EP 808 Petite Sirah Tasting

Gary focuses on an interesting grape called Petite Sirah and tastes 3 from Napa Valley.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2006 Elyse Petite Sirah RutherfordNapa Petite Sirah
2005 Corte Riva Petite SirahNapa Petite Sirah
2006 Robert Foley Pepperland Petite SirahNapa Petite Sirah


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89/100

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Tags: napa, Petite, red, review, Sirah, Video, wine, wines

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  • Anonymous

    castello, get there. One of my favorite vineyards in the valley. Now just understand, that in no way does the vineyard have a beautiful tasting room etc. I think the PS is around 50.

  • YoungDave

    PETIT SIRAH! What a love-hate grape and wine market segment…

    QOTD 1): In general I feel that my clientèle that love the big, blackberry/blueberry-compote-and-vanilla-driven wines that will surely stain your teeth seem to love the (obviously domestic) Petit Sirah, and I even serve a couple that are well-made and dry and have some complex and interesting spice to boot. HOWEVER these wines seem to run along the same path as Australian Shiraz where there is little difference between the $20 mid-teer wines and the $50+ cult wines that deliver little more complexity for the price. My recent favorites (for different reasons) are the (2004-2006) Stephen Ross Petit Sirah Napa, and the 2007 Vina Robles “Jardine” Petit Sirah, Paso Robles.
    QOTD 2): I recently went to a rock climbing gym with friend, but instead of a unique learning experience it ended up being a less-than-attentive lesson followed by a less-than-challenging workout.

  • todd

    Concannon petite sirah was the first I tasted and Bogle was another popular petite sirah due to it's qpr. The last petite sirah I tried was from Rutherglen and surprised me with it's austerity. A very different expression of a favorite varietal of my youth that took me aback.

  • Anonymous

    I hope he will come back but i think after our line let him get slaughtered he will probably ride off into the sunset

  • I contributed to a couple of bottles ha

  • allanj

    I have never tasted any petite sirah i'm affraid : (
    Qofd: Biggest let-down was a Beringer Private Reserve 2001 which Parker scored 97 or 96. The nose was exciting, a real tour de force of different things. But the taste just fell flat, i'm sorry. I think i scored it 89 p.
    I don't know.. The wine might be in what you would call a closed period. Maybe it was the wrong night to open it. It was just meh…… Best thing was it was a Christmas present from my brother so I didn't spend a boatload of cash on it myself. : )
    Yo G, Qofd from me to you: What is your biggest let-down regarding wine?
    Keep on truckin' Mott and Mr. V

  • allanj

    I think you're right.

  • Gary,
    That was a weird-ass show! I loved it though. Im glad its not only the Barossa Valley making over extracted fruit bombs in the world – California does it to!! Those 3 durifs (what we call petite syrah here in AUS) were exactly like some of the Shiraz's you find here in AUS. They are pretty boring, one dimensional wines. I'm not a big fan of this variety as its to big and extracted most times. Good show anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Well, yes, Roger seems to be something that doesn’t come along often. But what was it, 3 years ago? when Tsonga was dominating everyone then lost to Djokovic. Still looking for that same spark.

  • muscle weighs more than fat, and most of the training you are doing is probably bone loading exercise so your bone density is increasing, which is a good thing. Don’t let the number on the scale get you down, go by how you feel and your overall fitness. Walking is a GREAT part of any program too. Keep it up!

  • Anonymous

    i’m totally lost. i somehow ended up on a fitness site.

  • Anonymous

    I see it as an opportunity. The only a new business can compete with these huge guys is through excellent quality and superb customer service. I would think that anyone who has a job right now would appreciate it, but if they don’t then they should go start they’re own thing and leave the position open for someone who would appreciate it. I don’t know what happened to this country from going to hard work to easy money.

  • robbiec… Ni hao ma?
    Concha Y Toro’s Casillero Del Diablo line falls right into your price sweet spot. Very good value, and worth decanting. They have huge production and so I have to believe some of it gets through to you. I am super fond of Chilean wine myself, and would love to know what your selection is like over there. Zai Jian!

  • wine is a major part of my health and fitness plan 😉

  • drt999

    I think I would agree on the 'turning 21' if I remembered it better. . . .

  • drt999

    Ouch! But alas, even I can't defend merlot from PA (riesling and cab franc, maybe)

  • imagebyrotem

    QOTD 1: Different!
    Stronger, bolder wines. Definitely more tannic in nature. Sometimes can generate a “Dry Bomb” that will eliminate ant sense of taste from your mouth.

    QOTD 2: Took part in a Grenache based wine blind tasting. I thought that these wines will some more character then they actually did.

  • paul

    I agree, Pat. I have a few simple ones in the cellar and they’re pretty big. The really big boys might be a bit too fat.

  • SLOW WINE LOVER

    QOTD 1: I've never tasted an interesting, food friendly wine made from Petite Sirah. The grape is great for making simple, commercial wines though.

    QOTD 2: Pingus 2001 was the most over-priced, over-hyped wine I have tasted. Had it next to a Bodegas Riojanas Monte Real 1964 which cost £100 and the much cheaper Monte Real was far more interesting.

  • NY Pete

    Go Saints!

  • Anonymous

    I have found that Leonetti is quite good within two to three years of release especially the Merlot. The Cab can go a little longer. I am a big fan of this wine and was quite disappointed in this effort. Gary Figgins is a very gifted wine maker. I will not give up on him over one bottle.

  • Yeah, I like Petite Sirah a lot. I think it is just so much fun to drink. I like the strong flavors of blueberry and currant. Relative to the usual wines I drink, they tend to be more complex and flavorful. I like them for that. The wines I most often drink are $10 dollar wines, so its nice to have a fruit bomb every now and then.

    I feel let down by a lot of the wines sold at Whole Foods. They carry an interesting selection, but none of them have been very good. The best I had was a Bonarda for about 10 dollars that I rated 88 points. Everything else was just very thin. Thin is not in with wine.

  • johnartmann

    I endorse your view on Petite Sirah wines: great body, dense, tannic, delicious, but extremely low in acid; which makes them taste flabby, with no mid-palate and a short finish.
    Any wine that costs more than US$10, and was vinified in roto-fermenters can be labeled as an overpriced bomb (or a carbonated alcoholic drink). Unfortunately, there is a huge number of wines from Australia, South Africa and Piedmont (Barolos, Barbarescos, Barberas, …) that fall into that category.

  • Hugh

    I like p.s.'s but also find a lack of midpalate often. Then, sometimes the finish gets a little hot from the EtOH….I often find good values in Petite Sirah (Would have been nice to see Bogle or Trentadue in the line-up), and save the $$ for more “well-rounded” varietals. They are tasty, but often simple, so I think I am less surprised at the results than you….QOTD- my last date!!

  • Winosaurus

    Those Petite Sirah wines are in their developmental infancy. They should have been decanted for several hours, perhaps starting on the night before the recording. Top-tier PS are incredible wines when fully mature.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are right castello. He and his guest were speaking of the flexibility it takes to be a true artist of a winemaker. How the greats don?t just “draw a line in the sand”, They change with the weather, the soil and the vintage. Sometimes this takes fine tuning others it takes a huge shift. I have not been in the wine industry for log, but it does not take long to realize that wine is a living breathing animal; usually nothing goes as planned and one must be flexible in their endeavors and willing to make sacrifices from time to time.

  • Anonymous

    J. King, where are you from? Dont here many people talk about Lodi producers on this show. In fact I have only seen ONE lodi Wine on the show so far. Where is the love Gary? The QPR is fantastic in Lodi, and there are some good wines made here to boot.

  • Anonymous

    I agree,Gary,because of his job and the show, has the opportunity to taste a huge variety of wine, which is how he has developed such huge array of info on wine.The only thing that bothers me a little bit, is the amount of pop and pours that he puts through the show.You can really miss out on a lot of a wines complexity’s if you don’t give it time, but he still has a pretty good palate and is probably right on about 90 to 95 percent of the wines.

  • MarkDaSpark

    Surprised that PSith Master Loweeel (PSycho’s Path blog – http://www.psychospath.com/) hasn’t taught you more about PS. Facts were interesting at the beginning, but you should mention that PS is one of the wines that can benefit from decanting (and some long times at that). The mid-palate problem may have been due to their not being open long enough. How long were the bottles open before you started drinking them?

    Have really enjoyed PS wines, and just enjoyed a Rosenblum PS Heritage Clones with the family recently. Switchback PS has been very good as well, but better the longer it’s been open. Kent Rasmussen PS wines have also been excellent, but Kent believes that PS has a “dumb” phase that it can go thru starting around 10 to 15 years and lasting for around 5 years (or more?) before it opens up again.

    Disappointed in not liking Ice Wines. Love Sauternes and other sweet dessert wines, but find that Ice Wines have been too syrupy for me.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks. Whoever said grapes/wine is an inanimate object should rethink that. lol?

  • QOTD #1: Every PS i have had, besides one i can recall, has had that thinness in the end, and a many times a lack of mid palate. Would always rather have the Bogle for way less money, and it delivers for the price point.

    Recently though, a 2005 Seghesio Home Ranch Petit Sirah gave my mouth a good fun Wednesday night. It still though drank extremely young, and much better the next day.

    QOTD #2: re: wine, we had a bottle of the Lamy Pillot Chassagne Montrachet Rouge, and were pretty jazzed on seeing what it brought to our palate, even is only for some palate training. But WHOA, did it under deliver, or just maybe it just was too awkward. dry dry like dried up flower dry with corn starch on top. disappointing, but happy i drank it.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, I’ll give it a go.

  • JenioTate

    Why can't I read comments while listening to the show? Also, when I click “view all” comments, it doesn't actually take you to them?it looks like it just stops the show. After doing this 3 times (definition of insanity), I figured out I needed to scroll down. Love the show btw.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds good to me,got any suggestions?

  • Anonymous

    He has talent in spades but sometimes other great players make him look slow. Too bad he gets injured so often and that creates inconsistency. Love to watch and play doubles twice a week. Some of the big boys are coming to San Jose for the SAP open next week. Be there.

  • fljohn

    I think you are wrong a young Lafite may be tight or awkward. but one dimensional no. not the good vintages and you still get the land comming in somewhere which you might not be getting from the CA wines.

  • nitaT

    thank you for your honesty Gary!

    QOTD1- Petite Sirah-not my fav. maybe I should try old world PS – is there such a thing?
    QOTD2- as of late- most california wines have been a let down, too much big fruit for me.

    Cheers!

  • SurfCityJay

    Nice show to start the week..

    QOTD1: Love PS… especially with a homemade, grilled cheddar cheese burger…
    QOTD2: The holidays (Xmas, NY)… always come with big hype… then they’re gone and you wonder, “what the hell just happened”…?

  • v.Pablo Nyarady

    Hi Gary,

    I love PS… Especially Foley's wines. Switchback is my favorite! – The Corte Riva is made by Rommel who was Foleys assistant winemaker when he was at Pride. Rommel is extremely talented and I love his wines, especially his Cab.
    I have to disagree with you on this one, at least with wines 2 & 3… Those two wines are HUGE and need time to properly develop (decanting for many hours is a must, especially when they are this young). A few years in the bottle will allow them to properly integrate.
    I will open an '06 Pepperland tonight with diner and taste it again (with and without the proper decanting)… You should ask Bob to come on the show, he is a really fantastic guy and most of his wines are truly amazing (especially with some age on them)… Try Switchback Ridge's PS, which is Kelly Petersen's wine (made by Bob Foley), it is truly one of the best wines I have tasted, but it has to be done with food because again, these are HUGE wines with lots of structure.
    The difference between a great PS and one of lesser quality is HUGE, probably more apparent then almost any other varietal!
    Too bad that you did not enjoy these wines and I hope that it does not turn people away from trying them as they are truly remarkable/memorable wines, but they need to be properly 'staged' in order to get the full monty!

  • Anonymous

    Love the name. I am probably way off base as far as origen is concerned, but NIB has to be one of my all time favorite Sabbath songs.

  • vintner

    totally agree with you about ps, from a vintners perspective it's merely a blending varietal. 1-dimensional at best and lacking a mid-palate with massive fruit and tannin. Plenty of fellow winemakers that swear by it but I just don't see it. Glad we can't grow it here in Va.

    As a vintner in Virginia disheartned by fellow wineries releasing bad wines assuming the public is ignorant to faults and will consume anything, when they know it is bad just to save a buck. Overall hurting our burgeoning reputation. No integrity but the real good ones stay out of the spotlight and do there own thing trying to figure out variety and site and hope the entrepreneurial impatience will fade soon….

  • Anonymous

    Agree 100000000000%

  • Anonymous

    well said but how does a region gain respect that has grown by 20% in two years with an additional 12 more applying for a license as I write this. It has unfortunately grown into a tourist trap where the consumer comes into a tasting room and is bombarded with 25 feet of trinkets and gimmicks before they even reach the bar. Wine at this point is no longer the focus so one has to resort to weddings and limo rides and festivals to promote and sell ones product. But a select few are focusing on the variety, the land, and it’s people who have such a rich history of agriculture in general. I’ve been lucky enough to work for a few of them. Try an Aglianico from Villa Appalaccia or a Vidal/Riesling blend from Linden or even a Merlot from Aspen Dale Winery at the Barn. These truly show what Virginia is capable of delivering. By the way where are you a cellar rat? I used to be one myself still am I guess

  • Thanks for the honest episode, Gary. Very informative comments from my fellow Vayniacs!

    QOTD1: I had a Girard Petite Sirah a few years ago (a gift from a friend), and I remember the big bold flavor (which I loved, but my wife didn't take to), but it did seem young. Perhaps I should have waited to open that bottle as per the advice of many here. I will have to look for Ridge (as suggested again in the comments).

    QOTD2: I tried a local Thai place which had received some good reviews, but epically failed to deliver on standard dishes. The fish appetizer was inedible.

  • SS_Chris

    KaD <enter forum “doucheroll” emoticon>

  • LeatherTO THE PALATE

    Who is SSCHRIS?

    Go Cubs!

  • Braden G

    QOTD #1 – Haven't had a PS in quite a while but I do love'em!

    QOTD #2 – Obama.

  • hollisdevillo

    i think he's making an educated guess based on his experience that the wine might not evolve in the next years. he has found wines in numerous past episodes that lack complexity at the time but he thinks they will evolve and become more complex over the years. this one, evidently, he didn't think so. the majority of wines are drank quick and dirty, so to speak, so gary usually rates them based on the now.

  • tate

    Gary… more blind tastings!
    …even if you know the varietal going in. I feel like we all get more out of it.. including you!

  • hollisdevillo

    i'd watch “The Gary Vaynerchuk Show.”

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