Great two parter.

QOTD: I think I’m a little young to really know for sure. I think that it has a heads up today that wine didn’t in the early 80’s, which is cheap advertisement to a larger audience and an audience that is perhaps more ready to embrace a new beer as opposed to what the wine world probably was like.

Sly one…

Well Randall was right
Bill came on strong in the end.
A good two part show.

Absolutely!

hey G.v. can you interupt your guest anymore. Victory is in my top five craft breweries and just wish you would let Bill finish a damn sentence geez!

One of the distributors in Oregon had a bunch one time I was drinking it and Blind Pig like water. Then they ran out and I haven’t seen it since 🙁

Question of the day:
No, Quality is good now
Wine then could improve.

Yes, we bicyclists love wine. But the cycling subculture LOVES beer! –

QotD – Really good Q, Bill, but many are gonna be too young to have ben there. I am, just marginally, acceptably old enough to say I was there, watching – (18, in ’79)- but wasn’t going to learn much of significance – even through those oceans of college beer. My epiphany was to get into fine dining – an accident , in ’86.

Beer (craft) is leagues, to, maybe even light-years ahead of where even wine was, ’78-’84.
1. The entire orthodoxy of the American business company (w/out getting into tons of complicated politics, and economic theories)- was still rooted in the hard -working, honest, tried and true model of the current glorious American century, even as we’d had to watch Carter, and the nation fight disatrous economic collapsing before our eyes. Even in this climate, good winemaking outfits, and dynasties alike, were still going to simply ‘take care of business’, at whatever cost. In the ensuing years, that cost would rise, horrifyingly, and exponentially. The newer, sell-out, holy money, trickle-down lie of Reaganomics was yet to become a reality. The brew revolution opened by Carter’s pen, really grew up (I’d guess), not w/ establishment of Anchor, and the 1st ‘wave’, but following Charlie Papazian(sp?)’s book, and the ‘critical mass’ that had to be reached to gain attention, and viability (there was constant doubt.). Any and all proper ring-contenders HAD to be willing to put up more and more substantial summs of capital, equipment, research, innovation. It was an arms race, if you will. A good one, for beer, and for us.
2. Though the wine appreciation was on a slight growth of popularity, and cultural presence, I would have to guess that if there were a one-two punch marking ground zero in the wine revolution, it might be
A. Creation/formulation of Kendall- Jackson Chardonnay (1982)by Jed Steele, followed by acclaim, and explosive growth.
B. Commercial realization (some several years following ‘creation of “Eye of the Partridge, at Sutter Home Winery) of White Zinfandel. I didn’t look this up, but I think it’s a lag time, from accidental, one-off (bled-off juice)(1976?) – to realized, and bottled product roll-out (early 80’s ,as well).

So, in a sense, wine in that ere (78-84) was still in a latent-nascent stage, relative to it’s next year’s realizations, targets, etc. Comparably, beer, has got, like generously, 25 years behind the heft in it’s initial revolution- and that’s excluding those previous, upstart years (76-85). Sorry for getting too geeky. I hope my facts is all straight enough!

Keep up the walloping great work! Cheers

Yo! Who you in for? The beer-brewin’ Temple Tyler School of Art grad says Victory for cherry and white! Will have friends there, though, cheering for ‘Nova. No matter. Just have great beer and be ready for a great game! – Bill

Murso,
Thanks for weighing in deeply on the question. Your answer/insight has me a bit nervous about potential future consolidation of craft beer chasing the almighty dollar. I’ll hoist a pint of Victory and hope to stay true to the ideals and to your thirst. – Bill

It took you a while
But you made a triple play
A tie then I’d say

Beware of posting
Before the count is finished
If you like fair play

For you to keep up
You’ll have to beat my quadroon
And that’s not easy

We love beer and wine
But competition still rules
When friends write haiku

Four syllables first
Means it’s all over for Jack
Until the next time

😀

Well that just sucks.

Indeed. Thank G*d for tomorrows.

I totally need to get a hold of a few.

QOTD: Oh no question beer is becoming better and consumers more discriminating.

Unbelievable. From “jazz, Americana/alt-country, bluegrass, to beyond avante-garde”? You only need to add “Classical, island riddums, gospel, and other world music” to convince me that we’re brothers separated at birth!! btw Jazz Rules.
And I so totally agree that life is WAY more than $$ signs. I was a subcontractor for years, but have forsaken a lot in recent years to simply LIVE. My wallet may hurt, but my life is worth living.

p.s. It’s people like you, JustJack, castello, cellarrat5, MelbaLI, LisaS, waynooo, Allan, etc etc etc (many others) that keep me loving WLTV… probably more than G himself. What a good thing Gary started…

A great wrap-up to a beer 2-parter. For those interested, definitely check out the book “He Said Beer, She Said Wine”, as it’s a great way to test pairing of wine vs. beer. I know many people have been surprised by the results on a number of occasions. Bill: keep up the great work, and we’ll keep drinking.

QOTD: The evolution was definitely a little different, but I think there are some parallels that can be made with that US wine era. Some brewers really push the envelope on a couple of different perspectives, namely hop content, and most recently (although across the pond) at BrewDog with ABV. I don’t know if there’s any parallels there, other than maybe the high ABV zins, or the “fortified” pinot noirs. Looking forward to hearing many people’s thoughts in November from the Beer Blogger’s Conference.

Love when Gary does beer. His super-palate should make him a beer expert. However, his comments about “urine color” and “ooh, such a big head” (in prior episodes) are totally amateur. And reviews of beers such as Pilsner Urquell make me worry that he’s misinformed about what are the best beers.

Gary – Moises Alou legendarily loved to piss on his hands to rid them of blisters affecting his grip on the bat back in the day. Careful shaking hands with any ember of the Alou family.

Super shows and guest!

Great to see the application of wine tasting and the palate to beer. Since developing my own wine palate, I now seem to have a better palate sense in everything I drink and eat.

QOTD: It could be. I don’t know how much analyzing there is now in the beer world, but if there isn’t much, perhaps this is the time for it.

good show. Beer is here, Beer is there. I’d drink it in the house, I’d drink it with a mouse. yes, Sam I am, I like Beer. Good guest, I like one that doesn’t realize how much he knows. I do like wine more.
GV – you were way in love with the beers, maybe you didn’t spit enough? :* )
QotD: Yes. Finally the rock has come back to beers!

Yes! Whether it’s beer or wine that expands one’s palate, the benefits extend to Everything. Sometimes even beyond the senses of taste and smell…

Yeah, for me it makes me constantly daydream of what amazing thing I’m going to cook/drink after I get home from work 🙂

1. There’s nothing wrong with describing a beer as being the color of urine. It *was* the color of a dehydrated person’s urine. It wouldn’t have been any more or less accurate if he’d described it as “brownish gold” or something like that. It just would have been less colorful, which is a big part of the reason why a lot of us watch WLTV. Likewise, he *did* pour too quickly on the first beer and the head *was* big. You want to pour vigorously enough to develop a strong head and get the aromatics working, but not quite so vigorously. I don’t see why you thought it was amateurish for him to comment on either of these things.

2. I don’t understand how this wasn’t clear to you, since it was states several times, but Gary didn’t choose the beers. Bill Covaleski did, and he didn’t intent to choose the “best beers”, but rather beers comparable to his own beers.