EP 641 Mezcal – Agave that is not Tequila

Richard Betts, of Betts and Scholl fame, teaches Gary Vaynerchuk about this 100% Agave spirit.

Wines tasted in this episode:

Sombra Mezcal

Links mentioned in today’s episode.

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Luca Bercelli

93/100

lone of the day -‘it’s like the oak monster, but it’s the worm monster’

Tremendous episode, tremendous guest. Watching Gary learning is pure entertainment. This is what WLTV is all about; new experiences and knowledgeable, fun guests. Loved it.

Tags: Mexico, Mezcal, review, Spirit, Video

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  • laposte

    Don’t have time for a :30 episode. Brier is on through Sunday, three games a day. Will catch up next week.

  • laposte

    Don’t have time for a :30 episode. Brier is on through Sunday, three games a day. Will catch up next week.

  • The Cook

    k- first off, droppin the F bomb, and not fruit bomb style…i laughed a little out loud.

    psuedo QOTD: no, i never have but im up for it.

    real QOTD: i get mine from having somthing to do, like wine making or school or friends or art or my family or girlfriend even..no joke, honestly little things that make me happy and that i have to look forward to is what gets me out of bed. believe it or not i have this new outlook on life, i figure if i can make somebody’s day each day, its a good day…sounds dumb but try it.

    i know what ur sayin GV about the excited feeling of getting into wine, its such a blast and now that im 21 i can actually get into it, love the journey. awesome show, i like learning about new things like this and it really makes me wanna try it.

    MOTT- i’ll go down to one cig a day if you do it…

  • The Cook

    k- first off, droppin the F bomb, and not fruit bomb style…i laughed a little out loud.

    psuedo QOTD: no, i never have but im up for it.

    real QOTD: i get mine from having somthing to do, like wine making or school or friends or art or my family or girlfriend even..no joke, honestly little things that make me happy and that i have to look forward to is what gets me out of bed. believe it or not i have this new outlook on life, i figure if i can make somebody’s day each day, its a good day…sounds dumb but try it.

    i know what ur sayin GV about the excited feeling of getting into wine, its such a blast and now that im 21 i can actually get into it, love the journey. awesome show, i like learning about new things like this and it really makes me wanna try it.

    MOTT- i’ll go down to one cig a day if you do it…

  • The Cook

    k- first off, droppin the F bomb, and not fruit bomb style…i laughed a little out loud.

    psuedo QOTD: no, i never have but im up for it.

    real QOTD: i get mine from having somthing to do, like wine making or school or friends or art or my family or girlfriend even..no joke, honestly little things that make me happy and that i have to look forward to is what gets me out of bed. believe it or not i have this new outlook on life, i figure if i can make somebody’s day each day, its a good day…sounds dumb but try it.

    i know what ur sayin GV about the excited feeling of getting into wine, its such a blast and now that im 21 i can actually get into it, love the journey. awesome show, i like learning about new things like this and it really makes me wanna try it.

    MOTT- i’ll go down to one cig a day if you do it…

  • Hey Gary, I heard you inquiring about the legal labeling aspects of the term ‘Old Vines’. I actually did a research paper about the term years ago….and indeed it means absolutely nothing here in the US, nor abroad. Not only does the US have no rules or regulations concerning the use of the term, but neither does anybody else! Pretty surprising, considering how anal the Frenchies typically are about labeling. In a random sample I took from wines around the world using the ‘Old Vines’ term on their labels, ages of vines ranged anywhere from 30 years old in parts of France to 130 years old in some Australian and Croatian vines. Totally non-regulated and mis-used term, which subsequently is telling the consumer little to nothing.

  • Hey Gary, I heard you inquiring about the legal labeling aspects of the term ‘Old Vines’. I actually did a research paper about the term years ago….and indeed it means absolutely nothing here in the US, nor abroad. Not only does the US have no rules or regulations concerning the use of the term, but neither does anybody else! Pretty surprising, considering how anal the Frenchies typically are about labeling. In a random sample I took from wines around the world using the ‘Old Vines’ term on their labels, ages of vines ranged anywhere from 30 years old in parts of France to 130 years old in some Australian and Croatian vines. Totally non-regulated and mis-used term, which subsequently is telling the consumer little to nothing.

  • Hey Gary, I heard you inquiring about the legal labeling aspects of the term ‘Old Vines’. I actually did a research paper about the term years ago….and indeed it means absolutely nothing here in the US, nor abroad. Not only does the US have no rules or regulations concerning the use of the term, but neither does anybody else! Pretty surprising, considering how anal the Frenchies typically are about labeling. In a random sample I took from wines around the world using the ‘Old Vines’ term on their labels, ages of vines ranged anywhere from 30 years old in parts of France to 130 years old in some Australian and Croatian vines. Totally non-regulated and mis-used term, which subsequently is telling the consumer little to nothing.

  • George Masiello

    I have to agree with the lenth some of these episodes have been taking. You could lose some followers for lack of patience. Keep it short – 15 min. is good.

  • George Masiello

    I have to agree with the lenth some of these episodes have been taking. You could lose some followers for lack of patience. Keep it short – 15 min. is good.

  • George Masiello

    I have to agree with the lenth some of these episodes have been taking. You could lose some followers for lack of patience. Keep it short – 15 min. is good.

  • AaronB

    QQOTD: Yes.

    Mezcal can be made from many different agave species, while tequila can only be made with blue agave, so mezcal has the potential for a lot more variety and there may actually be one out there that is better than tequila. If there is, I haven’t tried it. The mezcals that I have tried (both in the U.S. and Mexico) have all been noticeably inferior to good tequila (I’m talking real 100% agave tequila, not the cane sugar blended crap). Also, I can drink quality tequila without ever getting a headache, while cheap tequila and mezcal will do it to me every time.

    QOTD: Optimism? What’s that?

  • AaronB

    QQOTD: Yes.

    Mezcal can be made from many different agave species, while tequila can only be made with blue agave, so mezcal has the potential for a lot more variety and there may actually be one out there that is better than tequila. If there is, I haven’t tried it. The mezcals that I have tried (both in the U.S. and Mexico) have all been noticeably inferior to good tequila (I’m talking real 100% agave tequila, not the cane sugar blended crap). Also, I can drink quality tequila without ever getting a headache, while cheap tequila and mezcal will do it to me every time.

    QOTD: Optimism? What’s that?

  • AaronB

    QQOTD: Yes.

    Mezcal can be made from many different agave species, while tequila can only be made with blue agave, so mezcal has the potential for a lot more variety and there may actually be one out there that is better than tequila. If there is, I haven’t tried it. The mezcals that I have tried (both in the U.S. and Mexico) have all been noticeably inferior to good tequila (I’m talking real 100% agave tequila, not the cane sugar blended crap). Also, I can drink quality tequila without ever getting a headache, while cheap tequila and mezcal will do it to me every time.

    QOTD: Optimism? What’s that?

  • CaseyLee

    lots of talk . . . not enough gary
    VV
    wheres the wine ? !

    qotd- its just there.

  • CaseyLee

    lots of talk . . . not enough gary
    VV
    wheres the wine ? !

    qotd- its just there.

  • CaseyLee

    lots of talk . . . not enough gary
    VV
    wheres the wine ? !

    qotd- its just there.

  • QUICK QUESTION: YES.

    OK, I don’t mean to be harsh Gary Vee, I am a long time fan, but: you shouldn’t diss on the goddess of Mezcal: Mayahuel is a mean lady if you disrespect her. And the Mixtec/Zapotec people of whom this drink is inherited from are a proud race that treat their product as if emanated by the gods themselves. Another thing mentioned is the fact that the name is different. well, the original and complete name still in use is “mezcal de tequila” meaning mezcal from tequila, the blue agave is called ‘tequilana weber agave’, or “maguey tequilero”.

    You grow up with this drink in Mexico, and learn to distinguish early on the different kinds, of which are four: -“Mezcal Minero”(virtually unknown outside Oaxaca made with a local type called maguey cirial) -“mezcal de pechuga”(mixed with turkey and chicken breasts before passing through the still the second time) -“mezal curado”(flavored with fruits and wild spices) -“mezcal filtrado”(the common popular Branded kind).
    Three kinds of agave are used, the Espadín, the Arroquense and the Tobalá. It’s almost sad to see that, in the USA at least, mezcal is underrated, dismissed as third world liquor or just plain frowned upon.

    I like mezcal, have loved it all my adult life and it is strange that for some reason, it’s being showcased as a “fashon or mode”. It can be mixed in cocktails and it’s great with sweet food ( specially fruit ).

    BTW: “Bacanora”, “Sotol” (which is anther agavean liquor) and “aguardiente” are all enjoyed by the upper and lower social classes alike, same with tequila and mezcal, it’s a great equalizer.

    And another thing, the worm is not there to cover up bad distillation, it gives it a slightly salty flavor, and a special powder mix is made from dried worms called “sal de gusano (worm salt)” made popular by the “Gusano Rojo” brand in the 1960’s. It’s just a tradition.

    QOTD: I find the positive vibe every day in the small things and the work I do, it builds up tremendously.

    Good Show Gary.

  • QUICK QUESTION: YES.

    OK, I don’t mean to be harsh Gary Vee, I am a long time fan, but: you shouldn’t diss on the goddess of Mezcal: Mayahuel is a mean lady if you disrespect her. And the Mixtec/Zapotec people of whom this drink is inherited from are a proud race that treat their product as if emanated by the gods themselves. Another thing mentioned is the fact that the name is different. well, the original and complete name still in use is “mezcal de tequila” meaning mezcal from tequila, the blue agave is called ‘tequilana weber agave’, or “maguey tequilero”.

    You grow up with this drink in Mexico, and learn to distinguish early on the different kinds, of which are four: -“Mezcal Minero”(virtually unknown outside Oaxaca made with a local type called maguey cirial) -“mezcal de pechuga”(mixed with turkey and chicken breasts before passing through the still the second time) -“mezal curado”(flavored with fruits and wild spices) -“mezcal filtrado”(the common popular Branded kind).
    Three kinds of agave are used, the Espadín, the Arroquense and the Tobalá. It’s almost sad to see that, in the USA at least, mezcal is underrated, dismissed as third world liquor or just plain frowned upon.

    I like mezcal, have loved it all my adult life and it is strange that for some reason, it’s being showcased as a “fashon or mode”. It can be mixed in cocktails and it’s great with sweet food ( specially fruit ).

    BTW: “Bacanora”, “Sotol” (which is anther agavean liquor) and “aguardiente” are all enjoyed by the upper and lower social classes alike, same with tequila and mezcal, it’s a great equalizer.

    And another thing, the worm is not there to cover up bad distillation, it gives it a slightly salty flavor, and a special powder mix is made from dried worms called “sal de gusano (worm salt)” made popular by the “Gusano Rojo” brand in the 1960’s. It’s just a tradition.

    QOTD: I find the positive vibe every day in the small things and the work I do, it builds up tremendously.

    Good Show Gary.

  • QUICK QUESTION: YES.

    OK, I don’t mean to be harsh Gary Vee, I am a long time fan, but: you shouldn’t diss on the goddess of Mezcal: Mayahuel is a mean lady if you disrespect her. And the Mixtec/Zapotec people of whom this drink is inherited from are a proud race that treat their product as if emanated by the gods themselves. Another thing mentioned is the fact that the name is different. well, the original and complete name still in use is “mezcal de tequila” meaning mezcal from tequila, the blue agave is called ‘tequilana weber agave’, or “maguey tequilero”.

    You grow up with this drink in Mexico, and learn to distinguish early on the different kinds, of which are four: -“Mezcal Minero”(virtually unknown outside Oaxaca made with a local type called maguey cirial) -“mezcal de pechuga”(mixed with turkey and chicken breasts before passing through the still the second time) -“mezal curado”(flavored with fruits and wild spices) -“mezcal filtrado”(the common popular Branded kind).
    Three kinds of agave are used, the Espadín, the Arroquense and the Tobalá. It’s almost sad to see that, in the USA at least, mezcal is underrated, dismissed as third world liquor or just plain frowned upon.

    I like mezcal, have loved it all my adult life and it is strange that for some reason, it’s being showcased as a “fashon or mode”. It can be mixed in cocktails and it’s great with sweet food ( specially fruit ).

    BTW: “Bacanora”, “Sotol” (which is anther agavean liquor) and “aguardiente” are all enjoyed by the upper and lower social classes alike, same with tequila and mezcal, it’s a great equalizer.

    And another thing, the worm is not there to cover up bad distillation, it gives it a slightly salty flavor, and a special powder mix is made from dried worms called “sal de gusano (worm salt)” made popular by the “Gusano Rojo” brand in the 1960’s. It’s just a tradition.

    QOTD: I find the positive vibe every day in the small things and the work I do, it builds up tremendously.

    Good Show Gary.

  • zac weiss

    I love it! Gary does his best to stay out of the way and now people WANT HIM BACK!
    I’d take this cue and just do your thing, there’ll always be people who’ll look for imperfections.

    QOTD: unfortunately, I go to sleep with my optimism, I don’t wake with it (grumpy grumpster)
    Excercise does nothing for me in that regard either, strangely, but a good, long (at least an hour) walk, doesn’t matter where, will pick me right up. Gotta do it daily, it’s a NECESSITY!

  • zac weiss

    I love it! Gary does his best to stay out of the way and now people WANT HIM BACK!
    I’d take this cue and just do your thing, there’ll always be people who’ll look for imperfections.

    QOTD: unfortunately, I go to sleep with my optimism, I don’t wake with it (grumpy grumpster)
    Excercise does nothing for me in that regard either, strangely, but a good, long (at least an hour) walk, doesn’t matter where, will pick me right up. Gotta do it daily, it’s a NECESSITY!

  • zac weiss

    I love it! Gary does his best to stay out of the way and now people WANT HIM BACK!
    I’d take this cue and just do your thing, there’ll always be people who’ll look for imperfections.

    QOTD: unfortunately, I go to sleep with my optimism, I don’t wake with it (grumpy grumpster)
    Excercise does nothing for me in that regard either, strangely, but a good, long (at least an hour) walk, doesn’t matter where, will pick me right up. Gotta do it daily, it’s a NECESSITY!

  • Bromidedrag

    BTW, Yes… I’ve had Mezcal in Oaxaca actually about 5 or so years ago.

    Para todo mal, mezcal; For all hardships, mezcal.
    Para todo bien, también. For all wellness, as well.

  • Bromidedrag

    BTW, Yes… I’ve had Mezcal in Oaxaca actually about 5 or so years ago.

    Para todo mal, mezcal; For all hardships, mezcal.
    Para todo bien, también. For all wellness, as well.

  • Bromidedrag

    BTW, Yes… I’ve had Mezcal in Oaxaca actually about 5 or so years ago.

    Para todo mal, mezcal; For all hardships, mezcal.
    Para todo bien, también. For all wellness, as well.

  • Jameus

    GV’s Fake QOTD: I’ve had mezcal before! A good friend brought a bottle to a weekend icefishing trip one year.

    The Real QOTD: By nature I’m a very optimistic person. It helps to have an amazing family also. Watching my 15month baby girl learn new things every day gives me great peace and serenity.

  • Jameus

    GV’s Fake QOTD: I’ve had mezcal before! A good friend brought a bottle to a weekend icefishing trip one year.

    The Real QOTD: By nature I’m a very optimistic person. It helps to have an amazing family also. Watching my 15month baby girl learn new things every day gives me great peace and serenity.

  • Jameus

    GV’s Fake QOTD: I’ve had mezcal before! A good friend brought a bottle to a weekend icefishing trip one year.

    The Real QOTD: By nature I’m a very optimistic person. It helps to have an amazing family also. Watching my 15month baby girl learn new things every day gives me great peace and serenity.

  • Coleridge

    I have never had mezcal before but i am curious to try now…

    personally my optimism is found by enjoying life/living… i enjoy tasting, enjoy laughing, enjoy success, enjoy learning, enjoy music… all these things give me optimism through the rough times… it might be a catch 22 as life might be good because I’m optimistic but hey if you have to live why not enjoy it.

  • Coleridge

    I have never had mezcal before but i am curious to try now…

    personally my optimism is found by enjoying life/living… i enjoy tasting, enjoy laughing, enjoy success, enjoy learning, enjoy music… all these things give me optimism through the rough times… it might be a catch 22 as life might be good because I’m optimistic but hey if you have to live why not enjoy it.

  • Coleridge

    I have never had mezcal before but i am curious to try now…

    personally my optimism is found by enjoying life/living… i enjoy tasting, enjoy laughing, enjoy success, enjoy learning, enjoy music… all these things give me optimism through the rough times… it might be a catch 22 as life might be good because I’m optimistic but hey if you have to live why not enjoy it.

  • Big Ben

    Great Episode!
    QOTD #1: No, but I will soon.
    Mott, everyone else may hate me for saying this but smoke ’em while you’ve got ’em (especially with this SCHIP crap).
    QOTD #2: My optimism comes from my hopes that one day my beautiful fiancee and I will be married and have healthy, happy children and that I will be able to be the best father to them that I can.

  • Big Ben

    Great Episode!
    QOTD #1: No, but I will soon.
    Mott, everyone else may hate me for saying this but smoke ’em while you’ve got ’em (especially with this SCHIP crap).
    QOTD #2: My optimism comes from my hopes that one day my beautiful fiancee and I will be married and have healthy, happy children and that I will be able to be the best father to them that I can.

  • Derek R

    I’ve had mezcal..like 12-13 years ago…i remember a smokey bacon taste WELL.
    Thought it was bad tequila, turns out it was just bad mezcal. Might add some to my bar and see how the peeps like it.

    QOTD: My Wife and Daughter.

    ~D

  • Derek R

    I’ve had mezcal..like 12-13 years ago…i remember a smokey bacon taste WELL.
    Thought it was bad tequila, turns out it was just bad mezcal. Might add some to my bar and see how the peeps like it.

    QOTD: My Wife and Daughter.

    ~D

  • Big Ben

    Great Episode!
    QOTD #1: No, but I will soon.
    Mott, everyone else may hate me for saying this but smoke ’em while you’ve got ’em (especially with this SCHIP crap).
    QOTD #2: My optimism comes from my hopes that one day my beautiful fiancee and I will be married and have healthy, happy children and that I will be able to be the best father to them that I can.

  • Derek R

    I’ve had mezcal..like 12-13 years ago…i remember a smokey bacon taste WELL.
    Thought it was bad tequila, turns out it was just bad mezcal. Might add some to my bar and see how the peeps like it.

    QOTD: My Wife and Daughter.

    ~D

  • Derek R

    Oh and by the way OG Gary Vee, GREAT job chilling a little and letting the guest complete a thought. I think your interviewing style is getting better and better.
    luego

  • Derek R

    Oh and by the way OG Gary Vee, GREAT job chilling a little and letting the guest complete a thought. I think your interviewing style is getting better and better.
    luego

  • Anonymous

    Was that a QUARK by the liquor bottle?
    QOTD Gary: Yes. (Ironically, I just tried my first this past Sunday. Monte Alban. It had a great nose, but (maybe b/c it did have the worm) I was not a fan of the flavor. I’m a much bigger Tequila fan.)

    Way to go also having never smoked a thing!! Mott, fix that!!
    If you want a smoky beverage (wine!) try the ’06 Goats Do Roam red. Smoked bacon all over the nose/palate.

    QOTD Richard: The fact that I graduate from college & am getting married in the same week of May 2010– I CAN’T WAIT!! I’m very optimistic about my future getting ready for/after both!

  • David T

    Was that a QUARK by the liquor bottle?
    QOTD Gary: Yes. (Ironically, I just tried my first this past Sunday. Monte Alban. It had a great nose, but (maybe b/c it did have the worm) I was not a fan of the flavor. I’m a much bigger Tequila fan.)

    Way to go also having never smoked a thing!! Mott, fix that!!
    If you want a smoky beverage (wine!) try the ’06 Goats Do Roam red. Smoked bacon all over the nose/palate.

    QOTD Richard: The fact that I graduate from college & am getting married in the same week of May 2010– I CAN’T WAIT!! I’m very optimistic about my future getting ready for/after both!

  • Ever had Mezcal? No

    Sense of optimism? I control where I go. If I want to make it, I’m gonna make it.

    Possibly my favorite Wine Library TV so far. What a story behind the spirit. And the use of “Off the hook” really balanced it out. Ha ha…Seriously though, really great stuff and you are totally right. Film the adventure of making this product!

  • neutron212

    gvqotd: yes- dont like like it tastes like a smoked turkey thats been put into a blender.

    Qotd: i get it from my 7mo neice who just makes being alive something new every time i see her. Shes my little sweety

  • Ever had Mezcal? No

    Sense of optimism? I control where I go. If I want to make it, I’m gonna make it.

    Possibly my favorite Wine Library TV so far. What a story behind the spirit. And the use of “Off the hook” really balanced it out. Ha ha…Seriously though, really great stuff and you are totally right. Film the adventure of making this product!

  • neutron212

    gvqotd: yes- dont like like it tastes like a smoked turkey thats been put into a blender.

    Qotd: i get it from my 7mo neice who just makes being alive something new every time i see her. Shes my little sweety

  • manonthemoon

    Great show, Richard was great with the backstory of Mezcal.

    QOTD: Always wanted to but never have.

    QOTD 2: Too much of a realist to have optimism over anything right now.

  • manonthemoon

    Great show, Richard was great with the backstory of Mezcal.

    QOTD: Always wanted to but never have.

    QOTD 2: Too much of a realist to have optimism over anything right now.

  • Mezcal is serious stuff! if you are not careful you may not be able to get up… and the taste.. well it is acquired!

  • Mezcal is serious stuff! if you are not careful you may not be able to get up… and the taste.. well it is acquired!

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