EP 654 Discussing Cork vs. Screwcaps during a Grab Bag Wine Tasting

Gary Vaynerchuk and Liza “The Wine Chick” Zimmerman taste 3 totally different wines and debate the relative merits of cork and screwcap enclosures.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2007 Mythic River Sauv BlancGreek White Wine
2006 Bleasdale Langhorne Crossing Shiraz/ CabernetAustralian Red Meritage
2007 Descendientes De Jose Palacios Bierzo PetalosBierzo

Links mentioned in today’s episode.

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Luca Bercelli

90/100

line of the day – ‘you should spend a year doing blind tastings to get rid of your preconceptions, then write a book about it. That’s a big time idea. I want 10%’

My initial thought was – what a terrible guest, but on reflection she was a great foil for GV to confront a lot of things he doesn’t like in the wine industry (whilst pretending to like her). It’s the first time that he’s almost had a full-blown argument with a guest on the show and therefore very watchable. Don’t mess with Gary when talking about screwcaps, corked wines or wine areas that you do or don’t like. I haven’t read the rest of the comments but I’m about to, and I’ll be shocked if she gets off lightly. Great stuff.

Tags: Bierzo, cabernet, Greek, red, review, shiraz, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • John Rogers

    Great episode with Lisa. I kind of agree with you about corked wine, I have rarely had one but if you wiff it you will know. I have probably had three or four wines in the past 10 years that I concidered corked. I disagree with Lisa about screw tops. I have had wineries change to screw top from cork and have not notice any noticeable change in quality.

    QOTD I have know idea and to lazy to look it up.

  • John Rogers

    Great episode with Lisa. I kind of agree with you about corked wine, I have rarely had one but if you wiff it you will know. I have probably had three or four wines in the past 10 years that I concidered corked. I disagree with Lisa about screw tops. I have had wineries change to screw top from cork and have not notice any noticeable change in quality.

    QOTD I have know idea and to lazy to look it up.

  • John Rogers

    Great episode with Lisa. I kind of agree with you about corked wine, I have rarely had one but if you wiff it you will know. I have probably had three or four wines in the past 10 years that I concidered corked. I disagree with Lisa about screw tops. I have had wineries change to screw top from cork and have not notice any noticeable change in quality.

    QOTD I have know idea and to lazy to look it up.

  • Kyle Bottoms

    wicked episode! loved the debates, loved the discussion. It’s great when you get to feature guests who know their stuff and watching different palettes in action. keep it up Gary.

    Now if only my Flames could be on their game as often as you are…

    Kyle

  • Kyle Bottoms

    wicked episode! loved the debates, loved the discussion. It’s great when you get to feature guests who know their stuff and watching different palettes in action. keep it up Gary.

    Now if only my Flames could be on their game as often as you are…

    Kyle

  • Kyle Bottoms

    wicked episode! loved the debates, loved the discussion. It’s great when you get to feature guests who know their stuff and watching different palettes in action. keep it up Gary.

    Now if only my Flames could be on their game as often as you are…

    Kyle

  • SteveW Colorado

    So far my favorite episodes are when you have the geekiest of wine geeks on…

    – Henrick
    – Nicolas Joly
    – Lisa

    I really like it when your guests are reputable, knowledgeable, and willing to disagree with you. That’s why I never want you to have me on the show – I’d just smile and nod the whole time.

  • SteveW Colorado

    So far my favorite episodes are when you have the geekiest of wine geeks on…

    – Henrick
    – Nicolas Joly
    – Lisa

    I really like it when your guests are reputable, knowledgeable, and willing to disagree with you. That’s why I never want you to have me on the show – I’d just smile and nod the whole time.

  • SteveW Colorado

    So far my favorite episodes are when you have the geekiest of wine geeks on…

    – Henrick
    – Nicolas Joly
    – Lisa

    I really like it when your guests are reputable, knowledgeable, and willing to disagree with you. That’s why I never want you to have me on the show – I’d just smile and nod the whole time.

  • rimarfish

    Great episode! I really enjoyed it…

  • rimarfish

    Great episode! I really enjoyed it…

  • rimarfish

    Great episode! I really enjoyed it…

  • Great show, lots of juicy nerdy wine talk! Liza was fun and charming.

    QOTD: Amarula!

  • Great show, lots of juicy nerdy wine talk! Liza was fun and charming.

    QOTD: Amarula!

  • Great show, lots of juicy nerdy wine talk! Liza was fun and charming.

    QOTD: Amarula!

  • Anonymous

    One of your old world guests said that the poop play is actually from bad or dirty wine practices. Now I read about Brett and it may have a play in this situation.
    http://www.wineintro.com/glossary/b/brett.html
    Maybe just dusty wine glasses… yum

  • Anonymous

    One of your old world guests said that the poop play is actually from bad or dirty wine practices. Now I read about Brett and it may have a play in this situation.
    http://www.wineintro.com/glossary/b/brett.html
    Maybe just dusty wine glasses… yum

  • castello

    One of your old world guests said that the poop play is actually from bad or dirty wine practices. Now I read about Brett and it may have a play in this situation.
    http://www.wineintro.com/glossary/b/brett.html
    Maybe just dusty wine glasses… yum

  • Anonymous

    a good link for cork vs other closures
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=61782626387765280

  • Anonymous

    a good link for cork vs other closures
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=61782626387765280

  • castello

    a good link for cork vs other closures
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=61782626387765280

  • Marula fruit, dumb question! it taste like scotch cream buzz.

  • Marula fruit, dumb question! it taste like scotch cream buzz.

  • Marula fruit, dumb question! it taste like scotch cream buzz.

  • Really Gary, – poopy? Yeah, the bacon-y thing was a dealbreaker for me… but then the poopiness…!!! oh hell no BAHAHAHAHA Glad to have you telling it like it is tho, honestly. I hope to avoid the poopy wines best I can.

    – Taylor

  • Really Gary, – poopy? Yeah, the bacon-y thing was a dealbreaker for me… but then the poopiness…!!! oh hell no BAHAHAHAHA Glad to have you telling it like it is tho, honestly. I hope to avoid the poopy wines best I can.

    – Taylor

  • Really Gary, – poopy? Yeah, the bacon-y thing was a dealbreaker for me… but then the poopiness…!!! oh hell no BAHAHAHAHA Glad to have you telling it like it is tho, honestly. I hope to avoid the poopy wines best I can.

    – Taylor

  • Cheers guys great show

    Got to love Portugese wine …

    I can’t believe you guys haven’t seen the evidence of screw-tops – what about the Pewesey Vale Reislings from the 1970s that were sealed under both cork and stelvin. Anyone in the wine media who’s tried this wines argues in favour of the stelvin sealed wines. I buy a lot of wine for long term cellaring and wine that’s sealed with a cork I would almost never buy though these are Australian wines I’m talking about and Australians are a little more enlightened about these things…

    QOTD: fruit of the murula tree, enjoyed by elephants and enjoyed by us as Amarula cream…

    Cheers
    Andrew

  • Cheers guys great show

    Got to love Portugese wine …

    I can’t believe you guys haven’t seen the evidence of screw-tops – what about the Pewesey Vale Reislings from the 1970s that were sealed under both cork and stelvin. Anyone in the wine media who’s tried this wines argues in favour of the stelvin sealed wines. I buy a lot of wine for long term cellaring and wine that’s sealed with a cork I would almost never buy though these are Australian wines I’m talking about and Australians are a little more enlightened about these things…

    QOTD: fruit of the murula tree, enjoyed by elephants and enjoyed by us as Amarula cream…

    Cheers
    Andrew

  • Cheers guys great show

    Got to love Portugese wine …

    I can’t believe you guys haven’t seen the evidence of screw-tops – what about the Pewesey Vale Reislings from the 1970s that were sealed under both cork and stelvin. Anyone in the wine media who’s tried this wines argues in favour of the stelvin sealed wines. I buy a lot of wine for long term cellaring and wine that’s sealed with a cork I would almost never buy though these are Australian wines I’m talking about and Australians are a little more enlightened about these things…

    QOTD: fruit of the murula tree, enjoyed by elephants and enjoyed by us as Amarula cream…

    Cheers
    Andrew

  • Richie

    Great episode again. Really interesting topic.
    QOTD: I have absolutely no idea and don’t want to google it because I would rather read the answer right here coming from nice people.

  • Richie

    Great episode again. Really interesting topic.
    QOTD: I have absolutely no idea and don’t want to google it because I would rather read the answer right here coming from nice people.

  • Richie

    Great episode again. Really interesting topic.
    QOTD: I have absolutely no idea and don’t want to google it because I would rather read the answer right here coming from nice people.

  • RedRoss

    Love it when you have guests. Love it more when you have guests that don’t fully understand what the Thunder Show is all about. Love it even more when those guest are rocking the wristband..

  • RedRoss

    Love it when you have guests. Love it more when you have guests that don’t fully understand what the Thunder Show is all about. Love it even more when those guest are rocking the wristband..

  • RedRoss

    Love it when you have guests. Love it more when you have guests that don’t fully understand what the Thunder Show is all about. Love it even more when those guest are rocking the wristband..

  • QOTD was easy: Marula. AND: without google!! It’s because I have family in Cape Town and they have a great liqour in South Africa called “Amarula”, which is made from Marula and tasts like a fruity Bailey’s!

  • QOTD was easy: Marula. AND: without google!! It’s because I have family in Cape Town and they have a great liqour in South Africa called “Amarula”, which is made from Marula and tasts like a fruity Bailey’s!

  • QOTD was easy: Marula. AND: without google!! It’s because I have family in Cape Town and they have a great liqour in South Africa called “Amarula”, which is made from Marula and tasts like a fruity Bailey’s!

  • BobbyTiger

    Lots of good information from The Wine Chick. I do appreciate her looking for, and evaluating wines with good price points.
    Gary. At times I felt I was watching cable news. You know……..
    when the moderator asks a guest a question, and then starts talking again when the guest is in the middle of their response?
    But hey, who am I?
    Liza and you both had fun, shared a lot of information, and it was fun to watch.
    QOTD- I dunno.

  • BobbyTiger

    Lots of good information from The Wine Chick. I do appreciate her looking for, and evaluating wines with good price points.
    Gary. At times I felt I was watching cable news. You know……..
    when the moderator asks a guest a question, and then starts talking again when the guest is in the middle of their response?
    But hey, who am I?
    Liza and you both had fun, shared a lot of information, and it was fun to watch.
    QOTD- I dunno.

  • BobbyTiger

    Lots of good information from The Wine Chick. I do appreciate her looking for, and evaluating wines with good price points.
    Gary. At times I felt I was watching cable news. You know……..
    when the moderator asks a guest a question, and then starts talking again when the guest is in the middle of their response?
    But hey, who am I?
    Liza and you both had fun, shared a lot of information, and it was fun to watch.
    QOTD- I dunno.

  • jack

    I would love to see some high end wines with Screw caps…like a taste off of the Plumpjack cabs Cork v Screw!

  • jack

    I would love to see some high end wines with Screw caps…like a taste off of the Plumpjack cabs Cork v Screw!

  • jack

    I would love to see some high end wines with Screw caps…like a taste off of the Plumpjack cabs Cork v Screw!

  • J Crazy

    This was a really interesting/awesome episode. It kind of illustrates the “which came first” riddle. Liza clearly has preconceived notions (as we all do) but she’s also tasted 1000s of times more wines than most of us do. So it begs the question: Are her preconceived notions born from her tastings or have those biases been around forever and influence the way she writes about and reviews wines?

    Whatever the answer is I think it’s fascinating to understand that there isn’t a single wine writer out there who doesn’t have biases. So, I’m super awesomely glad she’s not all about points because at the end of the day what the hell does a 90 from RP mean? It just means that among his biases and the state of his palate that day and all the other millions of factors that go into how we perceive taste that at that time he found he liked that wine at a 90 pts for him. Gary, you always talk about this but today I think we all could clearly see how “normal” wine writers are. The only difference is how much they taste.

  • J Crazy

    This was a really interesting/awesome episode. It kind of illustrates the “which came first” riddle. Liza clearly has preconceived notions (as we all do) but she’s also tasted 1000s of times more wines than most of us do. So it begs the question: Are her preconceived notions born from her tastings or have those biases been around forever and influence the way she writes about and reviews wines?

    Whatever the answer is I think it’s fascinating to understand that there isn’t a single wine writer out there who doesn’t have biases. So, I’m super awesomely glad she’s not all about points because at the end of the day what the hell does a 90 from RP mean? It just means that among his biases and the state of his palate that day and all the other millions of factors that go into how we perceive taste that at that time he found he liked that wine at a 90 pts for him. Gary, you always talk about this but today I think we all could clearly see how “normal” wine writers are. The only difference is how much they taste.

  • J Crazy

    This was a really interesting/awesome episode. It kind of illustrates the “which came first” riddle. Liza clearly has preconceived notions (as we all do) but she’s also tasted 1000s of times more wines than most of us do. So it begs the question: Are her preconceived notions born from her tastings or have those biases been around forever and influence the way she writes about and reviews wines?

    Whatever the answer is I think it’s fascinating to understand that there isn’t a single wine writer out there who doesn’t have biases. So, I’m super awesomely glad she’s not all about points because at the end of the day what the hell does a 90 from RP mean? It just means that among his biases and the state of his palate that day and all the other millions of factors that go into how we perceive taste that at that time he found he liked that wine at a 90 pts for him. Gary, you always talk about this but today I think we all could clearly see how “normal” wine writers are. The only difference is how much they taste.

  • Chris Short

    Gary,

    You need to have some Michigan cherries. 70% of the worlds tart cherries (or something like that) come from MI. Get to the cherry festival in Traverse City. Lots of wine up there too in the Leelenau Peninsula (some of it is drinkable).

  • Chris Short

    Gary,

    You need to have some Michigan cherries. 70% of the worlds tart cherries (or something like that) come from MI. Get to the cherry festival in Traverse City. Lots of wine up there too in the Leelenau Peninsula (some of it is drinkable).

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