I’m down with the CKC’s here at Virginia Tech! You need to come speak for our geography of wine class! Love your show, Gary 🙂 GO HOKIES!

Hokie CKC here, come to VaTech! Prof. Boyer loves your show and is a HUGE jets fan!

ANOTHER Hokie CKC here, COME TO VIRGINIA TECH!!!

QOTD: I don’t think I’ve had any expensive disappointments at all in the last 24 months.

GARY VAYNERCHUK, come to Virginia Tech! And drink massive amounts of wine with your number one fans! #CKC

Holy crap, didn’t realize there were this many other Hokie CKCs out there. I guess I have to check in now too. Come on down to Blacksburg Gary!

“BIG AZZZZZZ GLASSSSSS” HAZZZZ TOOOO PAZZZZZ on the KOSHER SHIZAZZZZZZ!
(Nice tight show)

QOTD: A $6000 Bail Bond that wasn’t even for me! 😛

I have no idea what makes a wine kosher. Oh well, guess I can check out the last Kosher show, although I actually don’t care that much, outside the cocktail party trivia value.
QOTD: last night I ordered a Capiaux Pinot (’08 Pisoni), for 85 bucks only to realize 2/3 of the way through the bottle that it was slightly bit definitely corked. Sucked.

Come to our wine class at Virginia Tech! We use you as a part of our learning. Come party! CKC!

Uh oh… the kids from V tech have come out of the woodwork.

Can I hear a U-C-L-A Chant or an 8-Clap? If you don’t know what that is, click the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4NbDpGv0R0

Sorry for the F-bombs.

Gary, have you had a good High End Kosher Wine?
Could you suggest some?

QOTD: Nintendo Wii. I played it for about a week, then got hella bored. HELLA!

You allow some aged alum to attend. ;P

Any pictures?

Sorry. A lot of Kosher products are just insanely expensive. It makes me ill.

QOTD: I bought a nice paper/mat cutter and it broke the third time I used it. Man was I pissed.
And YES Vaynerchuk! Go to VA.TECH! Visit my fellow Techies. 😀

Funny, the Oak Monster doesn’t look Druish… 😛

Thats not good.

qotd; I haven’t bought anything expensive in the past 2 yrs

Mott, FYI: the second tag labels the first wine

QOTD: just over 2 years ago I bought some ski boots that still don’t fit right. I’ve invested about $1000 in to them.

Can you do a review of Bandit or Three Thieves wine? I’m about to have the Bandit merlot and I’m curious if it’s going to be decent.

QOTD: man is the word expensive relative. I bought a $42 bottle of syrah that I heard good things about. It sucked. So much so that I tried to erase it from my memory. I legitimately don’t remember it. It was a CA syrah. That’s it. I’m sure is remember it if I saw it again.

Short show. I know you’ve done Kosher wine shows in the past, but I would have liked a little more info about Kosher wine.

I hope you’re gearing up for the big 1,000. I’m excited my dude. Blow us away!

Yours,

B.S.

QOTD: Utterly wasted $2500 on LSAT classes. The classes DROPPED my score significantly from the initial test I took without studying. So here I am at a top 50 law school instead of a top 10 law school despite the fact that I graduated summa cum laude.

I haven’t ever had a half decent kosher wine worth the price. Not one. Gave up on this crap a long time ago.

As much as the Kosher market segment has improved, it is nevertheless the case that Kosher wine pricing is different. There are a few surprising wines that are competitive at their price point with similar quality non-kosher wines (the Segals’ previously reviewed on WLTV, the Goose Bay wines from NZ and in some vintages Hagafen Napa Cab are examples). But because of the higher production costs, most kosher buyers expect to pay something of a premium. Obviously the premiuim over equal value non-kosher wines for these two wines is way too high. Yet if you want an “apples” to “apples” comparison of equal quality kosher and non-kosher wines, you can look at some of the Bordeaux properties that also issue a Kosher version (Leoville Poyferre, Smith Haut Lafite and Giscours among them). The Kosher almost always sells for at least 20 to 40% more.

There are two different perspectives here: 1) that of the great majority of WLTV watchers, who simply want the best value at the best price and to whom “kosher” is irrelevant; and 2) those who can only drink kosher wine (either all of the time, or on occassions when they are with kosher friends). For the latter group, the premium is not much of an issue (since non-kosher is not an alternative), but they want some degree of quality for their premium dollar.

These two wines were a surprising disapppointment in that regard (although the real retail prices are closer to $55 for the Capcanes and $105 for the Herzog Clone 6). Particularly Herzog has been pretty good at producing a quality, if somewhat overpriced, product. Many of the French are very good values. I’ve been enjoying the Giscours 1999 and 2001 lately, and because they are older vintages was able to buy them at prices similar to the regular wine.

A key in Kosher wine is whether the wines are “mevushal” or not. Without going into detail about the complex rules, a “mevushal” wine is flash pasteurized, one of the two ways, and the less expensive way, of issuing a kosher wine. (Most kosher restaurants can serve only mevushal wine.) Many people believe that mevushal wines will not develop as well over time. It is therefore worth noting, when reviewing these wines, whether the label says “mevushal.” (FYI, neither this Capcanes nor this Herzog are mevushal.)

I agree. QPR. QPR. QPR. The pricing structure is absurd for kosher wines. The point you made about production costs has relevance, but frankly, when compared to non-kosher wines of the same price point, there is no denying kosher wines simply don’t hold up.

GV, you have every reason to be excited about the production expansion and marketing of new kosher wines, but in a post-recession market, not everyone is willing to pay a 40% premium on crap (for that respective price point). Unless you have the brand power of Herzog or a great history of producing quality kosher wines, its adapt or die.

GV…This is why you are so well respected. You tell it like it is and keep us poe folks from burning money on crap. Truthfully though, it’s nice to have an honest front man

Fixed. Thanks

We’re down quite a bit from the 95+ that Gary gave out earlier this week! Oh well, good show. Too bad the wines disappointed.

QOTD: Nothing was extremely disappointing, but I suppose I was pretty upset at the time when the power steering pump on my new (at the time) car went out.

Pazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Nope, not touching it.
QOTD: Good thing you limited to 2 years. I have bought nothing in this crappy economy.