EP 972 Grab Bag Tasting of a Brunello and a Bordeaux

Gary Vaynerchuk picks two reds that have intrigued him, a Brunello from a favorite producer of his and a Bordeaux from the Cotes de Castillon.

Wines tasted in this episode:

2005 Barbi Brunello Di MontalcinoBrunello di Montalcino
2003 Clos Les LunellesRed Bordeaux


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90/100

Lines of the day – ‘Sardine juice meets raspberry juice’ and ‘I’m a huge fan of red radish – Lizzie gets mad because I eat ’em then burp a little and it smells terrible.’

Like the wines, GV gets a bit funky before the Jets big game.

Tags: Bordeaux, Brunello, red, review, Video, wine, wines

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  • Some disappointing wines today. It happens. These short shows are nice and sweet but I like it when you explain the history or have guests on your show and I am totally willing to watch a 30 minute episode

  • Anonymous

    I’m a newbie whose been learning so much from your TV. Dig the football inferences! I live in SOCAL (No PRO team…USC is it). Go Sanchez & JETS!

  • Is cabernet franc a rising buzzword amongst wine lovers who know?
    I asked for a recommendation at TJ’s the other day, and the wine buyer rised his eyebrows when he pointed out that ~cabernet franc~.

  • Anonymous

    That was a half joking response…obviously, it’s easier to keep up with the short ones, but my real answer is to keep mixing it up the way you have been……..which I know is what you’ll do anyway as that’s your DNA. 🙂

  • Anonymous

    You went a bit too low on the Barbi in my opinion, but you were right about dismissing the Galloni score. Galloni is right to shine a light on the beauty and structure of brunello, but as we know with Parker and Chateauneuf du Pape, one can easily ruin a market. Also, 2005 is FAR too young to drink these wines! Barbi is a traditional producer who should know better than to shoot for the kind of ugly manipulation in the 2005. Never had the other one though. Sounds like a really interesting blend.

    QOTD: Immensely enjoy the short cuts. Happy to have a mix with some longer shows on occasion, but would be perfectly fine with seeing a 2 wine, 9-13 minute tasting on a regular, if not principal, basis.

    A side note for GV: We all know you are a busy man. If the short shows work for your crazy schedule with the occasional 1/2 hr show w/guest, I’m one to argue that consistent, but short shows are the best route for the future of this vlog.

  • Anonymous

    Its time to consider bringing back Sir Gary. Maybe on Fridays. Like the ESPN not top 10 on Fridays. This will be the not Jersey GV. More like the pontifical Friday GV. GV from hell.

  • QOTD: I like the mixing-it-up. I really enjoy the long shows that involve guests, etc., but these shorter ones might be more informative, allowing you to deliver a quick message or two on a set of wines. Awesome job and laughed at your crazy faces after tasting the Brunello…

  • Paul Sheridan

    QOTD: Short is good. Sometimes I can settle in for a 36 minute episode, but certainly not always. 8-12 minutes, and I can almost always make it happen.

  • Anonymous

    Nice show especially the last seconds where Preacher Gary addressed us some deep thoughts.
    Do not apologize for poor wines, it’s part of the game.

    QOTD. I love the shorter episodes. But from time to time a larger one ….. with a great guest, passionate about wine and life ….. oh yeah.
    Avoid boring guests.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: I like short episodes as it is easy to watch them on a regular working day. Sometimes longer ones are also OK-ish but I have to watch them on the weekend, which I only do in case they are interesting. So I have to quote MarcBelgium: “AVOID BORING GUESTS”

    Anyway I am wondering why you use the Burgundy grand cru glass for all wines. I´d rather take the Bordeaux grand cru for many wines you review …?
    Take care
    Steven

  • QOTD: I like this format, at least 10 minutes I think is the right thing with sometimes a guest and a longer episode
    I personally love all the inside infos related to specific vintages or wheater conditions that could have helped or affected a wine in some way.. just like this episode
    thanks Gary

  • Anonymous

    Two wines, ten minutes – ’bout right. Of course, the first time you have a guest it all goes out the window. :-] I’ve had the ’03 Clos les Lunelles (did you mention it’s a Perse wine – same owner as Pavie, etc?) and have also noticed the traits GV mentions – the 2003 vintage can be tricky both in Bordeaux as well as the southern Rhone (St.-Estephe was perhaps the most consistent appellation with its higher percentage of clay soils; less susceptible to drought & vine stress), which also has its share of “cooked” and unbalanced wines. The 2001 Clos les Lunelles (of which I have consumed the better part of a case) is a fantastic Bordeaux and is drinking wonderfully now. It also received a 92-point RP score, but is a totally different animal than the just-average ’03; tons of blackcurrant, cedar, licorice, and black cherries with a long, spicy finish…a true 92+ point wine that I wish I’d purchased more of…especially at around $24 at the time. If you happen to come across well-stored examples of this wine don’t miss it!
    Hope the game is close & exciting; in the NFL you never know – I really think either team could win & will undoubtably come down to whoever does not turn the ball over.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting…how do you believe RP has “ruined” the southern Rhone? If you mean by high-lighting just how great those wines can be & giving them (especially in the last several years) fairly high scores, isn’t that supposed to be his (as well as GV and all the other critics) job? And isn’t that consistent with what he has also done in other regions, ie, Bordeaux? And Galloni (again like all wine critics) is just reporting how he perceived the Barbi at the moment he tasted it. I’m sure an experienced taster is aware that these wines are painfully young and will (probably) improve with cellar time. FWIW, I have never found this producer to be one of the better vinters in the region; I think his wines of late have tended to be less expressive than in the past, but that’s just one persons view (kinda like Gary & RP). As always, the market (not any critic) will decide!

  • Anonymous

    As well as tears and depression when it breaks…

  • Anonymous

    Me too…’course I usually get the cold-shoulder and have to do the dishes afterward. ;-D

  • philoxera

    Sardine Juice on the merlot…Now yer talkin Bozo!!!

  • Anonymous

    You’re basically right; tannins, fruit, wood, & acidity (aka “structure”) must be in balance and the wine needs concentration as the fruit & tannins usually mellow over time. As we all know, ageability does not equal drinkability – some wines may “live” for many decades but never be charming, hedonistic, or balanced…kinda like some people!

  • Have you ever hit a 100+mph serve? Run down a ball from all the way across the court and hit a clean winner? Those things take A LOT of strength and expend a ton of energy, and if you’re not grunting when it happens, you may not be human…

  • Anonymous

    I believe a “bad” wine (in the strictest sense) would be undrinkable; a 80-85 point wine just means it does not possess the charm, fruit, etc that it should for the vintage & price. I have had many 87-88 (as an example) point wines that were, in the context, very enjoyable and good. Of course, those wines were usually under $20. FWIW, it DOES seem like GV has a somewhat wider window of scoring than some, but he’s working with that “passion” handicap! 😉

  • Anonymous

    I thought Thor was the god of thunder (crappy movie to follow soon!)

  • Anonymous

    You wanna cry? Check out the ’09 Bordeaux prices!!!

  • Simon was a tough match, but he is one of the few to have a winning record over Fed (the other two being Murray and Nadal). The other top guys are still dangerous, but if Fed picks up his game in the next round, I like his chances to at least get to next weekend.

  • Anonymous

    You want to see an Episode where GV has a lot of “THUNDER” and on a “Laid Back Friday/Saturday” on “The COUCH”, EPISODE #389. Hilarious, instant reactions, and GV explains how he feels about structure and ageing of wine and he rates a $5 bone bottle. CLASSIC!

  • Anonymous

    QOTD; Tight and focused, good back story, call the wines the way they taste. It works.

  • Anonymous

    He tells jokes too!!?? You are a regular renaissance man!

    I like the direction you are going in this forum, keep it up!

  • Anonymous

    Regarding filtration, as far as I have heard from winemakers I have talked to and the little research I have done often times filtering is walking a fine line (as winemaking is in general many times). Depending on the size of your filter pads and type of filter, some people believe it strips wine of its “character” or can affect certain aspects (e.g. fruit, tannic structure, “drinkability” etc.). Most wineries filter their wine in some way, weather it be directly before bottling or shortly beforehand. Some individuals also believe that “bottle shock” often has something to do with the fact that wine is taken from barrel, often put in holding tanks and then goes directly to bottle, and this process (including the membrane filter than many bottling lines have on them) does not bode well for the wine in general. Of course all this depends on the winemaker (including all the tradition or style of that individual winemaker or winery), the region and technology used at that particular winery. As always there are very few simple answers regarding the art, alchemy, science and luck of winemaking.

  • Anonymous

    Nice, old school Seinfeld refrence!

  • Oakmon’s BF

    The short, tight shows are not particularly a favorite of mine but when you?re trying to tape some shows in advance because you?ll be away, I?m cool with it. I prefer the spontaneous mind meandering of the less tight shows. As many have said, mix it up, variety is good. Information shows from wineries or vineyards would be great. I liked the long episodes you did from wineries in Bordeaux: 234 and 235. Shows like that from other parts of the world would be good. In addition to talking to owners and masters, talk to some of the grunt workers and have them taste along.

  • Anonymous

    I absolutely agree with your assertion that wine critics are just reporting how they perceive the wines and are subjecting the wine (and the wine’s future in this case with a young wine) to their palate and sensibilities. However, one must recognize that focused exposure to certain regions (Rioja and Chateauneuf in particular, and Montalcino in time) have both engendered and coincided with changes in the regions’ wines that begin to strip them of their identity. The power of media and critical thought and personalities, especially in this country, undeniably shape the identity of the wines in areas with a very finite sense of identity. I do recognize that “ruined” is a bit of a strong word, but there is a lot of danger in focusing a palate trained to look for certain jammy, fruit-forward characteristics in wine towards an area known primarily for wines of tannic, powerful, sour, and earthy components in their wines. These palates are trained to gauge public reception. But I can only best liken them to a “Midas touch”, whereby the good and the bad inevitably flow from their interest.

    My primary criticism is not of RP’s palate, or of Galloni’s, but of their remarkably shallow choices in what to critique. Look at Italy for example. Sure, Galloni has opened people up to Sicily a bit, but why not try wines from Campagnia, from Puglia, from Emilia-Romagna, from Marche, from Sardinia? These are underdeveloped wine cultures in the eyes of much of Europe and America, completely different from the overdeveloped Tuscan Montalcino. If anything, some of these areas could use the renaissance in quality and identity that come with increased exposure, without being able to fully remove themselves from the unique terroir.

  • You are a bastion of knowledge. In rotation this week is Kurt Vile “Constant hitmaker” and Quincy Jones “Walking in Space and Bossa Nova.” I might also be getting really into Beach House with their “Teen Dream” album but do not judge me… it is too good to pass up on this time around. I resisted their music like hell (in their previous efforts) but it just feels sooooo right.

    How ’bout you? What is spinning on your Music Hall turntable?

  • Anonymous

    “See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
    Yeah buddy that’s his own hair
    That little faggot got his own jet airplane
    That little faggot he’s a millionaire. . . . ”

  • Anonymous

    One at a time: “Changes in regions’ wines that begin to strip them of their identity.” Hmm. In almost every region there are producers whose wine reflects the ‘modern’ style & the more ‘traditional’ style – in Chateauneuf, for example, you have Clos des Papes, Henri Bonneau, and Beaucastel (traditional). While there are many “fruit-forward, jammy” wines in every appellation on earth, it is because these smart, savy producers know what sells – and for the most part, it ain’t tannic, sour wines. Also, these traits change with winemaker, vintage (2008 produced very few big, jammy wines in CdP), and yes, the ever-changing market. This is all natural and good, without any input from the (many) critics. These small, artisan winemakers still have to survive, ya know. If Robert Parker has done anything, it is to trumpet the natural strengths of these regions; should Australia or Napa fight nature and strive to produce thin, unripe wines that won’t sell? If the average uninformed wine consumer wants the latest 90+ point wine flavor-of-the-month, is it Parkers’ fault or the consumers? If enough people like something, be it wine or candy bars, they try it, stick with it and the “brand” survives. For comment on the shallow nature of the general wine consumer, one need look no farther than “Sideways” or the many who run out to try what Gary liked this week. But people don’t “repeat buy” what they don’t like, and the market will always have the final say. And never before in history has there been so many natural, unmanipulated wines produced as today. Have you ever drunk the vapid, thin, charmless Bordeaux produced in the 1970’s? And on the issue of coverage, Galloni HAS tasted/rated wines from those regions: in issue #190 (less than 6 months ago) he covered Veneto, Alto Adige, Valle d’Aosta, Lombardia, Trentino, Emilia Romagna, Marche, Campania, Puglia, Abruzzo, Molise, Sardinia, and Sicily. True, the size of the coverage was not that huge, but how many of these wines are available in the typical wine shop and (more importantly) when was the last time you heard someone request wine from these areas? Even large publications like Wine Spectator do not have the resources to cover these areas much, if at all.
    Sorry so long, nice discussing’ this interesting topic.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: I’m a big fan of the tight format, Gary. Recently I haven’t been able to watch too much WLTV because I’ve been so busy and I like when I can sit down and get my GV fix in ten minutes. I like the guests too it’s just tough to commit to a half hour when there are a lot of other responsibilities to take care of.

  • Anonymous

    Hell, I grunt when I comb my hair…

  • Anonymous

    Comment below belonged to the “tennis & grunting” thread on page 2.

  • Anonymous

    Wine Spectator SUCKS! ! !

  • Anonymous

    Seems to be some kind of “dead zone” on new, interesting releases of late…picked up those new Nat King Cole reissues (perhaps the greatest ‘pure’ vocalist that ever lived) a few weeks ago. Unbelievable sonics, and from music recorded in the ’50s. Part of my ever-expanding discovery of 50’s – early ’60’s jazz. Like you, was not that impressed with 1st Beach House…will check the latest & get back. Peace.

  • Anonymous

    While 2005 was not as bad as 2002 in Montalcino, it was definitely an off year. I’m not that surprised that the Barbi didn’t show that well. I have not had good luck with the few ’05’s I have tried so I have stayed away from them and purchased some ’04’s. I’m waiting for what is supposed to be a spectacular vintage in ’06 which will be released later this year.

  • Guest

    While 2005 was not as bad as 2002 in Montalcino, it was definitely an off year. I’m not that surprised that the Barbi didn’t show that well. I have not had good luck with the few ’05’s I have tried so I have stayed away from them and purchased some ’04’s. I’m waiting for what is supposed to be a spectacular vintage in ’06 which will be released later this year.

  • Anonymous

    While 2005 was not as bad as 2002 in Montalcino, it was definitely an off year. I’m not that surprised that the Barbi didn’t show that well. I have not had good luck with the few ’05’s I have tried so I have stayed away from them and purchased some ’04’s. I’m waiting for what is supposed to be a spectacular vintage in ’06 which will be released later this year.

  • Anonymous

    QOTD: Tight shows are ok, I’d rather see more in depth about how terroir affects wine. Today when you were online you mentioned about the soil, it’d be cool to go into that effect a bit more. Or geek it up with different grapes or whatever. It’s only constructive criticism, I still love the show!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for pointing out the WS issue on other Italian regions and again for your candid response. I do try and read WS on occasion and have read this issue, but as you conceded, the level and depth coverage to these areas are neither frequent nor comprehensive. In fact, I would really love to see WS make an effort to release more issues of this kind!

    Your response is poignant about the solidarity of the market and I do not disagree that a lot of the changes in wine over the last decade or so are well out of the control of the critics. The market is the very item that has enabled us to access wines from different regions of the world that we never could access before. The market has driven many positive changes in a number of regions which can be touted as a result of such globalization.

    I mean not to profess that I believe RP and WS and others have complete and exclusive control over market production or individual taste, just that they do play a very large role in market education and preference in a young and inexperienced wine culture such as ours. Ours is, of course, a rich market w/huge global impact (we will soon see China and India also begin to impact the global wine market). Yet, when we contrast our market and our media influence with Europe, where familiarity, culture, and consumption of wine are far more developed and ingrained, the influence of the critics here can hardly be downplayed. GV raised this issue a few shows back (can’t remember which one). Further, issues such as “brand power” that you raised have more pervasive appeal in the American market. This is because we are, as a whole, uneducated wine consumers and thus far more reliant on experts for recommendations. We aren’t entirely detached from the “brand power” and stigma of RP and WS either. As such, the power of the media and the power of the market are not mutually exclusive as our opposing stands on this issue seem to suggest. The overlap in many ways and influence each other.

    While the market or the critics do not influence every region or every winery (as you pointed out), I believe that too much change too quickly can strip a wine of it’s soul. Away from it’s terroir, away from what makes it unique. Every wine has a soul. Wine is unlike beer in that wine is cultured and coaxed, while beer is cooked and created. At the time I was living in Italy, I was fortunate enough to develop relationships with some growers there. Upon seeing some of the changes taking place against the backdrop of thousands of years of wine growing history has put into perspective just how fast things are changing. I’m not an absolutist or an anti-market proponent. I don’t hate Australian shiraz for being bombastic and over-oaked. Young regions like California, Virginia, and Australia must find their way in the market sometimes before they find their soul. But I do believe that in many cases and in many regions where the history, market, and tastes are long-established, wine’s soul is being diluted.

  • TheSmirkingLurker

    Gary…..

    This was yesterday’s episode.

    Where is today’s?

    Do I have to remind you, again, about your New Year’s Resolution?

    XOXO, ~TSL

  • Anonymous

    I’ve had the Barbi in years past and it always showed well. This is a disappointment. I like the tight format but brown bag is still my favorite.

  • Anonymous

    I know the question put out at the beginning was about the length of episodes but when you went into descriptions of burping up radishes while making about 25 different facial expressions it occurred to me that the length of the show has very little do with why I watch.

    17-16 Jets Jets Jets Cry Time!

  • Anonymous

    WE MUST BE OFF TO THE STEEL CITY.

    Good Luck Gary (Not Really, Because the Steelers are going to win) Enjoy Pittsburgh

  • Mauricio Rauld

    Antics are what make your shows you, and great! So I prefer the longer format (otherwise I can just read a review). What would be cool is when you tasted disappointing efforts, you gave us a recommendation from the particular region and/or grape varietal that we should seek out (maybe one on the economical side and one on the more pricier side). Good luck this weekend!

  • Anonymous

    I would say the mendoza line of wine is 80 points. The Mendoza line is batting .200 in baseball, nothing special at all, just a line you have to get to to even stay in the Major Leagues. 90 points I would equate to hitting .280 with a little power. For every 10 points in batting average or 5 homeruns over 10 add a point to that 90.

    Sorry, I am baseball nerd.

  • Anonymous

    Wholely Crap, you guys are making my head hurt. Is this what they call Wine Nerd Mating?

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