EP 635 Carneros Wines Picked By A Facebook Fan

Yesterday Gary used Twitter and Facebook to send out a message to the fans of the show to pick the show for today, and one of the 200 recommendations was Cyrus’s idea to do Carneros. What is going on with the place that has such a wonderful reputation for Chardonnay and Pinot Noir?

Wines tasted in this episode:

2007 Rombauer Carneros ChardonnayNapa Chardonnay
2007 Neyers Chardonnay CarnerosNapa Chardonnay
2005 Castle Estate Pinot Noir Los CarnerosSonoma Pinot Noir
2006 Etude Pinot Noir CarnerosNapa Pinot Noir

Links mentioned in today’s episode.

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Luca Bercelli

93/100

line of the day – ‘It’s got one dimension and that dimension is mah!’

I feel like Gary was right on point during this episode. Made me laugh out loud a couple of times (‘what have you got, I can juggle two corks’ etc) and evaluation of the wines seemed razor sharp. Who needs guests when you can be this entertaining on your own?

Tags: california, Carneros, chardonnay, napa, Pinot Noir, red, review, Sonoma, Video, white, wine, wines

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  • italianwinelover

    Great Show! Wasn’t thrilled with the Rombauer myself but their Zin isn’t too bad.

    QOTD: Probably close to 500 but its just a guess?…you should do a contest for the one person who left the most comments the longest time!?? Could be a fun one!

    Hope Lizzy is feeling well!

  • italianwinelover

    Great Show! Wasn’t thrilled with the Rombauer myself but their Zin isn’t too bad.

    QOTD: Probably close to 500 but its just a guess?…you should do a contest for the one person who left the most comments the longest time!?? Could be a fun one!

    Hope Lizzy is feeling well!

  • I want to have my comments read

    So….. NO COMMENT.

    Wait…actually I do have a comment.

    That guy played you like a Violin…and had no business being on the show lying to the Vaniacs about the year thing. I mean COME ON!!! If I was on the show I’d have the question of the day ready to fire off like a Mac 10 with a full round of ammo. Jeeez… does he really think he was fooling you Homey?
    The book should have been titled….gary got screwed… by having me on his show…haha

    I mean if that guy can be a guest I should be invited on once a month…LOL

    QOTD: 100’s and not one acknowledgement. But the “NO COMMENT” one was!!!!

  • I want to have my comments read

    So….. NO COMMENT.

    Wait…actually I do have a comment.

    That guy played you like a Violin…and had no business being on the show lying to the Vaniacs about the year thing. I mean COME ON!!! If I was on the show I’d have the question of the day ready to fire off like a Mac 10 with a full round of ammo. Jeeez… does he really think he was fooling you Homey?
    The book should have been titled….gary got screwed… by having me on his show…haha

    I mean if that guy can be a guest I should be invited on once a month…LOL

    QOTD: 100’s and not one acknowledgement. But the “NO COMMENT” one was!!!!

  • Mike Pos

    Tell that person that told you to stop saying PLAY to shut up. We like you being natural. Love your show, BIG UPS. You do need to give guests a few more seconds to reply, but I can feel your pain. You are too quick witted for most of these people you have on the show. PLEASE KEEP DOING WINELIBRARYTV. VAYNIAK FOR LIFE.

  • Mike Pos

    Tell that person that told you to stop saying PLAY to shut up. We like you being natural. Love your show, BIG UPS. You do need to give guests a few more seconds to reply, but I can feel your pain. You are too quick witted for most of these people you have on the show. PLEASE KEEP DOING WINELIBRARYTV. VAYNIAK FOR LIFE.

  • Dutch

    Ah, yes, Chardonnay: the world’s most overrated grape! At best, it develops only moderate acidity, little sweetness, too much alcohol, and simple flavor profiles; a poor value all around. I think it’s best left to the French, who at least have some restraint when it comes to new oak.
    The American/International style, as exemplified by Rombauer, becomes the easy-drinking, cloyingly-sweet, overly-alcoholic “un-white wine” that most Americans crave. The typical Cailfornia Chardonnay winemaker is in that respect more chemist/carpenter than vintner. Yuk! The only food this stuff goes well with IS buttered popcorn!

    Anyway, reading through the comments, I have to agree with ex-lurkdawg about reading comments: we can read them on our own. Bring on the Vino!

    I also agree with my2cents about doing a show on MADEIRA–love it! This stuff, like Sherry, is one of the world’s most underrated, underappreciated wines. You get serious complexity for about 20-30 bones! It’s also great in all kinds of sauces and can last forever sitting on your kitchen counter, as it’s already been fully oxidized.

    FUN FACT: Madeira was hugely popular in 18th Century America. The signing of The Declaration of Independence, as well as George Washington’s Inauguration, were both toasted with Madeira!

  • Dutch

    Ah, yes, Chardonnay: the world’s most overrated grape! At best, it develops only moderate acidity, little sweetness, too much alcohol, and simple flavor profiles; a poor value all around. I think it’s best left to the French, who at least have some restraint when it comes to new oak.
    The American/International style, as exemplified by Rombauer, becomes the easy-drinking, cloyingly-sweet, overly-alcoholic “un-white wine” that most Americans crave. The typical Cailfornia Chardonnay winemaker is in that respect more chemist/carpenter than vintner. Yuk! The only food this stuff goes well with IS buttered popcorn!

    Anyway, reading through the comments, I have to agree with ex-lurkdawg about reading comments: we can read them on our own. Bring on the Vino!

    I also agree with my2cents about doing a show on MADEIRA–love it! This stuff, like Sherry, is one of the world’s most underrated, underappreciated wines. You get serious complexity for about 20-30 bones! It’s also great in all kinds of sauces and can last forever sitting on your kitchen counter, as it’s already been fully oxidized.

    FUN FACT: Madeira was hugely popular in 18th Century America. The signing of The Declaration of Independence, as well as George Washington’s Inauguration, were both toasted with Madeira!

  • Oh…. I liked the way you blew that guy off when he stated talking about wine and the bible….that was funny.

    And I was wondering what happens to those unused bottles too!!! You should put them out for people to taste out by the tasting table. I for one would be in everyday to try them……especilly when you tape 4-5 shows in one day.

    🙂

  • Oh…. I liked the way you blew that guy off when he stated talking about wine and the bible….that was funny.

    And I was wondering what happens to those unused bottles too!!! You should put them out for people to taste out by the tasting table. I for one would be in everyday to try them……especilly when you tape 4-5 shows in one day.

    🙂

  • DogD

    Yo Gary V, this is Vic from Castle Winery…..heard you were bashing my Pinot huh? That’s cool, but at least give me a chance to let you try my Chardonnay (we actually put I Can’t Believe it’s Not Butter into our Cedar barrels during the aging process to give it that smooth buttery taste…and without all the calories!) You can’t find that anywhere else. I also don’t appreciate you insinuating that I’m in the business just because it’s “cool” and “trendy” to be growing Pinot right now but I’ll have you know that after I made my fortune inventing an automatic banana peeler, I decided that my liking for Barefoot White Zin was more than just an afternoon drinking buddy, it was my passion. So after a couple batches of successful mead (successful meaning the morning after I dropped it off at Delta Sigma Pi, UC Davis’ premiere business frat, there were at least four people passed out on the front lawn), I decided to go into winemaking myself. Now look at me. Anyway let me know when we can sit down and talk about some junk.

    (disclaimer: not really Vic)

  • DogD

    Yo Gary V, this is Vic from Castle Winery…..heard you were bashing my Pinot huh? That’s cool, but at least give me a chance to let you try my Chardonnay (we actually put I Can’t Believe it’s Not Butter into our Cedar barrels during the aging process to give it that smooth buttery taste…and without all the calories!) You can’t find that anywhere else. I also don’t appreciate you insinuating that I’m in the business just because it’s “cool” and “trendy” to be growing Pinot right now but I’ll have you know that after I made my fortune inventing an automatic banana peeler, I decided that my liking for Barefoot White Zin was more than just an afternoon drinking buddy, it was my passion. So after a couple batches of successful mead (successful meaning the morning after I dropped it off at Delta Sigma Pi, UC Davis’ premiere business frat, there were at least four people passed out on the front lawn), I decided to go into winemaking myself. Now look at me. Anyway let me know when we can sit down and talk about some junk.

    (disclaimer: not really Vic)

  • Mike Calmus

    QOTD: somewhere between 10 and 20, I guess

  • Mike Calmus

    QOTD: somewhere between 10 and 20, I guess

  • Biznas

    Butter bandit T-shirt needs to happen. Get me an XL

    Thanks, Gary Love and appreciate the show

  • Biznas

    Butter bandit T-shirt needs to happen. Get me an XL

    Thanks, Gary Love and appreciate the show

  • Scott TC

    QOTD : This make 3.

    Please do NOT do a show on any of the fortified wines. Your bump might start a freekin trend and make them even harder to find. Now to got get some ice cream with a little PX.

  • Scott TC

    QOTD : This make 3.

    Please do NOT do a show on any of the fortified wines. Your bump might start a freekin trend and make them even harder to find. Now to got get some ice cream with a little PX.

  • DrEdwardo

    QOTD: 20-ish

  • DrEdwardo

    QOTD: 20-ish

  • TWalk

    Prob around 100 or 150…. Great to have you back ruling the thunder show

  • TWalk

    Prob around 100 or 150…. Great to have you back ruling the thunder show

  • TommyB

    Hi Gary, as an English man who is more into his “old world” wine than new can you give me any pointers for introducing me to quality American wine? Any particular area’s that stand out? I don’t like too much oak and I don’t like wine that is too sweet! I am looking for American wine that is like the Argentina/ Chile/ Italy type – honest, terroir driven, great value and enjoyable. They must exist but I need to be pointed in the right direction! I go to the English supermarkets and all I see is Ernest & Julio, Blossom Hill, Napa Valley merlot; there must be more to your great nation! Kind regards, Tom Bexton, Plymouth, England.

  • TommyB

    Hi Gary, as an English man who is more into his “old world” wine than new can you give me any pointers for introducing me to quality American wine? Any particular area’s that stand out? I don’t like too much oak and I don’t like wine that is too sweet! I am looking for American wine that is like the Argentina/ Chile/ Italy type – honest, terroir driven, great value and enjoyable. They must exist but I need to be pointed in the right direction! I go to the English supermarkets and all I see is Ernest & Julio, Blossom Hill, Napa Valley merlot; there must be more to your great nation! Kind regards, Tom Bexton, Plymouth, England.

  • Alex Coppice

    QOTD: This would be my 2nd comment. I’ve been watching since January 2009 I suppose. Great show and very educative, specially as I am progressing trough WSET courses in my school at the moment. Got the Intermediate test next thursday.. Wish me luck. Our teacher is very very very picky. 😉

  • Alex Coppice

    QOTD: This would be my 2nd comment. I’ve been watching since January 2009 I suppose. Great show and very educative, specially as I am progressing trough WSET courses in my school at the moment. Got the Intermediate test next thursday.. Wish me luck. Our teacher is very very very picky. 😉

  • Scruff

    QOTD: 20+

    Bring in the butter bandit vs. oak monster smackdown t-shirt (and show?)

  • Scruff

    QOTD: 20+

    Bring in the butter bandit vs. oak monster smackdown t-shirt (and show?)

  • Gary, thank you for tasting the Castle 2005 Pinor Noir Estate, Los Carneros. I am surprised you found this wine distasteful as it actually won a few medals including a GOLD in the 2008 San Francisco International Wine Competition. Perhaps you just purchased a bad bottle…we actually sold out of this wine fairly quickly and have had nothing but high praises from customers!

  • Brian Barrick

    I live close enough to Carneros that I spend a lot of time there, mostly hanging out at Domaine Carneros. By far the best use of Chardonnay is in sparkling wine.

    For good value in Pinot Noir from Carneros, I generally stick with Mahoney Vineyards. Their tasting room in downtown Napa (tasteatoxbow.com) is worth checking out.

    For those who can afford a higher price point, Adastra makes some outstanding wines, especially the Proximus series.

    I wouldn’t write off Castle Vineyards based on a single sample. They changed ownership in 2006 and I can tell you that the 2006 wines (which I tasted at the Holiday in Carneros event in November) are better than the 2005. They also have a very interesting lineup of other wines, including a Viognier, Zin, Syrah, Petite Sirah, Grenache, and a decent Rose.

    QOTD: I’ve probably left about 30 comments. I really appreciate that you listen and respond to your fans. Keep bringing the thunder!

  • Gary, thank you for tasting the Castle 2005 Pinor Noir Estate, Los Carneros. I am surprised you found this wine distasteful as it actually won a few medals including a GOLD in the 2008 San Francisco International Wine Competition. Perhaps you just purchased a bad bottle…we actually sold out of this wine fairly quickly and have had nothing but high praises from customers!

  • Brian Barrick

    I live close enough to Carneros that I spend a lot of time there, mostly hanging out at Domaine Carneros. By far the best use of Chardonnay is in sparkling wine.

    For good value in Pinot Noir from Carneros, I generally stick with Mahoney Vineyards. Their tasting room in downtown Napa (tasteatoxbow.com) is worth checking out.

    For those who can afford a higher price point, Adastra makes some outstanding wines, especially the Proximus series.

    I wouldn’t write off Castle Vineyards based on a single sample. They changed ownership in 2006 and I can tell you that the 2006 wines (which I tasted at the Holiday in Carneros event in November) are better than the 2005. They also have a very interesting lineup of other wines, including a Viognier, Zin, Syrah, Petite Sirah, Grenache, and a decent Rose.

    QOTD: I’ve probably left about 30 comments. I really appreciate that you listen and respond to your fans. Keep bringing the thunder!

  • PDXserver

    2 comments total, lame i know. Cause i’m from here, i’ll throw it out: how about a review of Willamette Valley chardonnays? thanks so much Gary!

  • PDXserver

    2 comments total, lame i know. Cause i’m from here, i’ll throw it out: how about a review of Willamette Valley chardonnays? thanks so much Gary!

  • CBone

    QOTD: I think a few hundred…it must be by now.

    Such strong reactions to the last guest! Gosh…at least you got to try a wine you gave 95 points to!

  • CBone

    QOTD: I think a few hundred…it must be by now.

    Such strong reactions to the last guest! Gosh…at least you got to try a wine you gave 95 points to!

  • Red

    QOTD: ~5 but will make an earnest effort to stop being such a lurkerface.

    I fully agree with your sentiments on the Rombauer. As a N. Californian I just have to roll my eyes at the way Rombauer and the $30 butter bandit Chards continue to fly off the shelf at local grocery stores and wine shops. Cheers to the producers brave enough to avoid overoaking their Chards.

    BTW, your use of the word “play” doesn’t bother me. In fact, I find it quite endearing.

  • Red

    QOTD: ~5 but will make an earnest effort to stop being such a lurkerface.

    I fully agree with your sentiments on the Rombauer. As a N. Californian I just have to roll my eyes at the way Rombauer and the $30 butter bandit Chards continue to fly off the shelf at local grocery stores and wine shops. Cheers to the producers brave enough to avoid overoaking their Chards.

    BTW, your use of the word “play” doesn’t bother me. In fact, I find it quite endearing.

  • */^_^*

    QOTD: was going to say 100, but then realized just how many shows i’ve watched (time flies), and pushed it to ….~200?

    cannot say if i agree with the comments regarding the last episode. i skipped part 2. part 1 was….uh…(in wine terminology)…dry.

  • */^_^\*

    QOTD: was going to say 100, but then realized just how many shows i’ve watched (time flies), and pushed it to ….~200?

    cannot say if i agree with the comments regarding the last episode. i skipped part 2. part 1 was….uh…(in wine terminology)…dry.

  • Murso

    Yes the Rombauer Chard style may be big, bold, even ‘goopy’, but the fans make no mistake that they’re getting their money’s worth… I recall back in the mid nineties, my introdution to their El Dorado Zin, and Napa Merlot made equally and particularly strong impressions. Through the years, winemaker Gregory Graham (a Westlake, Ohio native) has displayed remarkable consistency in a house style, and happily, the wines have also shown a constancy in their price points, and relative values. I think the wines of his own winery have shown a bit more diversity in range, yet more subtlety in hand, maybe due to diff. fruit sourcing over the years. Always interesting and engaging efforts, overall. I’m sure that Rom. Chard is their bread and butter, so to speak, and you wouldn’t look a quarterhorse gift horse in the mouth…

    Been watching c. episode 400, Feb, 2008. Prob comment about 75% of the time.

  • Murso

    Yes the Rombauer Chard style may be big, bold, even ‘goopy’, but the fans make no mistake that they’re getting their money’s worth… I recall back in the mid nineties, my introdution to their El Dorado Zin, and Napa Merlot made equally and particularly strong impressions. Through the years, winemaker Gregory Graham (a Westlake, Ohio native) has displayed remarkable consistency in a house style, and happily, the wines have also shown a constancy in their price points, and relative values. I think the wines of his own winery have shown a bit more diversity in range, yet more subtlety in hand, maybe due to diff. fruit sourcing over the years. Always interesting and engaging efforts, overall. I’m sure that Rom. Chard is their bread and butter, so to speak, and you wouldn’t look a quarterhorse gift horse in the mouth…

    Been watching c. episode 400, Feb, 2008. Prob comment about 75% of the time.

  • Murso

    p.s. That’s around 160 comments, or my provervial $3.20. (2 cents 160 x.)

  • Murso

    p.s. That’s around 160 comments, or my provervial $3.20. (2 cents 160 x.)

  • Murso

    ad nauseum….

    Had some Neyers Chards w/ 91, 92 points (WA)several years ago, and didn’t they make the WS Top 100 back around 2005? I keep imagining in my mind that they had a bottling from Arroyo Seco, but I must be mistaken, and can’t grip on whom I’m mistaking hem for.

    I couldn’t really inspect this episode yesterday, cause I too, had some real compression problems w/ viewing…

  • Murso

    ad nauseum….

    Had some Neyers Chards w/ 91, 92 points (WA)several years ago, and didn’t they make the WS Top 100 back around 2005? I keep imagining in my mind that they had a bottling from Arroyo Seco, but I must be mistaken, and can’t grip on whom I’m mistaking hem for.

    I couldn’t really inspect this episode yesterday, cause I too, had some real compression problems w/ viewing…

  • Wow, I cannot wait to go back and watch the last few episodes! I have been really busy this past week or so, so I have been slacking on my WLTV. I have, however commented about 100 times in the recent past, after lurking for quite a while.

    Too bad the pinot was weak, but fun show anyway!

  • Wow, I cannot wait to go back and watch the last few episodes! I have been really busy this past week or so, so I have been slacking on my WLTV. I have, however commented about 100 times in the recent past, after lurking for quite a while.

    Too bad the pinot was weak, but fun show anyway!

  • Dude! Bone Marrow, in Mexico we make delicious tacos out of “tuétano” (a bone marrow preparation), it’s a real treat, and you have to try them with a strong Cabernet to fully appreciate th dish.

    For a while I thought “Los Carneros” was a vineyard with an infestation of rams and from that the name until just last year actually. Good thing we have you to show us the “Ways of the Vino.”

    Thanks a bunch for your praise as followers of this show. Crush It!

  • Dude! Bone Marrow, in Mexico we make delicious tacos out of “tuétano” (a bone marrow preparation), it’s a real treat, and you have to try them with a strong Cabernet to fully appreciate th dish.

    For a while I thought “Los Carneros” was a vineyard with an infestation of rams and from that the name until just last year actually. Good thing we have you to show us the “Ways of the Vino.”

    Thanks a bunch for your praise as followers of this show. Crush It!

    QOTD: probably around 100 or so.

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