EP 591 George Taber Talks Wine and Drinks Some Too!

George Taber stops by the Thunder Show and talks wine and other things.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Chalone Chalone Vineyard ChardonnayOther California Chardonnay
2004 Freemark Abbey Cabernet SauvignonNapa Cabernet

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Luca Bercelli

91/100

line of the day – ‘Preach it George…SAY IT’

The ‘Bottleshock’ guy is a great guest with loads of good anecdotes

Tags: cabernet, california, George Taber, napa, red, review, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • QOTD: Whichever one keeps my vino fresh. A good quality natural cork I think is ideal, but I also like the Stelvin closures (high quality screwcap). I have never tried the zork, afraid of the name. I guess I’d take a good screwcap over a bad cork…

    Hey vaniacs, there is so much back and forth about with is better for freshness and aging anyone have the “fresh” 411 on it?

  • QOTD: Whichever one keeps my vino fresh. A good quality natural cork I think is ideal, but I also like the Stelvin closures (high quality screwcap). I have never tried the zork, afraid of the name. I guess I’d take a good screwcap over a bad cork…

    Hey vaniacs, there is so much back and forth about with is better for freshness and aging anyone have the “fresh” 411 on it?

  • Neil

    QOTD: I’m used to cork, however screw cap is probably the wave of the future.

    It’s too bad you are flying all the way across the US to see the Jets choke to perhaps one the worst teams in the NFL.

  • Neil

    QOTD: I’m used to cork, however screw cap is probably the wave of the future.

    It’s too bad you are flying all the way across the US to see the Jets choke to perhaps one the worst teams in the NFL.

  • Great show with Mr. Tabor. I have his book and found it very interesting.
    I finally finished my wine memoir, Mouthfeel: Confessions of a Wine Slut, and I invite you and the Vanyiacs to read the opening chapter at http://www.writingraw.com.
    Cheers!
    -Mari

  • Great show with Mr. Tabor. I have his book and found it very interesting.
    I finally finished my wine memoir, Mouthfeel: Confessions of a Wine Slut, and I invite you and the Vanyiacs to read the opening chapter at http://www.writingraw.com.
    Cheers!
    -Mari

  • hp

    I’m really enjoying the guest appearances!

    QOTD: I prefer corks or screw caps. Anything but synthetic cork! 🙁 I don’t oppose synthetic corks in some mass-marketed wines from any technical or philosophical stand-point per se; they’re meant to be popped and poured anyway, so to speak, and I wouldn’t care what kind of closure they had. Even so, I still think even those producers should move towards screw tops. It just makes so much more sense. No one’s looking to cellar most of those wines (if some are concerned that screw caps may not keep well) and no one’s looking for the “romance” of corks, so why not just close the product with a sensible and durable screw-cap?

  • hp

    I’m really enjoying the guest appearances!

    QOTD: I prefer corks or screw caps. Anything but synthetic cork! 🙁 I don’t oppose synthetic corks in some mass-marketed wines from any technical or philosophical stand-point per se; they’re meant to be popped and poured anyway, so to speak, and I wouldn’t care what kind of closure they had. Even so, I still think even those producers should move towards screw tops. It just makes so much more sense. No one’s looking to cellar most of those wines (if some are concerned that screw caps may not keep well) and no one’s looking for the “romance” of corks, so why not just close the product with a sensible and durable screw-cap?

  • Strange ep. Left me thinking of all the good wineries left out of the Paris Tasting, both in France and California. Not sure France had the best representation. Dozens of quality producers in Cali were not present.

    Where was Martin Ray, for example?

    George Taber is not a historian, we’ll leave it at that.

    QOTD: cork.

  • Strange ep. Left me thinking of all the good wineries left out of the Paris Tasting, both in France and California. Not sure France had the best representation. Dozens of quality producers in Cali were not present.

    Where was Martin Ray, for example?

    George Taber is not a historian, we’ll leave it at that.

    QOTD: cork.

  • Sarah

    Great episode! Great guest…so fun to get Taber’s perspective.

    QOTD: Screw cap. Takes a little bit of fun out of the presentation, but you don’t have to worry about the cork. (Synthetic just too hard to get out of the bottle!)

  • Sarah

    Great episode! Great guest…so fun to get Taber’s perspective.

    QOTD: Screw cap. Takes a little bit of fun out of the presentation, but you don’t have to worry about the cork. (Synthetic just too hard to get out of the bottle!)

  • Bruce B.

    Gary ruins every damn interview he does. He just can’t shut his goddamn mouth for more than 5 seconds. Wouldn’t it be nice to hear what George Taber and all the other guests have to say? The definition of an egomanic–Gary!

  • ex-lurkdawg

    I can’t say I have a single favorite closure. I like the screwcap for its lack of TCA and related chemicals, but I do believe it encourages reductive problems. I like the cork for doing such a good job, but I don’t like its unreliability. I like the glass but it seems wasteful and I’m not sure how it holds up over time. I like the different boxes (with or without bag) for cheap stuff. I don’t like the synthetic corks because they are unreliable, they’re not good for ageing, and I believe they leech flavor components from the wine.
    Thanks for another great show.

  • Bruce B.

    Gary ruins every damn interview he does. He just can’t shut his goddamn mouth for more than 5 seconds. Wouldn’t it be nice to hear what George Taber and all the other guests have to say? The definition of an egomanic–Gary!

  • ex-lurkdawg

    I can’t say I have a single favorite closure. I like the screwcap for its lack of TCA and related chemicals, but I do believe it encourages reductive problems. I like the cork for doing such a good job, but I don’t like its unreliability. I like the glass but it seems wasteful and I’m not sure how it holds up over time. I like the different boxes (with or without bag) for cheap stuff. I don’t like the synthetic corks because they are unreliable, they’re not good for ageing, and I believe they leech flavor components from the wine.
    Thanks for another great show.

  • Smith MBA

    Good show man. Judgment of Paris is interesting for what a non-event it was that subsequently turned into a big deal.

  • Smith MBA

    Good show man. Judgment of Paris is interesting for what a non-event it was that subsequently turned into a big deal.

  • Dr. J

    g,

    last year for Christmas, i got, and read the Great Paris Wine Tasting of 1976. i was fascinated and totally enthralled by the history, and impact that followed the great wine tasting. the book was a great read, and i did not put it down for two days because i got sucked into it. so i really enjoyed today’s show and have great respect for George Taber. now, i will have to get and read his latest book(s). you have been doing a great job as of late with your guests, and they have added a positive and new direction for WLTV. keep up the great work. the guests have been terrific, and you have a great synergy going !

    QOTD: as long as the closure keeps the contents safge and sound and intact, it doesn’t matter what they use. and btw, i was not aware of the history of the cork until George pointed it out to us. Thank you for the terrific factoid !

  • Dr. J

    g,

    last year for Christmas, i got, and read the Great Paris Wine Tasting of 1976. i was fascinated and totally enthralled by the history, and impact that followed the great wine tasting. the book was a great read, and i did not put it down for two days because i got sucked into it. so i really enjoyed today’s show and have great respect for George Taber. now, i will have to get and read his latest book(s). you have been doing a great job as of late with your guests, and they have added a positive and new direction for WLTV. keep up the great work. the guests have been terrific, and you have a great synergy going !

    QOTD: as long as the closure keeps the contents safge and sound and intact, it doesn’t matter what they use. and btw, i was not aware of the history of the cork until George pointed it out to us. Thank you for the terrific factoid !

  • F Jackie Martling

    Good show. Gary does remind me of Chris Matthews (Hardball) when he talks over people, but that keeps the pace of the show going. Screw Cap

  • F Jackie Martling

    Good show. Gary does remind me of Chris Matthews (Hardball) when he talks over people, but that keeps the pace of the show going. Screw Cap

  • Weston

    QOTD:
    Favourite Enclosure I don’t buy my wine by Enclosure because of my wine club.
    I work in the restaurant industry and I know my server buddies like Corks at table side because of the show, the bartender behind the bar likes Screw caps for by the glass.

    As Long as my Wine isn’t Corked
    Doesn’t taste like plastic from synthetic corks
    or doesn’t taste like Metal from Screw caps

    I don’t really care

    You recommend a wine I’ll drink it no matter the enclosure

  • Weston

    QOTD:
    Favourite Enclosure I don’t buy my wine by Enclosure because of my wine club.
    I work in the restaurant industry and I know my server buddies like Corks at table side because of the show, the bartender behind the bar likes Screw caps for by the glass.

    As Long as my Wine isn’t Corked
    Doesn’t taste like plastic from synthetic corks
    or doesn’t taste like Metal from Screw caps

    I don’t really care

    You recommend a wine I’ll drink it no matter the enclosure

  • M

    Fascinating show!!! Two great guests this week, George Taber and Jorge Ordonez.

    QOTD: I can’t stand synthetic corks. I broke my Screw Pull with synthetic corks. I like a good quality cork with my new $1.99 opener. Although I find myself doing back flips when I discover the wine I’m opening has a screw top. It’s sooooo easy to open. I brought a screw top Central Otago Pinot Noir (Amisfield) to a BYOB restaurant and the server did a back flip. She’s very excited when guests bring screw tops.

  • M

    Fascinating show!!! Two great guests this week, George Taber and Jorge Ordonez.

    QOTD: I can’t stand synthetic corks. I broke my Screw Pull with synthetic corks. I like a good quality cork with my new $1.99 opener. Although I find myself doing back flips when I discover the wine I’m opening has a screw top. It’s sooooo easy to open. I brought a screw top Central Otago Pinot Noir (Amisfield) to a BYOB restaurant and the server did a back flip. She’s very excited when guests bring screw tops.

  • sam

    Great show, good times, fun guest.

    Keep bringin’ the thunder.

  • sam

    Great show, good times, fun guest.

    Keep bringin’ the thunder.

  • Corks forever, man!! There’s no explaining it- they’re just sexy!
    Nice one, can’t wait to see this bungee jump!

  • Corks forever, man!! There’s no explaining it- they’re just sexy!
    Nice one, can’t wait to see this bungee jump!

  • Great show, fabulous guest! I love hearing from people who were “there” when cool things happened or who were influential, or at least a part of, seminal events. Gotta buy his books! Sound like some nice reading in front of the fireplace with a big ol’ glass of vino….

    QOTD – if I were spending a ton of dough on a bottle to cellar for a long time, I would rather have a screwtop since I know the chances of having problems long term are much less. I do like the pomp and circumstance of popping a real cork, though. Oh – I HATE those fake corks! They are impossible to get off of my corkscrew!! Anyone who uses those pieces of crap should really just go with the Stelvin screwtops. Cheers!

  • Great show, fabulous guest! I love hearing from people who were “there” when cool things happened or who were influential, or at least a part of, seminal events. Gotta buy his books! Sound like some nice reading in front of the fireplace with a big ol’ glass of vino….

    QOTD – if I were spending a ton of dough on a bottle to cellar for a long time, I would rather have a screwtop since I know the chances of having problems long term are much less. I do like the pomp and circumstance of popping a real cork, though. Oh – I HATE those fake corks! They are impossible to get off of my corkscrew!! Anyone who uses those pieces of crap should really just go with the Stelvin screwtops. Cheers!

  • Orion S.

    I have to admit to loving the pop when opening wine sealed with a cork, but it doesn’t affect my purchases. I don’t discriminate against screw-tops.

  • Orion S.

    I have to admit to loving the pop when opening wine sealed with a cork, but it doesn’t affect my purchases. I don’t discriminate against screw-tops.

  • DrEdwardo

    QOTD: Screwcap & has been for at least 8 years!!

    Edwardo

  • DrEdwardo

    QOTD: Screwcap & has been for at least 8 years!!

    Edwardo

  • Slushpuppy

    Gary: Your dentist must be very impressed with your spitting ability. At best you would be drinking a very small glass of wine. George was wonderful; I will be buying his book! Please have more regular guys and gals on that love to drink wine!
    Smell it first. TR

  • Slushpuppy

    Gary: Your dentist must be very impressed with your spitting ability. At best you would be drinking a very small glass of wine. George was wonderful; I will be buying his book! Please have more regular guys and gals on that love to drink wine!
    Smell it first. TR

  • Canadian Vayniac

    QOTD: gotta say I like real corks because they’re just more traditional and I enjoy opening them, however, if I think practically then screw tops are the way to go. Great episode! Gary: will WLTV ship Christmas packs to Canada?

  • Canadian Vayniac

    QOTD: gotta say I like real corks because they’re just more traditional and I enjoy opening them, however, if I think practically then screw tops are the way to go. Great episode! Gary: will WLTV ship Christmas packs to Canada?

  • DF

    QOTD: What are men going to do anymore if they can’t be handed a bottle of wine and told, “Open this” by the hostess at a party? This was the only place you could demonstrate your muscle with a bare bones wine opener. I guess we’ll have to be content with great wine if not great admiration of our “guns.”

  • DF

    QOTD: What are men going to do anymore if they can’t be handed a bottle of wine and told, “Open this” by the hostess at a party? This was the only place you could demonstrate your muscle with a bare bones wine opener. I guess we’ll have to be content with great wine if not great admiration of our “guns.”

  • “Turn off the camera Mott!” I can’t believe he slipped through the Vheatin’ Pats screening?

    All kidding aside, a wonderful guest. They get better all the time and I’ll need to buy the enclosure book of his.

    QOTD: Good question. If I pay over 50 bones for a wine, I want cork. Anything less, I don;t give a rat’s arse as long as the wine is good. I’ve never had an embarrassing moment for me or a sommelier whilst opening a bottle of wine and having it corked. I guess it also comes down for me as: whites–screwcap; reds — cork.

    Cheers and your Jets prediction is right on.

    P.S. Do you know ANY Colts fans?

    GO COLTS!

  • “Turn off the camera Mott!” I can’t believe he slipped through the Vheatin’ Pats screening?

    All kidding aside, a wonderful guest. They get better all the time and I’ll need to buy the enclosure book of his.

    QOTD: Good question. If I pay over 50 bones for a wine, I want cork. Anything less, I don;t give a rat’s arse as long as the wine is good. I’ve never had an embarrassing moment for me or a sommelier whilst opening a bottle of wine and having it corked. I guess it also comes down for me as: whites–screwcap; reds — cork.

    Cheers and your Jets prediction is right on.

    P.S. Do you know ANY Colts fans?

    GO COLTS!

  • Need to be able to edit posts. “Cheatin’ Pats”

  • Need to be able to edit posts. “Cheatin’ Pats”

  • DAve A

    Fascinating guest. No idea of the background, but he was interesting to listen to.
    QOTD: favorite closure? a ZIPPER… oh, you mean on wine bottles…Cork when on date night or when I make my own wines (add to the experience), personally, I’d rather have screw top for all other wines. I finally have enough cork openers and will put them with my slide-rule someday.

    Come to Raleigh! Opening new winery in January! Very strong wines, I think. (I’m not owner, but involved) We could do 2 shows, one there and one at catering site to match wines as chef whips something up. Raleigh is in NC… south of Jersey. smile.

  • DAve A

    Fascinating guest. No idea of the background, but he was interesting to listen to.
    QOTD: favorite closure? a ZIPPER… oh, you mean on wine bottles…Cork when on date night or when I make my own wines (add to the experience), personally, I’d rather have screw top for all other wines. I finally have enough cork openers and will put them with my slide-rule someday.

    Come to Raleigh! Opening new winery in January! Very strong wines, I think. (I’m not owner, but involved) We could do 2 shows, one there and one at catering site to match wines as chef whips something up. Raleigh is in NC… south of Jersey. smile.

  • Scott Williams

    Very interesting and entertaining guest. I’ll have to check out his books. Personally, I don’t mind Gary’s interview style. Taber seemed to have a tendency to ramble on a bit, and Gary was just trying to ultimately bring it back to the wine.

    QOTD: Screw Cap

  • Scott Williams

    Very interesting and entertaining guest. I’ll have to check out his books. Personally, I don’t mind Gary’s interview style. Taber seemed to have a tendency to ramble on a bit, and Gary was just trying to ultimately bring it back to the wine.

    QOTD: Screw Cap

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