you have advice for a fairly new wine drinker on how to select a quality wine at a decent value from a massive wine list such as Cru’s? Thanks.

    QOTD – Not being super experienced, I like drinking good tasting wines. I can appreciate the differences from different regions or vintages but at the end of the day I’m looking for wine that I enjoy drinking.

  • Pete

    I have to reinforce what I wrote last night. Really great show. Robert is obviously a very knowledgeable wine guy and it was great seeing you both having a fun conversation about good wine. The wine list at Cru is amazing. Do you have advice for a fairly new wine drinker on how to select a quality wine at a decent value from a massive wine list such as Cru’s? Thanks.

    QOTD – Not being super experienced, I like drinking good tasting wines. I can appreciate the differences from different regions or vintages but at the end of the day I’m looking for wine that I enjoy drinking.

  • TNM

    QOTD- Integrity needs to be keept in the regions.

  • TNM

    QOTD- Integrity needs to be keept in the regions.

  • ckeene

    i want to taste places. good bad or what ever.

  • ckeene

    i want to taste places. good bad or what ever.

  • Drew

    Again, great episode! Tradition. it’s about history,passion and nature.

  • Drew

    Again, great episode! Tradition. it’s about history,passion and nature.

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