EP 654 Discussing Cork vs. Screwcaps during a Grab Bag Wine Tasting

Gary Vaynerchuk and Liza “The Wine Chick” Zimmerman taste 3 totally different wines and debate the relative merits of cork and screwcap enclosures.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2007 Mythic River Sauv BlancGreek White Wine
2006 Bleasdale Langhorne Crossing Shiraz/ CabernetAustralian Red Meritage
2007 Descendientes De Jose Palacios Bierzo PetalosBierzo

Links mentioned in today’s episode.

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Luca Bercelli

90/100

line of the day – ‘you should spend a year doing blind tastings to get rid of your preconceptions, then write a book about it. That’s a big time idea. I want 10%’

My initial thought was – what a terrible guest, but on reflection she was a great foil for GV to confront a lot of things he doesn’t like in the wine industry (whilst pretending to like her). It’s the first time that he’s almost had a full-blown argument with a guest on the show and therefore very watchable. Don’t mess with Gary when talking about screwcaps, corked wines or wine areas that you do or don’t like. I haven’t read the rest of the comments but I’m about to, and I’ll be shocked if she gets off lightly. Great stuff.

Tags: Bierzo, cabernet, Greek, red, review, shiraz, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • Great show! Awesome guest, she really knew her stuff and was true to herself throughout the tastings. I totally agree that people have bias to certain regions (and grapes) and either don’t embrace it and want to force the palate to change or over embrace it and only drink that particular grape….definitely a Catch 22.

    QOTD: I have no idea and I’m not going to give some half ass, copied and pasted answer from a page I Google…not my style 😉

  • Great show! Awesome guest, she really knew her stuff and was true to herself throughout the tastings. I totally agree that people have bias to certain regions (and grapes) and either don’t embrace it and want to force the palate to change or over embrace it and only drink that particular grape….definitely a Catch 22.

    QOTD: I have no idea and I’m not going to give some half ass, copied and pasted answer from a page I Google…not my style 😉

  • Great show for me because I have a couple of tie ins. One, had my first corked wine EVER this weekend. It was crazy because earlier that day I was talking with someone about how I hadn’t ever had one and only hours later…

    Two, I’m glad you did the 2007 Petalos. I had the 06 and it was crazy good. I went to a wine shop at lunch today and saw that had the 07 on the shelf. Just some crazy coincidences.

    Anyway… QOTD: It’s already been answered a ton but I did know that. Thank you “Thirsty Traveller.”

  • Great show for me because I have a couple of tie ins. One, had my first corked wine EVER this weekend. It was crazy because earlier that day I was talking with someone about how I hadn’t ever had one and only hours later…

    Two, I’m glad you did the 2007 Petalos. I had the 06 and it was crazy good. I went to a wine shop at lunch today and saw that had the 07 on the shelf. Just some crazy coincidences.

    Anyway… QOTD: It’s already been answered a ton but I did know that. Thank you “Thirsty Traveller.”

  • Andy Price

    Great show, I like how you did not back down on the screw caps, give it to em Gary. Also I was wondering, my mom cannot have sulfates but wants to drink wine with me. Are there any good wines that do not have sulfate? I appreciate the help for an old, I have been watching since episode 47. vanyack
    Andy

  • Andy Price

    Great show, I like how you did not back down on the screw caps, give it to em Gary. Also I was wondering, my mom cannot have sulfates but wants to drink wine with me. Are there any good wines that do not have sulfate? I appreciate the help for an old, I have been watching since episode 47. vanyack
    Andy

  • Kevin K

    I think this is one of the best episodes I have seen in the last few months. Gary and Liza acted like equals which was nice. Sometimes there is a little too much ass-kissery on the part of the guests. I truly enjoyed her banter.

  • Kevin K

    I think this is one of the best episodes I have seen in the last few months. Gary and Liza acted like equals which was nice. Sometimes there is a little too much ass-kissery on the part of the guests. I truly enjoyed her banter.

  • M

    QOTD: OH MY GOSH!! I work in a a wine shop and last week somebody told me about the fruit an elephant eats. I FORGET.

    I have the 06 Petalos Bierzo in our cellar. I’ve been a fan of bierzo wine for a few years.

    I had a great 05 Chehalem pinot noir that had a screw top. I like screw tops. I’m not romantic with the cork idea.

  • M

    QOTD: OH MY GOSH!! I work in a a wine shop and last week somebody told me about the fruit an elephant eats. I FORGET.

    I have the 06 Petalos Bierzo in our cellar. I’ve been a fan of bierzo wine for a few years.

    I had a great 05 Chehalem pinot noir that had a screw top. I like screw tops. I’m not romantic with the cork idea.

  • F Jackie Martling

    I tried to like this episode but man she has a lot of issues with wine. California (no), Oregon (no), Australia (no), Pinotage (no), Spain (no) There are exceptions! Corks (Yes!) Portugal (Yes!) Artisanal Jerky (Yes Yes!) I don?t get how someone with her experience in wine so easily dismisses entire wine regions.

  • F Jackie Martling

    I tried to like this episode but man she has a lot of issues with wine. California (no), Oregon (no), Australia (no), Pinotage (no), Spain (no) There are exceptions! Corks (Yes!) Portugal (Yes!) Artisanal Jerky (Yes Yes!) I don?t get how someone with her experience in wine so easily dismisses entire wine regions.

  • Jay

    awesome episode. lol @ Gary’s response to the QOTD 🙂

  • Jay

    awesome episode. lol @ Gary’s response to the QOTD 🙂

  • Great episode. Loved Liza. Loved your interaction.
    Please add me FIRMLY to the cork team.
    After spending two weeks in Portugal, and wondering through the awesome cork forests, I can’t imagine a world where screw tops replace cork.
    Ecologically ALONE, we should be supporting cork. A renewable resource, cork forests help fight pollution, and provide habitate to many species.
    Screw tops, on the other hand use resources and fossil fuels in their production. I’m also a supporter of the “Save Miguel” movement.

  • Great episode. Loved Liza. Loved your interaction.
    Please add me FIRMLY to the cork team.
    After spending two weeks in Portugal, and wondering through the awesome cork forests, I can’t imagine a world where screw tops replace cork.
    Ecologically ALONE, we should be supporting cork. A renewable resource, cork forests help fight pollution, and provide habitate to many species.
    Screw tops, on the other hand use resources and fossil fuels in their production. I’m also a supporter of the “Save Miguel” movement.

  • Paul in CT

    Great show.

    Very interesting debate regarding cork vs. screw top. Kudos to Plumpjack for taking the screwtop plunge. I can’t see how it could be a perfect seal. Soda has been going flat with screwtops for years. If carbonation can get out over time, then air can get in. It just may take 25 years to accomplish what cork can do in 7.

    Whitehall Lane has been doing some pretty cool experimentation in this area. Have you seen the glass stopper that they used on the 2003 Reserve Cab? When we went to the tasting room, an assistant to the winemaker said that they were testing all kinds of materials that they believed would allow air to get in. Should continue to be an interesting debate.

    QOTD – Not a clue. Won’t even pretend to know the answer.

  • Mr Beast

    I loved the show. Having knowledgable guests really enhances the interaction, especially if the perspectives are different. Keep it up.

  • Paul in CT

    Great show.

    Very interesting debate regarding cork vs. screw top. Kudos to Plumpjack for taking the screwtop plunge. I can’t see how it could be a perfect seal. Soda has been going flat with screwtops for years. If carbonation can get out over time, then air can get in. It just may take 25 years to accomplish what cork can do in 7.

    Whitehall Lane has been doing some pretty cool experimentation in this area. Have you seen the glass stopper that they used on the 2003 Reserve Cab? When we went to the tasting room, an assistant to the winemaker said that they were testing all kinds of materials that they believed would allow air to get in. Should continue to be an interesting debate.

    QOTD – Not a clue. Won’t even pretend to know the answer.

  • Mr Beast

    I loved the show. Having knowledgable guests really enhances the interaction, especially if the perspectives are different. Keep it up.

  • John Farrin

    QOTD: Google says it’s the Marula tree fruit :)Like we all didn’t know that little factoid :)You obviously need to get out more Gary.

  • John Farrin

    QOTD: Google says it’s the Marula tree fruit :)Like we all didn’t know that little factoid :)You obviously need to get out more Gary.

  • Thumbs down to the screw top.

  • Thumbs down to the screw top.

  • I think you better read the study that happened in Australia when they tried side by side some 30 year old screw cap and cork wine. They were the same wine and the consensus was that the wine under cork was old and leathery with some fruit flavors. The screw cap wine were clearly aged but had freshness that was missing in the cork wine. If I could remember where I read the article perhaps it was in Decanter. Drink good

  • I think you better read the study that happened in Australia when they tried side by side some 30 year old screw cap and cork wine. They were the same wine and the consensus was that the wine under cork was old and leathery with some fruit flavors. The screw cap wine were clearly aged but had freshness that was missing in the cork wine. If I could remember where I read the article perhaps it was in Decanter. Drink good

  • Veronica Raphael

    The best way to check out the flavor of wine is to add cheese or chocolate. Good topic for a future show.

  • Veronica Raphael

    The best way to check out the flavor of wine is to add cheese or chocolate. Good topic for a future show.

  • rowland

    uuuuuuuugh Gary I cant afford to do what you say. 🙁

    lol you just got a 10 book deal and you giving away good ideas!

    Ugh it “Montmorreny” sour cherry. geeze, you better get your bunz up to the Hudson Valley this summer and ill take you cherry picking.

    qotd: no idea. breadfruit? jackfruit? Banana? mmmmm banana.

  • rowland

    uuuuuuuugh Gary I cant afford to do what you say. 🙁

    lol you just got a 10 book deal and you giving away good ideas!

    Ugh it “Montmorreny” sour cherry. geeze, you better get your bunz up to the Hudson Valley this summer and ill take you cherry picking.

    qotd: no idea. breadfruit? jackfruit? Banana? mmmmm banana.

  • Caleb Sexton

    QOTD: Marula. No Google required. I am that much of a trivia nerd. Plus I have a bottle of the liqueur in my fridge.

    I liked the show. More technical stuff please. Don’t be afraid to go a little Sir Gary Vaynerchuk once and a while.

  • Caleb Sexton

    QOTD: Marula. No Google required. I am that much of a trivia nerd. Plus I have a bottle of the liqueur in my fridge.

    I liked the show. More technical stuff please. Don’t be afraid to go a little Sir Gary Vaynerchuk once and a while.

  • Chilemily

    Great show today! Liza was a really informative guest.

    QOTD: Hmmm I definitely don’t know, but scrolling down the page I soon found the answer!

    Also, it’s about a time for a Chilean wine episode, don’t you think 🙂

  • Chris V

    I just saw that someone else has the name Chris V on here; what are the chances?

    For those who read this, here is a link and a great write up on Brett:

    http://www.aromadictionary.com/articles/brettanomyces_article.html

    I was reading the other posts and I to would like to see an episode on incredible Portuguese wine in the $8-$15 range. It’s out there, I just have not had a chance to introduce myself.

    Great episode and now it’s time to find this so called marula liqueur!

  • Chilemily

    Great show today! Liza was a really informative guest.

    QOTD: Hmmm I definitely don’t know, but scrolling down the page I soon found the answer!

    Also, it’s about a time for a Chilean wine episode, don’t you think 🙂

  • Chris V

    I just saw that someone else has the name Chris V on here; what are the chances?

    For those who read this, here is a link and a great write up on Brett:

    http://www.aromadictionary.com/articles/brettanomyces_article.html

    I was reading the other posts and I to would like to see an episode on incredible Portuguese wine in the $8-$15 range. It’s out there, I just have not had a chance to introduce myself.

    Great episode and now it’s time to find this so called marula liqueur!

  • Brenda

    Re: Percentage of corked wine.

    Gary,

    I’m with Lisa here. I would say more like 1 in 75 but DEFINITELY not 1 in 2500.
    I have not had 2500 bottles and have experienced corked bottles. In fact, I purchased a 1/2 case from a good store and 1 bottle was corked, the next wasn’t. The smell was vinegary and the corks looked different. In no way was the bottle drinkable – even after hours of breathing.

    Good show.

    Brenda

  • Brenda

    Re: Percentage of corked wine.

    Gary,

    I’m with Lisa here. I would say more like 1 in 75 but DEFINITELY not 1 in 2500.
    I have not had 2500 bottles and have experienced corked bottles. In fact, I purchased a 1/2 case from a good store and 1 bottle was corked, the next wasn’t. The smell was vinegary and the corks looked different. In no way was the bottle drinkable – even after hours of breathing.

    Good show.

    Brenda

  • gomestar

    Gary – I love it when you can kind of “debate” with guests over the merits of wines or techniques, etc.

    On your 1 in every 2500 comment for corked wine – I’m watching all of your old WLTV episodes, and you’ve had at least 2 corked wines in your first 125 or so shows (I specifically remember the first being with a guest during a Cali cab episode, and the second being in #121, Sauternes). Just using these 2 and overestimating 5 new wines per show, this would equal out to about 1:312 wines being corked. Is this a fluke?

  • gomestar

    Gary – I love it when you can kind of “debate” with guests over the merits of wines or techniques, etc.

    On your 1 in every 2500 comment for corked wine – I’m watching all of your old WLTV episodes, and you’ve had at least 2 corked wines in your first 125 or so shows (I specifically remember the first being with a guest during a Cali cab episode, and the second being in #121, Sauternes). Just using these 2 and overestimating 5 new wines per show, this would equal out to about 1:312 wines being corked. Is this a fluke?

  • The look on your face Gary when she said 5-10% of bottles were corked was priceless. It’s a look of total disbelief that seemed to paralyze your face.

  • The look on your face Gary when she said 5-10% of bottles were corked was priceless. It’s a look of total disbelief that seemed to paralyze your face.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: I had no clue, until I read the comments of people who looked it up. Never heard of the fruit or the liqueur before today- fun!
    Liza was a great guest, very sharp. I still think cork is not as necessary as commonly thought, but she has a point from an environmental perspective.

  • Laurie in VT

    QOTD: I had no clue, until I read the comments of people who looked it up. Never heard of the fruit or the liqueur before today- fun!
    Liza was a great guest, very sharp. I still think cork is not as necessary as commonly thought, but she has a point from an environmental perspective.

  • JCN

    dude….. you called your viewers jerkoffs!

    I agree though, the QOTD shouldn’t have a right answer, it should spark discussion.

  • Elias

    That woman looks like The Joker!!! look when she smiles!!!

    I don’t know.. when a guest is not a “wine person”, like either an accomplished wine maker, sommellier, critic, I seem to get bored with the guest… I know I am a whingy git, but hey, this is rainy gloomy england matey!! I like when your episodes are snappy and to the point, like the one yesterday.I think when you have guests you seem to enjoy yourself too much talking about wine, and the episode becomes a bit long. Especially with guests like Liza that do not offer any really informative opinion, a 35 minute episode seems too long.

    Keep it up matey!

    QOTD: I only know the answer because I went for vacation to South Africa and Zimbabwe 3 years ago (when you could still buy bread in Zim…)

  • JCN

    dude….. you called your viewers jerkoffs!

    I agree though, the QOTD shouldn’t have a right answer, it should spark discussion.

  • Elias

    That woman looks like The Joker!!! look when she smiles!!!

    I don’t know.. when a guest is not a “wine person”, like either an accomplished wine maker, sommellier, critic, I seem to get bored with the guest… I know I am a whingy git, but hey, this is rainy gloomy england matey!! I like when your episodes are snappy and to the point, like the one yesterday.I think when you have guests you seem to enjoy yourself too much talking about wine, and the episode becomes a bit long. Especially with guests like Liza that do not offer any really informative opinion, a 35 minute episode seems too long.

    Keep it up matey!

    QOTD: I only know the answer because I went for vacation to South Africa and Zimbabwe 3 years ago (when you could still buy bread in Zim…)

  • SCOTTYL

    Gary-Great show as always_last week I had the best screw cap wine yet_It was a Felton Road 2006 Pinot Noir,have you had the pleasure yet? If not you should make it part of your New Zealand trip this year!

  • SCOTTYL

    Gary-Great show as always_last week I had the best screw cap wine yet_It was a Felton Road 2006 Pinot Noir,have you had the pleasure yet? If not you should make it part of your New Zealand trip this year!

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