EP 859 Tasting with Michael Twelftree of Two Hands Wines – Part 2

Concluding the tasting with Gary Vaynerchuk and Michael Twelftree, the co-owner of Two Hands Wines.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2008 Two Hands Bella’s Garden Barossa Valley Shiraz
2007 Ares Barossa Valley Shiraz


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luca bercelli

90/100

The guest’s wine knowledge is pretty catholic, and he’s a good guy but, as if the first part he’s boring as hell. And what’s with his ‘Vander nation’ quip. It’s Vayner Nation bro

Tags: Australian, Barossa, red, review, shiraz, Video, wine, wines

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  • Excited! Are we looking to break the three part record?

  • orangebottle

    #2 Mott!

  • castello

    top 5

  • David K.

    Toronto LOVES Two Hands…!
    Ares and Aphrodite are Amazing!

  • drt999

    qotd — get importers who can provide a wider slection and better info to the wine shops!

  • mattgmann

    server under strain?

  • cellarrat5

    awww yeah, my fix is in. More later

  • Cubatobaco (Ray)

    #8

    Going to watch the episode in about an hour. I can't wait…

  • Just Jack

    Great guest and both parts entertained and informed. I do feel that, just a little bit, GV let himself get rolled regarding the wines themselves. If that Jammy fruit turns goopy on the finish he should let us know. I got the distinct impression that he appreciated the skill and detail in the wines, but that they didn't fit his palate. In other words this would have been a great episode to do a bonus after show on.

  • rwino

    qod: Bring down prices, balance, balance, balance, and let the vineyard show in the wine. To many Aussie wines taste the same, are not unique. That said, Two hands seems to be doing a great job, though in this economy the prices are a bit much. I have tried Ares, and I can get similar flavor profile for $60.00 or less right now as many big hitters are dumping their wines at 50-70% off.

  • mattgmann

    qotd: More good inexpensive wines.

    There are bundles of great Aussie wines, but they are all in the second and third tier of pricing. On the other end of the spectrum, the entry level $10-$20 wines are rubbish. If Oz could up the quality of their every day drinkers they could get more market share across the board.

    For example. Domaine Pegau makes a delicious table wine in the CdP style that goes for $14. I love it. Hence I'm more likely to drop real coin on their Cuvee. (the 07 is frickin phenomenal btw).

  • Allan

    Top 10
    ?
    ; )

  • mattgmann

    +1

  • johnfarrin

    Alright, been looking forward to this.

  • Fun episode. I'm intrigued to know the flavor profile of an australian sauv blanc/semillon.

    QOTD: I'm not really well nuanced with australian wine but from this interview it sounds like the cost of importing from Australia to the US is high? So then the higher quality wine becomes unattainable for the non-ballers. Maybe all that can be done is educate (like through WLTV) on the virtues of australian wine and then hope we start asking our wine shops for more of it. I know I'm going to go to see what my guy has in stock after work today.

  • Yo Micheal can I find this in Sweden?
    Boy is this Aussie a salesman 🙂
    Of course Australia have a place in my cellar , every land deserve a place..
    QOTD: Let the land, sun and wind speak it's on language, don't mess it up with that over the top oak. That's it. I love Australia, been teher twice and going there next year to celebvrate my 50-th and will be a wine trip from Perth to Sydney.

  • plcb

    I haven't watched yet but I have to comment that I've had these wines at PLCB Chairman's Selection tasting events. We sold the heck out of the Bella's Garden at Christmas time. Now we have the the Ares and it is selling quite well.

  • Paul C

    Bought a (half) case of the Suduiraut 09 as well as a case of the Lafaurie Peyraguey 09. Yum. How's the 2009 barrel samples looking Gary?

    Australia? OK they've made progress, I agree, but we know where the best wines are to be found . . .

    “My God, it's full of stars” – Bowman's last words after tasting the 2009 Latour.

  • Anonymous

    Hello Ray,

    What wines do you like with a good cigar. I like late harvest Zin Ports and Louie XIII.

  • steve r

    qotd- more varietals would be sweet. i love some of the two hands wines but it seems like the shiraz is the only one that can be easily gotten. but then again i drink aussies probably 45 percent of the time.

  • pawncop

    Very good two part episode. Michael, you held your own against Mr. Vaynerchuk and that is an accomplishment of some significance. You represent Australia well.

    QOTD – Still being somewhat new to the wine world I cannot give you anything more specific that to concentrate on excellent QPR.

    I love the styles and am presently focused on learning more about the Shiraz/Syrah offerings that are out there.

    I have enjoyed serveral from your land and will try more.

    Thank you both for a a very enlightening session.

  • Allan

    Dude, du er ved at blive gammel? ; )

    Kan du have en god tur….!

  • Meh.

    QOTD: Have a little balance to your wines. A large portion of the wines are just over the top in alcohol and lack a real sense of place. One of the few distinct Auzzies I have had was an 01 dead arm last year and it was finally getting to a pleasing place, maybe they just need lots of time.

  • Allan

    Australia makes some of the greatest wines in the world!!!!

    Qotd: keep on doin' what your doin' already mates…. It's quite awesome if you ask me…

    I really loved this guest G. The passion just shines through it all…..

    Even you need a stool to sit on after this awesome show….

    Keep up the good times, and support the ones you want to keep.

  • Big_al

    Good question, wish I had the answer. Kudos to Michael for getting out and promoting his wines. As everyone knows, $50 Austalian wines (or wines from anywhere) are not flying off the shelves these days. Have yet to try a 'Two Hands' wine but they are available in my market so I may have to step up to the plate and give one a shot.

  • Cubatobaco (Ray)

    Hi Larbear!

    How did you guess I smoked cigars…lol! It depends on my mood, but Zins are great and, of course the obvious one, Port (Grahams 1970 comes to mind). In the summer, a light cigar with a classic Chard or Reisling will do the trick. I don’t have the dough to drink Louis XIII…lol.

  • cellarrat5

    Am I the only one that thinks its shocking how long that affair with the oak monster lasted? About a week or less it seems, which is fine I completely understand. What I don?t understand is how everyone was singing the smaller Oz producers praises when Gary was in Sydney, and now everyone has jumped back on the Australia bashing bandwagon. I agree that some Australian wines occasionally lack balance regarding alcohol and fruit. And I would also agree that they have not done a good job marketing in the U.S. or finding a suitable price point for the “second tier” range. However, there are (as was mentioned in this ep and the previously mentioned ep) wines that bring enormous amounts of thunder to Gary?s, mine and according to some previous episodes Vayniacs world. That being said I only wish they were less expensive and more accessible in the States.

    There, I answered the QOTD in my little rant. I agree with most of the commenter?s, but we Vayniacs often are quick to dismiss the good and comment on what we believe is not so good.

  • Smahlatz

    Hmm hard to say – as the Vayner (not vander) nation also includes dodgy aussies like myself :). But – living in the UK, what I would say is that in the sub £7-£12 category, I can get some great terroir driven wines from the South of France, and even decent Bordeaux – but good Aussie wines at this price are hard to find – and a lot I think comes back to the big company domination/mass production issue – especially in the supermarkets. Mind you, I have seen some Adelaide Hills wines (I think my favourite region after visiting here recently) coming into focus here now, and I think there is value to be had with some real wines.

  • Allan

    Read my comment please!

    Aussie wine rock big time, and have done so, for many years now!

    Fuck of Napa! sorry ; )

  • johnfarrin

    I'm a fan of Austrailian Shiraz, Chardonnay, and Cabernet although most of the Shiraz's I've had have been in the $8-15 range. Examples are Pillar Box Red, 2006 Marquis Philips, 2008 d'Arenberg Stump Jump. All have that delicious factor and are just plain enjoyable to drink. I've mentioned the 2005 Hewitson Private Cellar Shiraz/Mouvedre blend on WLTV before that was one of my transitional wines that introduced me to the more serious efforts in Australia. It has balance in spades. I have some other medium-high-end bottles in my racks that I'm waiting on and eagerly anticipating. Fortunately, I bought multiple bottles of each so that I can taste them at different stages of their lives.

    QOTD: Maybe a little less pandering to the lowest common denominator.

  • NY Pete

    hey hey

  • Randall

    mY ttypingh iz gEttiNg wurse ant wOrsse… Time 2 caal it kwitz…

  • golflarsen

    Great episode!!
    The answer to the q is simple. If people would stop buying all their wines in their local supermarket, and made an effort to seek out a specialized store where they could get some professional help in selecting what they are looking for, they would realize that Aussie wines are more than just power and one dimentional fruit bombs. Also, more of what we saw from Michael will also enlighten many…I am a huge fan of Australian wines. And yes, it is possible to find balance down under. Just bought a bunch of Mitolo's. Adore what they do. And yes,a cellar without a little Aussie richness, is not complete. Love the show Gary. Keep it up.

  • Allan

    Yessss! I agree with you completely!!!!

    Rock on!!!!

  • A dumb Rhein king

    Preach on my brotha! Winemakers – Put useful info on the web and interact on social sites. It is how we Millenials will be able to identify with your brand.

    QOTD: I don't know if I have any kind of great answer for that. I've never had a prejudice against Australian wines. Only thing that I can say is get your wines out to the suburbs so that Australian wines become more visible to a larger audience. I see a boat load of California wines because I'm sure that is what the distributer is pushing.

  • Anonymous

    I think Gary V. needs to man up and do a wine paring with one of the cigars of the year. Say a Padron 1926 serie 9. BTW, there are some other cognacs that are nearly as good as the Louie, but much less money.

  • Andre Mack rules! http://bit.ly/b8JEFj

  • Enjoyed the two-parter, Gary. Thanks!

  • Michael – I think that Australia should try to focus more marketing dollars on varietals outside of Shiraz. Many people only think of Shiraz when they think of Australia, with the result that if they're not in the mood for Shiraz, they don't skip Australia all together (most American grocery stores have all Australian wines in one section). So if people were to get used looking in the Australian section for a Clarie Valley Riesling or perhaps a Hunter Valley Semillon, they may notice that delicious bottle of Shiraz and decide to buy it after all.

  • guymandude

    great second part!

  • beardedmystery

    QOTD: 1. Australia has so many different kinds of wine to offer consumers, the fruit bombs, the oak monsters, and some well balanced beautiful wines. 2. Wines with very interesting and “catchy” labels. 3. Some of the most delicious wines I've had. What they could use is more sponsored tastings at points of sale. Also marketing the single vineyard wines and the winemakers.

    The one thing they should avoid is making too cloying of wines. I've often times have had an Aussie wine that I loved and then went back to the store to try another time and got turned off by the sweetness. Or it could be my palate evolving.

    Thanks for dropping all the knowledge!

  • corkscrew

    Once again an entertaining guest. QOTD-I never disconnected, still love the big fruit bombs, just mix them in with old world and normal world wines. http://www.winelx.com

  • guymandude

    Amen

  • zrm

    over all a great guest!

    QOD: eliminate yellow tail. Cause thats the Australian wine people have. It is just so fake and bad. I really don't know if i have had an aussie wine other than yellowtail

  • Now that was a fun, fun show and your guest was knowledgeable and straight-forward. No BS, he loves his wines which he should and does not apologize. Like his partner next to him. He tells it like it is.

    QOTD: IMHO, I would like to see more herbaceous and complex red wines instead of the punch-you-in-the-face over the top wines., i.e. “fruit bombs.” They have a myriad of white wines that are fun to try but the reds need to tone it down a bit. Just my 2 cents and taste. 15.8% alc! I wouldnt go near it no matter how great it was.

  • ^^ agree

  • jparadise

    Great episode keep the good guests rolling.

    QotD: I would have to say, price points. He talked about an “entry level” wine at $25. The problem is if he's going after the younger generation then that's still a bit high. That bottle will be $40-$50 in a restaurant and probably $30+ here in nyc and if I can get great wines for $15-$20 that's where I'm going. The Aussie wines that do come in at the lower prices are the ones that have tarnished their rep so up the QPV quotient.

  • Very nice…

    QOTD: an Aussie wine with the style of Medoc, that would be interestng (or Haut Medoc, I don't know if there are any)…

  • Jeff_RockyRiver

    Really enjoyed having Michael as a guest. Great to see.

    QTD – I was on the Australian bandwagon from the '98 vintage to roughly '05 vintages. Therefore i am stockpiled with Aussie wines. One thing I have noticed in Northeast Ohio is the lack of diversity. Back when I bought, I was able to find different brands (from Killibinbin to Plantagenet to Sparky's wines). More so now, the Aussie section has been reduced significantly (more shelf space for Malbec's, Spain, Chile, etc.) with many features now centering on the Ringland/Grateful Palate or entry level Marquis wines. Anything above the $30 price point is rare. Back to the question of the day – What can you do? Very tough to say, because I don't have a clear cut answer. I'll go with a need to continually look at prices, reduce if possible, and attempt to differentiate your wine from the producers that bottle high volumne wines with the catchy name or animal on the label. Best of luck as I admit it is a very daunting task.

    Note: I broke open an '03 Angel's Share for dinner tonight after watching the episodes. Overall, a nice wine although the $28 price sticker (back in say, '05) does have me questioning where I would now put that money to. I could buy, in Ohio, a Ridge Lytton Springs ($30) for that money or a Chappelett Mountain Cuvee ($27), both very respectable bottles … so that just leaves me, as a consumer, wondering. If I was buying today, unfortunately I would put my money, $30, to California.

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